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The main problem i am having is my Amazon accounts keep getting deleted, no review just pure deletion.

What happens is once i make the accounts after a good few weeks near disbursement dates i cannot log in.

I sell a few items (not high risk) and then i cannot log in. This is a big, big issue for me.

Can anyone shed any light on this matter please?? Thank you

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I'm in learning process as well but if you are selling same items + using same city address then it can be a cause.

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You need to breakdown your methods of creation and experiment as to what is working and what isn't.

VCC? CC? Bank? Name?

And yes, you will have to mix up your inventory so you do not look like the same seller that was banned prior.

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It seems to ALWAYS occur as soon as you start selling items.

Prior to that I never sold anything for a good 4-5 weeks, account was fine.

Last few days sold 3 items, account deleted.

And yes I changed my entire inventory so I would not get linked.

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Write up a detailed breakdown of how the account is created. You are getting linked somehow.

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@ jamesnorth101. This is a breakdown of how I am making the accounts:

1: new user account.
2: New IP address. My IP is dynamic so it always changes. I always check before I make the accounts and I can confirm the characters of the ip change quite considerably.
3: I installed Technitium MAC address changer to spoof the NIC.
4: Purchased a new vcc from members on here to bypass the card registration details. This verifies quite easily.
5:new email, phone number and address details.
6: finally if I need to enter new bank details to deposit funds into, I ensure these are new. Not used with Amazon before.

What actually happens is that I make the stealth accounts successfully, without getting linked. I still have 10 running atm.

However as soon as I start selling lets say a few items that's when the account gets deleted. Furthermore The items are not similar to what I was previously selling, and I change the wording/ description in my listing.

The items are also not high risk items that I am selling. On one account I sold a book and mobile phone. After that account was never seen lol.

The thing that baffles me is why does the account never get deleted before I sell. It always occurs when I actually start making sales?

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Is your VCC a long-lasting one? Perhaps you are using a VCC that does NOT stand the test charge that Amazon does randomly. That's a common problem.

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It's probably the IP address.

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Possible browser fingerprinting needs to be looked at too

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Yes rsot is right. I have 3 accounts and I'm using 3 different browsers + ccleaner. Clean cookies with ccleaner every time whenever you switch to other account.

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Vcc is long lasting. 1 year.

As for browser fingerprinting I have looked at that. I don't see why I would have to clean cookies when its a new user account which does that anyway. I ONLY log into a new stealth amazon account with each user account.

The problem as I stated before was when I actually make some sales- that's when it gets deleted. Maybe its when I log into the account, eventually something one way or another is linking me, which they trace.

Or maybe it's got nothing to do with being linked and could just be a random deletion, ie they just don't like the account. Think it could be a risk allowing me to sell.

The question is if I don't sell anything the account will not go under review will it?

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Quite a mystery, but amazon is. But if its when you actually start selling and not when the account is created, then its seems like amazon maybe doing a test charge on the credit card and this is being declined or linked. Maybe use a gift card and see what happens.

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So Amazon actually do test charges on cards.

Has anyone got any proof of this?

It was previously noted on these forums I am quite sure of this. That Amazon cannot suspend or link you based on this solely. I.e a test charge on the credit card being declined

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Nope rsot is wrong. If amazon do employ browser finger printing which they more than likely dont at this moment.A new user account is more than enough to stop this

Yes amazon do do this. There is no "proof" as it is a test charge so you will never see anything on a statement. But it is common practice and I am sure amazon themselves would confirm. If the account was maybe a year old and the card had no funds on it then Id presume that amazon would not delete the account but when it is a new account no funds on the card is a big problem.

I also personally think it is a big no no to open an account and then just leave it a few weeks. If I worked for amazon and was looking for stealth accounts this would also be a huge red flag. there is no solid proof but I have spoken to people in the past who have encountered similar problems from setting up an account and then leaving it too long. They all had success after changing this.

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There is quite a bit of proof (i.e. my own experiences and others) that show that when a credit card Amazon test charge fails, an account can be deleted.

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@ BarryCurran yes I agree with you. I was reading some of your posts and I don't think they can track your MAC address and I think a new user account pretty much covers browser fingerprinting.

I think it could be due to what you are saying about the test charge and no funds especially if its a new account. Also leaving the account for a while.

