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Default Re: Is traveling to China a must?

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You need your visa. It takes a few months. Americans travel all over the entire country. We have friends who live there months of the year. We have friends who have gone for vacations(no idea why) They said they loved it but will NEVER go again LOL

It is super loud. Never quiet. People everywhere. Rude people. Gross people. People literally **** and piss in the streets. Restrooms are an open ditch behind a wall in much of the country. Basically too many people.

You cant eat vegetables, you cant have water or ice cubes etc...You must be very careful if not stomach pains and diarrhea are your fate.

My friends who only travel there for business absolutely hate going. They say it is horrible unless you are into nude massages and cheap/free hookers.

My big turnoff now is that we cant eat the street foods or have fish head soup because of the water quality.

No offense to our Chinese members or my Chinese friends. It is just very different from the USA and a culture shock to most of us.
Well as a Chinese from China, I wouldn’t agree to all of what you said above. You have to come here and see with your own eyes. Like any country in the world, there are good places and bad places; big cities and backward countryside; There are honest people and dishonest people. There are five stars and also the slums. Generally, in big cities, it is clean, prosperous, and very convenient for foreigners. Many people speak English in the city. But in the countryside or industrial area, many places are underdeveloped. But most factories who have international business would hire English speaking staff for exporting. And most people here are very friendly to foreigners.
Someone may have had bad experiences in China. You may have chances dealing with some scams, cheaters, and dishonest people here that’s why you must keep your eyes open and use you judgments. In some streets and some markets where foreigners (mostly tourists) tend to go, there are some people there wait to “chat up” foreigners in influent English to get deals. They are mostly not honest, and “not normal” or to say shameless, in Chinese’s eyes. Normal Chinese would not do that and wouldn’t deal with them. They are there specially to wait for foreigners. You just need to ignore any one who approaches you for “great deal” in the streets or markets. And be alert what money you should pay what you should not.

Not sure if soneone has seen people **** or piss in the street. Maybe some indecent parents allow their children to do that and they got critisized in news immediately. I belive some taxi drivers piss against walls or bushfences. it was reported manytimes road cycling racers did this too -.
Speaking of dirty places/cheap nude massages and prostitutes, those are normally hidden in corners of the cities (like north Korea our city managements like to hide the indecent things) and places normal people wouldn’t go. Illegal massage or prostitution business mostly only for people who approach for those. We know those exists a lot in China, but most people, or normal people don’t look for them or just ignore them. There have been Chinese factory owners / businessmen who like to take customers to have entertainments in brothels (many years ago), but that’s only for some kind of person. For example some factories got business mostly from customers who like those kind of entertainments, so they become friends and business partners based on their hobbies. It all depends on the person. From 1990s to 2010, there were flourishing illegal prostitution business in the five stars in many industrial towns. Then they were crackdown in 2010. So the five star massage centers, hotels and restaurants in industrial area have been declined together with the crackdowns and the declines of China manufacturing. