My Conclusion on IP's

[MICKY H]

Been running 4 accounts, UK,DE,FR and US on same IP from a deleted account now for nearly 3 months. All still running and good metrics. I believe amazon will only store an IP from a suspended/deleted account and not keep a record of every IP that is used to log into amazon, the data base would be enormous, think how many transactions a day they do on sellers and buyers accounts.
If a IP is used from a suspended/deleted account this will raise a warning at amazon and a check will be done, if all details are different, names stock file etc then the account will remain open. Any views

[n8zzz]

Just imagine how we would be able to magically get rid of competition by logging into every public wifi in town, coffee shops, libraries, airports, etc. with our old suspended accounts! We could ban hundreds of sellers in a day if it worked that way

[aspkin]

You're playing with fire..

[n8zzz]

Originally Posted by MICKY H

on same IP from a deleted account now for nearly 3 months.

If it is indeed the exact same IP, like it has been a Static IP and is not changing often over time, then I would have to agree that this could be playing with fire. Let us know how things pan out over the next several months ^^

[Dmshark25]

IP is not the sole cause of account suspension.
however it is a factor .

so why would you re use an IP from a suspended account ?

you are just bringing unwanted attention

[MICKY H]

Dmshark25, this is just an experiment for myself which I am sharing. I have a Static IP at my home and wanted to try this. I have 35 other accounts all running on dongles.

[MICKY H]

Aspkin, as N8zzz says, log in with a suspended account at an airport, university etc, would amazon ban every account that logs in from that IP. The answer got to me no. Browser finger printing and cookies etc are the main linking of accounts. I am also an amazon vendor in the UK, maybe on my next visit to their offices in Slough London I should log in on there wireless network with a banned account.

[Dmshark25]

Awesome, give us an update in couple months I'm curious to see how it goes goodluck

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by aspkin

You're playing with fire..

Just a repeat.

Pay heed to the expert.

[MICKY H]

Who is the expert???

Just an note I have been selling since 2003

[Laritha]

Originally Posted by MICKY H

think how many transactions a day they do on sellers and buyers accounts.

The fact that their system can log EVERY transaction should let you know that logging EVERY IP address is even easier. I wouldnt underestimate them

[danshan]

Same ip means linked does not mean suspended or anything like that but i say it alot closer to hit than not. The big question is why use a dirty ip?

[rsot]

When aspkin speaks about IP issues, you need to listen

That being said...IP is part of a large equation of things that will lead to ban of your account - it is not the sole determinant since Az is fully aware of IPs being used by different people...factor in risky items + behaviour patterns + browser fingerprinting et, voila, you can see how accounts go down quickly.

[n8zzz]

True, I agree with rsot that Amazon probably uses some interesting algorithm to determine your risk factor and the likeliness of being a prior seller.

But I will say that if MickyH can successfully sell on multiple accounts from the same IP as where he/she was banned.. let's say for a year or so without any trouble.. that it could be plausible that Amazon has thrown out the whole linking by IP thing all together. Maybe due to false positives it was getting, etc.

Maybe there will be a few other brave sellers out there willing to give this a shot and report in later on

[GreenBean]

Do the test yourself Be your own brave soul.

[n8zzz]

Originally Posted by GreenBean™

Do the test yourself Be your own brave soul.

lolol, sadly I am just a sheep. A sheep only looking to make more money than the other sheep ^^

Also I feel like I'm not technical enough to know whether or not I busted the system somewhere else. Someone with top notch knowledge of tech and stealth would be much more suited than me. They would be able to localize the testing to get good proper results.

[GreenBean]

Nice try

Baa!

[Johnson1]

Originally Posted by MICKY H

Dmshark25, this is just an experiment for myself which I am sharing. I have a Static IP at my home and wanted to try this. I have 35 other accounts all running on dongles.

I think it is a good thing that people test the systems and report their findings. It's just a shame that sometimes they are met with such negative vibes.

[MICKY H]

Thank you Johnson1, and yes everybody else all accounts running sweet

[rsot]

Originally Posted by n8zzz

lolol, sadly I am just a sheep. A sheep only looking to make more money than the other sheep ^^

Also I feel like I'm not technical enough to know whether or not I busted the system somewhere else. Someone with top notch knowledge of tech and stealth would be much more suited than me. They would be able to localize the testing to get good proper results.

A sheep wont get to find out all the exquisite intricacies of a system that experimenting and being on the front line of testing can bring.... but way to operate safe anyhow

[barrycruan]

I dont doubt your experiment, but there is just no point in anyone taking the risk. IP address is easy to change for most people and when you are talking about risking your business over it, what is the point.

I do think its unlikely that amazon would ban you just on an ip, mainly because IP's are recycled quite often and this would cause obvious problems. There are only a limited number of ip numbers for each provider (limited as in the millions) so id say its almost certain that amazon would not ban you based on IP alone. But from all the evidence Ive seen it would surely create a red flag on amazons algorithm and there is just no point.

On a final note I do feel strongly that people do not need to be concerned about the mac address, but this is different as Its almost certainly not even something they would look at and its a pain in the a$$ for most newbies to get around.

[rsot]

I agree on IP just being part of the large algorithm on linking and deletion