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SaiJin 01-31-2024 10:07 AM

AI based suspensions
 
If you guys haven't noticed, there's been a lot of suspensions even when you're innocent on Amazon, we found out that it's the retarded AI that's deciding the accounts are "risky".

I hope the humans in amazon start to realize this before they kill themselves and make sellers and buyers go to different platforms to shop.

quantum 01-31-2024 11:53 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
I'm noticing it. It's becoming increasingly difficult to be on here. I'm also noticing a lot less competitors on this platform. Which also makes it more lucrative.

13obby 01-31-2024 12:21 PM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Hey SaiJin, i’ve noticed this on Amazon & eBay this all started towards the middle of last year and ongoing up until now, i was actually going to open a thread related to this here on how AI is going to effect stealth because i can only see that it will get worse and of course these muppets are going to loose money and customers over this if they become solely reliant on AI to make these type of decisions its not looking good for stealth if i must say.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaiJin (Post 1234826)
If you guys haven't noticed, there's been a lot of suspensions even when you're innocent on Amazon, we found out that it's the retarded AI that's deciding the accounts are "risky".

I hope the humans in amazon start to realize this before they kill themselves and make sellers and buyers go to different platforms to shop.


murdered_by_ebay 01-31-2024 12:31 PM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
amazon have been limiting competition for a long time which makes them more and more expensive , AI suspensions is just the latest tool to do this

interestingly they try to fight rising prices with even more limitations , I have heard from several sellers there are price limits now where certain items are not allowed to be listed higher than a specific price

Starship 01-31-2024 06:38 PM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
All my competitors were suspended in 2023 in party supplies except one guy and me

I messaged him and amazon threatened to suspend him 2 times in 2023, it’s party supplies private label and they still made us go through video verification and supplier verification WTF LOL each seller is the brand owner and we are getting molested

agent006140 01-31-2024 07:03 PM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay (Post 1234836)
amazon have been limiting competition for a long time which makes them more and more expensive , AI suspensions is just the latest tool to do this

interestingly they try to fight rising prices with even more limitations , I have heard from several sellers there are price limits now where certain items are not allowed to be listed higher than a specific price

I have a book reasonably priced at $15,but some one listed at $700,so they removed my listing .
Then they removed the one at $700 and I have to add mine back.
Then I have another book at $12 and others listed at 1.99-3.99,so it was removed? Then they closed my account,I asked why,they said it should not be closed,so they re open it?
Fun???

quantum 01-31-2024 10:35 PM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1234852)
I have a book reasonably priced at $15,but some one listed at $700,so they removed my listing .
Then they removed the one at $700 and I have to add mine back.
Then I have another book at $12 and others listed at 1.99-3.99,so it was removed? Then they closed my account,I asked why,they said it should not be closed,so they re open it?
Fun???

so insightful..

DENDEN76 02-01-2024 03:16 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
It's only going to get worse across the whole industry. You have to diversify and learn how to build your own stores and run ads.

rsot 02-01-2024 08:46 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1234852)
I have a book reasonably priced at $15,but some one listed at $700,so they removed my listing .
Then they removed the one at $700 and I have to add mine back.
Then I have another book at $12 and others listed at 1.99-3.99,so it was removed? Then they closed my account,I asked why,they said it should not be closed,so they re open it?
Fun???

sounds like you are being targeted by competition in those book listings

schemazon 02-01-2024 09:15 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Are these accounts you all are referencing fresh, or do they have some time and sales under them?

SaiJin 02-01-2024 10:18 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 13obby (Post 1234834)
Hey SaiJin, i’ve noticed this on Amazon & eBay this all started towards the middle of last year and ongoing up until now, i was actually going to open a thread related to this here on how AI is going to effect stealth because i can only see that it will get worse and of course these muppets are going to loose money and customers over this if they become solely reliant on AI to make these type of decisions its not looking good for stealth if i must say.

Right! AMazon is a great place for business if you know what you're doing, but this AI crap is not just killing sellers and buyers, it's killing the platform too.

eBay is pretty much down the drain, I wonder if Amazon is as stupid as eBay to kill themselves.

With the rise of tiktok shop and Temu, buyers and sellers are starting to move their business there.

SaiJin 02-01-2024 10:20 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Starship (Post 1234849)
All my competitors were suspended in 2023 in party supplies except one guy and me

I messaged him and amazon threatened to suspend him 2 times in 2023, it’s party supplies private label and they still made us go through video verification and supplier verification WTF LOL each seller is the brand owner and we are getting molested


FIrst of all, please add the country flag to your forum account you're residing in.

Back to topic, ALL your competitors? How many are there?

I'm just wondering if limiting competition to limit price increases is really what they are after?
I'd think more competition = less prices.

quantum 02-01-2024 10:58 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DENDEN76 (Post 1234865)
It's only going to get worse across the whole industry. You have to diversify and learn how to build your own stores and run ads.

Agreed on this. Purchasing multiple accounts is starting to get really expensive on my end. And these accounts don't last very long.