@ BarryCurran. Can you please give a detailed outline of how you make your accounts and when you sell what you do? It seems as if your very knowledgable and have combatted the stealth accounts successfully.

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@rsot the stealth accounts I made the vcc's were purchased from sellers on here.

You can't purchase a VCC from here whereby the card has funds on it. I don't see the point in purchasing these vcc's then if this is the case

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can you provide the proof. Word of mouth and opinion is not proof.

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If you are specifically purchasing vcc cards for use with amazon from sellers on here, then there should be funds on them. If there are not then let an admin know as the sellers should know better.

However I suspect you are buying a normal vcc which on these forums are intended for paypal normally and do not have enough funds for amazons checks.

Id suggest you buy a 3v voucher or a 3v card is even better if you can find one. Start an account with one of these, sell a few things right from the start but very slowly and as low cost an item as possible. That is essentially how I start every account and I have not lost a stealth one yet.

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Have you asked the seller that these VCC's have funds for amazon checks? I have bought VCC's from one of the forum sellers and I asked him like twice about funds and he confirmed that there is enough funds for amazon checks.
Which seller have you bought them anyway?
Plenty of 3v cards are available on boots but I have never seen them on tesco's. :)

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Few years back I bought some VCCs from sellers for Amazon VCC - those VCCs were miserable and led to account deletion. These days I prefer gift cards with a live balance

3v works well though

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Yes I think you right the cards must have funds on them if they were purchased on here.

I have had a look and these sellers of vcc's are approved sellers with good buyer feedbacks.

Prior to purchasing I let the sellers know that I wanted an Amazon vcc.

So if the test charge is not a problem it must be something else. Thanks for the info on 3v vouchers, I will give this a go.


Hopefully sooner rather then later I hope to crack what is getting the accounts deleted. I am now going to try selling from the right go but very slowly and as low cost an item as possible. As you suggested @ BarryCurran.

However I can confirm that once I made a stealth account and exactly 10 mins after making it it went under review. Still remember that was very strange.

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I have a new amazon stealth account that I made a few months ago.
They charged 4 dollars as a 'test' then credited the funds back.

Read around the forum and you will find many others who have the same type of 'proof'

Please stop going around spreading bad info without reading the forum first.
Just because its never happened to you does not mean that it is not true or has never happened.

OP, its BEST to keep funds on the VCC because amazon is known to do random test charges.

Please read around before you follow barrycruan's advice.

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Really, I mean really?
It is funny that you suggest I should read around, if you had just read the thread you would have seen what I actually wrote.

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In my experience when a credit card is declined the account reverts back to a normal seller account from a pro seller and a big flag appears appears at log in to update your credit card details.

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I completely agree and I did say amazon makes a test charge.

Having funds on your card is one of the very first things you should learn.

Not aimed at you Micky but knowing it is not the same as having proof.

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This was meant to be advice on what is generally the best solution that is getting my accounts deleted.

When barrycurran said "can you provide the proof. Word of mouth and opinion is not proof". He did not mean to offend he was merely stating that sometimes people on these forums have no concrete evidence and just say things for the sake of it.

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Not getting worked up. Just a matter of bad or ill fitting advice getting slung around here as of late.

The fingerprint is an important factor. Weather or not you choose to follow it is naturally up to you. But for one person to say its NOT important when others have had success...well, you get the idea.

And obviously, Amazon is NOT ebay.

The reason why is that there are many members who ask the same question about setting up accounts, someone posts something that may have worked for them, or in the past. Then they come back with the exact same question in a panic when they are hundreds or thousands in the hole for a deleted or suspended account, and they did not follow that ONE step.

Can things change? Sure can and they do everyday, but the fingerprint 'issue' has been going around for some time here on the forum.
Before I even thought about changing the fingerprint of my browsing, I had a SLEW of accounts deleted and tried a LOT of methods prior.

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This was not about fingerprinting. You said I was advising people that amazon dont take a test charge, in the very thread I said they are.




If you would like to discuss why amazon do not employ browser finger printing there are plenty of threads to do this. I have never told anyone to ignore it as you suggest.

I simply say that I ignore it, please note the distinction.

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Come on guys lets try and be civil to one another. I think no one meant to offend anyone. I think it was merely a misunderstanding on both of your behalves. :argue:

Anyway thanks for the help and advice.

