My Conclusion on IP's

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by barrycruan

I dont doubt your experiment, but there is just no point in anyone taking the risk. IP address is easy to change for most people and when you are talking about risking your business over it, what is the point.

Well said.

Each of us must decide what will work best for our business needs.

[jeffweico]

Originally Posted by barrycruan

I dont doubt your experiment, but there is just no point in anyone taking the risk. IP address is easy to change for most people and when you are talking about risking your business over it, what is the point.

Here is someone who is going to be VERY SUCCESSFUL with Stealth. EXACTLY the right attitude! Eliminate risks wherever possible.

[Kelly441]

"the data base would be enormous"

Not a hard task for up to date computers

[Junfrared]

Originally Posted by MICKY H

Aspkin, as N8zzz says, log in with a suspended account at an airport, university etc, would amazon ban every account that logs in from that IP. The answer got to me no. Browser finger printing and cookies etc are the main linking of accounts. I am also an amazon vendor in the UK, maybe on my next visit to their offices in Slough London I should log in on there wireless network with a banned account.

Micky, any updates??

[user3657]

Originally Posted by Junfrared

Micky, any updates??

yea, wondering?

Same IP does not mean same person if they use different info/and completely different inventory.

[ovidiu]

It's a quick easy lookup for Amazon to determine that the IP in question is a public wifi AP, and shouldn't automatically mean you are getting banned. A private IP address, however, and they can no longer assume that it's just another address a hundred other people may have used in the last week. But, just like the IRS and their audit score, which results in the dreaded letter once you score too highly, so must Amazon have a scoring system which assigns points based on your logged behavior. IP addresses are just one part of it.

[MICKY H]

Forgot about this old post, but for the doubters after reading all the posts again. Accounts still running sweet. Draw your own conclusions, but I would say IP is a very small part of linking.

[nerecit]

Well honestly if you are familiar with computer science, storing IP addresses don't really take up that much space...

[user3657]

Originally Posted by ovidiu

It's a quick easy lookup for Amazon to determine that the IP in question is a public wifi AP, and shouldn't automatically mean you are getting banned. A private IP address, however, and they can no longer assume that it's just another address a hundred other people may have used in the last week. But, just like the IRS and their audit score, which results in the dreaded letter once you score too highly, so must Amazon have a scoring system which assigns points based on your logged behavior. IP addresses are just one part of it.

Can you provide any docs that explain if there is way to tell if an ip is a public wifi or just dhcp?

[koobar]

Public Ips are run by a company or an organization(can't remember the name) and private Ips run by others. I agree with MICKY H that Ip takes a small part of linking, but it gives Amazon a way to find out linked accounts. When Amazon decide to delete your accounts, you must create too many accounts on a Ip in a short time or those accounts are selling risky items. I ran two accounts in a library(all machines with same Ip) selling different items and they were runing well. One day I registered another 5 accounts in that library and got all accounts deleted.

[dealagreeproceed]

Originally Posted by MICKY H

Forgot about this old post, but for the doubters after reading all the posts again. Accounts still running sweet. Draw your own conclusions, but I would say IP is a very small part of linking.

humph well aint that somethen... makes you wonder...

[agray34]

On my private site that I host, we record EVERY IP for every hit. It is very easy for me to do with our small business and I would imagine even easier for Amazon to do...

I think it is a combination of factors that "flag" the account.

[barrycruan]

Any update Micky? I made a stupid mistake this week and my ip will now be linked. I'm hoping everything is still ok with your accounts ?

[jeffweico]

I don't think that anyone is banning based on IP address alone, but once you trigger the algorithm, then they would start to look for similarities. Many people who use stealth tend to sell the same types of products over many accounts. So, two sellers of DVD's cross up the IP's. Amazon could then go in and look for other similarities. What exactly they would look at, we don't know. They could have a huge list of things to check, everything from what is being sold, to what time of day a user is typically logged on. My guess is a human is involved in making the final decision. Humans can see things that computers cannot.

I would just say for the record that I would certainly prefer to keep all of my accounts as far away from each other as possible. I believe my methods work, because I rarely lose accounts.

It will be interesting to see how IPv6 begins to play into all of this.

[barrycruan]

Yeah same. And I normally do keep them completely separate. But a stupid mistake I made has given amazon the opportunity to link my 2 best accounts.

I guess I'm in the experiment now whether I like it or not.

[123]

Originally Posted by barrycruan

Yeah same. And I normally do keep them completely separate. But a stupid mistake I made has given amazon the opportunity to link my 2 best accounts.

I guess I'm in the experiment now whether I like it or not.

Happens to everyone, just be more careful in the future & hopefully your accounts will be fine!

[sax4]

People are entitled to take any risk they see fit, they know the consequences, op has a lot of accounts so I'm sure he didn't test one of his best ones. Sometimes it's important for people to go against the grain and discover new things, or else we could be stuck wasting our time doing things we perhaps don't need to do(changing MAC)

We are all grown ups here and can make our own decisions and not blame someone if all goes wrong.

For example, some have the impression that logging into Amazon from another country is a death sentence, as a frequent traveller i know this not to be true.

I know people that even create Amz/eb/pp for other countries with their home IP. I wouldn't endorse this, but like many have said, IP is one part of an overall risk assessment

[MICKY H]

Originally Posted by barrycruan

Any update Micky? I made a stupid mistake this week and my ip will now be linked. I'm hoping everything is still ok with your accounts ?

Yes Barry all are still sweet. However they all sell different items.Let me know how you go on, I would imagine you will be fine.

[MICKY H]

Originally Posted by sax4

People are entitled to take any risk they see fit, they know the consequences, op has a lot of accounts so I'm sure he didn't test one of his best ones. Sometimes it's important for people to go against the grain and discover new things, or else we could be stuck wasting our time doing things we perhaps don't need to do(changing MAC)

We are all grown ups here and can make our own decisions and not blame someone if all goes wrong.

For example, some have the impression that logging into Amazon from another country is a death sentence, as a frequent traveller i know this not to be true.

I know people that even create Amz/eb/pp for other countries with their home IP. I wouldn't endorse this, but like many have said, IP is one part of an overall risk assessment

Off course they were not my best accounts, but we have to experiment as you say. They are now pretty well established accounts since my original post however.
I am also a regular traveller and will log onto my USA account wherever I am in the world. However my EU accounts is a different story.

[barrycruan]

So how do you access the eu accounts if you're out of Europe?

[sax4]

Originally Posted by barrycruan

So how do you access the eu accounts if you're out of Europe?

From wherever, log in from Spain for a UK account of whatever. I tried this on a couple of accounts with no problems. Not endorsing it, people can make their own experiments

[MICKY H]

Originally Posted by barrycruan

So how do you access the eu accounts if you're out of Europe?

The EU accounts are run by employees within our offices. I can access if required using VPN.