Would pay good money on a guide on how to create multiple stealth accounts using LLC tax IDs and bypassing all US inform act requests. Not looking to hunt down friends/family members to use their info.

murdered_by_ebay 02-01-2024 11:09 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1234852)
I have a book reasonably priced at $15,but some one listed at $700,so they removed my listing .
Then they removed the one at $700 and I have to add mine back.
Then I have another book at $12 and others listed at 1.99-3.99,so it was removed? Then they closed my account,I asked why,they said it should not be closed,so they re open it?
Fun???


amazon have become unreliable , they constantly remove titles from catalogue , ban sellers from selling specific titles , limit prices at which other items can be sold. this attitude has made it impossible to buy large quantities of items to sell on amazon specifically as you could be banned from selling the title anytime

Starship 02-01-2024 04:13 PM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Same I only order one months supply now, years ago I would order 6 month supply straight to fba


Quote:

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay (Post 1234899)
amazon have become unreliable , they constantly remove titles from catalogue , ban sellers from selling specific titles , limit prices at which other items can be sold. this attitude has made it impossible to buy large quantities of items to sell on amazon specifically as you could be banned from selling the title anytime


amzrocket 02-01-2024 04:58 PM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
What's the reason for the suspensions?

I've had accounts suspended but there's usually a clearly defined reason behind it, it's almost never just "random"

SaiJin 02-05-2024 10:28 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Are you guys still facing suspensions todate?

amzrocket 02-05-2024 01:39 PM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaiJin (Post 1235185)
Are you guys still facing suspensions todate?

I got 3 suspensions in the past month, but all of them had a reason behind them. They weren't just random suspensions.

aaa7z5 02-05-2024 01:45 PM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Thanks for posting this! Etsy is also doing this as well, lost a rock-solid account back in September, and another one a few months later..

Etsy may be done for my niche. Like you all have noticed, many of my competitors also wiped out. A sad day!!

Automasters 02-05-2024 02:42 PM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Yes, this is the plan across the board sadly - as the human die off continues, ai will be put in charge of all major marketplaces and platforms. It is very unstable and makes errors frequently

aaa7z5 02-06-2024 07:13 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Automasters (Post 1235209)
Yes, this is the plan across the board sadly - as the human die off continues, ai will be put in charge of all major marketplaces and platforms. It is very unstable and makes errors frequently

This. And good luck appealing the bot's decision with the dwindling human resources available to sellers.

Good luck out there, guys.
:pry:

JamesNorth101 02-06-2024 07:18 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Automasters (Post 1235209)
Yes, this is the plan across the board sadly - as the human die off continues, ai will be put in charge of all major marketplaces and platforms. It is very unstable and makes errors frequently

Very very true. I fully agree with this

amzrocket 02-06-2024 10:45 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Automasters (Post 1235209)
Yes, this is the plan across the board sadly - as the human die off continues, ai will be put in charge of all major marketplaces and platforms. It is very unstable and makes errors frequently

It goes both ways. I'd rather deal with a bot than a human. At least once you figure out how to satisfy the bot it generally works consistently going forward, whereas humans can be unpredictable.

quantum 02-06-2024 02:35 PM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
One of my new account went under last month. 2 months old. Decided to use bulk upload for 10 listings. Took me out instantly asking for a utility bill. Avoid using bulk upload on a new account haha.

josh 02-07-2024 01:17 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by quantum (Post 1234894)
Agreed on this. Purchasing multiple accounts is starting to get really expensive on my end. And these accounts don't last very long.

Would pay good money on a guide on how to create multiple stealth accounts using LLC tax IDs and bypassing all US inform act requests. Not looking to hunt down friends/family members to use their info.

if you need any advice regarding us inform consumers act, you can ask. There are some alternatives other than simply using friend/family :clap:

jcdev 02-09-2024 06:30 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amzrocket (Post 1235356)
It goes both ways. I'd rather deal with a bot than a human. At least once you figure out how to satisfy the bot it generally works consistently going forward, whereas humans can be unpredictable.

AI doesn't mean simple IF-THEN rules. These are multilevel self-learning interactions between automatic agents. They can do much more than a human can do and keep track of huge amount of conditions. No Amazon associate gonna question decisions already made for him by the system.

SaiJin 02-09-2024 11:11 AM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jcdev (Post 1235508)
AI doesn't mean simple IF-THEN rules. These are multilevel self-learning interactions between automatic agents. They can do much more than a human can do and keep track of huge amount of conditions. No Amazon associate gonna question decisions already made for him by the system.

Well right now these AI crap is exactly behaving like a little child.

amzrocket 02-09-2024 12:05 PM

Re: AI based suspensions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jcdev (Post 1235508)
AI doesn't mean simple IF-THEN rules. These are multilevel self-learning interactions between automatic agents. They can do much more than a human can do and keep track of huge amount of conditions. No Amazon associate gonna question decisions already made for him by the system.

I'm aware that it's more advanced than a few basic rules, but I'd still rather deal with a program than a human. Once you figure out how to beat a program, you can beat it consistently.

I spend a significant amount of time and money to open every seller account and have not encountered any of the problems that people who try to save money or cut corners constantly encounter (how many posts are there here of people trying to reuse the same computer for multiple accounts?). And I think this is a good thing. If it was cheap and easy to create a bunch of seller accounts, then the marketplace would be flooded with problematic sellers.

For what I do, I do it without causing problems with brand owners, and without making waves, but regularly see problematic sellers who do the same thing, but in a way that pisses off brand owners and gets them to take action. Sometimes I do get unavoidable problems, but I do my best to keep that to a minimum.

Strategies that involve tons of disposable accounts are getting harder and harder to pull off because they're getting better at preventing that now. It's not cheap or easy to consistently create new accounts anymore.


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