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You are right mufc

Sorry about the mud slinging on your thread.

I hope you find the information that you are looking for.

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@ cjmixers no worries, thanks.

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I appreciate the effort but people who make accusations which could easily be resolved with a tiny bit of intelligence need to be told.

Its not a misunderstanding (at least not mine), to not bother reading the whole thread before making a ridiculous statement. People who do, really need to learn this basic step.

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@barrycruan, I understand your points on the matter and you could very well be right. But the way in which people get deleted... well if browser fingerprinting wasn't one of Amazon's linking techniques, then let's just say they may have something much more advanced going on that could be more worrisome than just browser fingerprinting.

In the cases where a stealth account is opened, new IP (terrible linking method anyway), new LLC, EIN, phone number, new city, CC, etc. is all done correctly, but still gets suspended due to linking -if it's not browser fingerprinting- then what unknown do I need to worry about now?

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@n8zzz
Its funny you should say that as there are. This is a direct copy from someone who knows a lot more than me about the subject.. its a bit technical (and long) but it is certainly worth looking at although it is written more for privacy than stea;th.


Amazon utilizes several tracking methods.
* Third-Parties (including devices with Amazon Cloud, music apps, ebook readers, etc.)
* Session Cookies
* Ever-Cookies/DOM (Most important)
* Referrer Tracking
* Click-Handling

I don't think they are tracking browser fingerprints, or if they do it doesn't really affect the site. But it doesn't hurt to use FireGloves just the same.

To stop what oralfloss was saying, you will need to have DOM AND session cookies disabled. This can be achieved with Cookie-Controller addon for aBrowser. Set it to "Force "off" state at start" and "[Off] DOM Storage". Then try browsing Amazon and you'll find their history doesn't work.

Additionally they make heavy use of click-handlers. These are urls which track you when they can't get you from anything else. Luckily we have another addon for that known as "Clean Links". However by default it won't help you. You'll need to make some adjustments that I just wipped up tonight to make it work properly.

1) Under the Clean Link Addon Preferences "Remove From Links" Field where it says (?:ref|aff)\w*, add these unique identifiers (|place|pr|pf_rd_m|pf_rd_s|pf_rd_t|pf_rd_p|pf_rd_i |ld|pf_rd_r).

When your done it should like like this:
(?:ref|aff|place|pr|pf_rd_m|pf_rd_s|pf_rd_t|pf_rd_ p|pf_rd_i|ld|pf_rd_r)\w*|utm_\w+|(?:merchant|progr amme|media)ID
(You can copy+paste the above into the Remove From Links field if in doubt)
*Note: I cannot guarentee all those extra rules won't break other sites, but as of right now it seems OK for me and works nicely on Amazon.com

2) Uncheck Event Delegation Mode

3) Check Use Redirect Watcher

4) Wipe Out Skip Domains, the guy probably got paid off by Google,FaceBook, Linkedin, et all. which are in that whitelist.

5) Highlight Cleaned Links.

6) Go to Amazon (get your sunglasses ready for all those yellow cleaned links!)

Lastly, they track purchase habbits. So as soon as you login and buy they're going to have that data and give you targeted suggestions. Some of which are configurable your account settings but keep getting reset on each login. So have fun with continually setting those privacy settings. Oh and they completely ignore Mozilla's Do-Not-Track Header. ;)

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No offence barry mate you need to take a chill pill.

The arguement ended there

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No offence but the advice given on these forums can make or break a persons business/ change someones life.

I dont take giving that advice lightly and I certainly dont appreciate people who quote me on account losing advice which I have never said. This is not some kind of joke forum, peoples livelihoods are at stake when you give out advice. So Im sure people will understand why this annoyed me and why Im not going to leave it as my misunderstanding. As I said, it wasnt.

Im also not sure why you are still going on about it as I did leave it?

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Ok, all of you enough! Stop arguing, let it go and stick to the thread topic.

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True barrycurran.

Back to the point. So your advice is to sell items from the get go but slowly.

Use a 3v gift card instead.

If i make these changes to what i was not previously doing. Do you think their is a good chance the account will not be deleted??

thanks

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You are forgetting this is still amazon.

From now accounts are going to be deleted as the holidays approach.

You have to ensure you create accounts that will pass.