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My Conclusion on IP's
 

Been running 4 accounts, UK,DE,FR and US on same IP from a deleted account now for nearly 3 months. All still running and good metrics. I believe amazon will only store an IP from a suspended/deleted account and not keep a record of every IP that is used to log into amazon, the data base would be enormous, think how many transactions a day they do on sellers and buyers accounts.
If a IP is used from a suspended/deleted account this will raise a warning at amazon and a check will be done, if all details are different, names stock file etc then the account will remain open. Any views

Just imagine how we would be able to magically get rid of competition by logging into every public wifi in town, coffee shops, libraries, airports, etc. with our old suspended accounts! We could ban hundreds of sellers in a day if it worked that way :ranger:

You're playing with fire..

If it is indeed the exact same IP, like it has been a static IP and is not changing often over time, then I would have to agree that this could be playing with fire. Let us know how things pan out over the next several months ^^

IP is not the sole cause of account suspension.
however it is a factor .

so why would you re use an IP from a suspended account ?

you are just bringing unwanted attention

Dmshark25, this is just an experiment for myself which I am sharing. I have a static ip at my home and wanted to try this. I have 35 other accounts all running on dongles.

Aspkin, as N8zzz says, log in with a suspended account at an airport, university etc, would amazon ban every account that logs in from that IP. The answer got to me no. Browser finger printing and cookies etc are the main linking of accounts. I am also an amazon vendor in the UK, maybe on my next visit to their offices in Slough London I should log in on there wireless network with a banned account.

Awesome, give us an update in couple months I'm curious to see how it goes goodluck

Just a repeat.

Pay heed to the expert.


=}-

Who is the expert???

Just an note I have been selling since 2003

The fact that their system can log EVERY transaction should let you know that logging EVERY IP address is even easier. I wouldnt underestimate them

Same ip means linked does not mean suspended or anything like that but i say it alot closer to hit than not. The big question is why use a dirty ip?

When aspkin speaks about IP issues, you need to listen :)

That being said...IP is part of a large equation of things that will lead to ban of your account - it is not the sole determinant since Az is fully aware of IPs being used by different people...factor in risky items + behaviour patterns + browser fingerprinting et, voila, you can see how accounts go down quickly.

True, I agree with rsot that Amazon probably uses some interesting algorithm to determine your risk factor and the likeliness of being a prior seller.

But I will say that if MickyH can successfully sell on multiple accounts from the same IP as where he/she was banned.. let's say for a year or so without any trouble.. that it could be plausible that Amazon has thrown out the whole linking by IP thing all together. Maybe due to false positives it was getting, etc.

Maybe there will be a few other brave sellers out there willing to give this a shot and report in later on :thumb:

Do the test yourself Be your own brave soul.

:rolleyes:

lolol, sadly I am just a sheep. A sheep only looking to make more money than the other sheep ^^

Also I feel like I'm not technical enough to know whether or not I busted the system somewhere else. Someone with top notch knowledge of tech and stealth would be much more suited than me. They would be able to localize the testing to get good proper results.

Nice try

Baa!

;)

I think it is a good thing that people test the systems and report their findings. It's just a shame that sometimes they are met with such negative vibes.

Thank you Johnson1, and yes everybody else all accounts running sweet

A sheep wont get to find out all the exquisite intricacies of a system that experimenting and being on the front line of testing can bring.... but way to operate safe anyhow

I dont doubt your experiment, but there is just no point in anyone taking the risk. IP address is easy to change for most people and when you are talking about risking your business over it, what is the point.

I do think its unlikely that amazon would ban you just on an ip, mainly because IP's are recycled quite often and this would cause obvious problems. There are only a limited number of ip numbers for each provider (limited as in the millions) so id say its almost certain that amazon would not ban you based on IP alone. But from all the evidence Ive seen it would surely create a red flag on amazons algorithm and there is just no point.

On a final note I do feel strongly that people do not need to be concerned about the mac address, but this is different as Its almost certainly not even something they would look at and its a pain in the a$$ for most newbies to get around.

I agree on IP just being part of the large algorithm on linking and deletion

Well said.

Each of us must decide what will work best for our business needs.

:mod:

Here is someone who is going to be VERY SUCCESSFUL with Stealth. EXACTLY the right attitude! Eliminate risks wherever possible.

:thumb:

"the data base would be enormous"

Not a hard task for up to date computers

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Micky, any updates??

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yea, wondering?

Same IP does not mean same person if they use different info/and completely different inventory.

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It's a quick easy lookup for Amazon to determine that the IP in question is a public wifi AP, and shouldn't automatically mean you are getting banned. A private IP address, however, and they can no longer assume that it's just another address a hundred other people may have used in the last week. But, just like the IRS and their audit score, which results in the dreaded letter once you score too highly, so must Amazon have a scoring system which assigns points based on your logged behavior. IP addresses are just one part of it.

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Forgot about this old post, but for the doubters after reading all the posts again. Accounts still running sweet. Draw your own conclusions, but I would say IP is a very small part of linking.

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Well honestly if you are familiar with computer science, storing IP addresses don't really take up that much space...

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Can you provide any docs that explain if there is way to tell if an ip is a public wifi or just dhcp?

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Public Ips are run by a company or an organization(can't remember the name) and private Ips run by others. I agree with MICKY H that Ip takes a small part of linking, but it gives Amazon a way to find out linked accounts. When Amazon decide to delete your accounts, you must create too many accounts on a Ip in a short time or those accounts are selling risky items. I ran two accounts in a library(all machines with same Ip) selling different items and they were runing well. One day I registered another 5 accounts in that library and got all accounts deleted.

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humph :clap:well aint that somethen... makes you wonder...

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On my private site that I host, we record EVERY IP for every hit. It is very easy for me to do with our small business and I would imagine even easier for Amazon to do...

I think it is a combination of factors that "flag" the account.

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Any update Micky? I made a stupid mistake this week and my ip will now be linked. I'm hoping everything is still ok with your accounts ?

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I don't think that anyone is banning based on IP address alone, but once you trigger the algorithm, then they would start to look for similarities. Many people who use stealth tend to sell the same types of products over many accounts. So, two sellers of DVD's cross up the IP's. Amazon could then go in and look for other similarities. What exactly they would look at, we don't know. They could have a huge list of things to check, everything from what is being sold, to what time of day a user is typically logged on. My guess is a human is involved in making the final decision. Humans can see things that computers cannot.

I would just say for the record that I would certainly prefer to keep all of my accounts as far away from each other as possible. I believe my methods work, because I rarely lose accounts.

It will be interesting to see how IPv6 begins to play into all of this.

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Yeah same. And I normally do keep them completely separate. But a stupid mistake I made has given amazon the opportunity to link my 2 best accounts.

I guess I'm in the experiment now whether I like it or not.

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Happens to everyone, just be more careful in the future & hopefully your accounts will be fine!

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People are entitled to take any risk they see fit, they know the consequences, op has a lot of accounts so I'm sure he didn't test one of his best ones. Sometimes it's important for people to go against the grain and discover new things, or else we could be stuck wasting our time doing things we perhaps don't need to do(changing MAC)

We are all grown ups here and can make our own decisions and not blame someone if all goes wrong.

For example, some have the impression that logging into Amazon from another country is a death sentence, as a frequent traveller i know this not to be true.

I know people that even create Amz/eb/pp for other countries with their home IP. I wouldn't endorse this, but like many have said, IP is one part of an overall risk assessment

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Yes Barry all are still sweet. However they all sell different items.Let me know how you go on, I would imagine you will be fine.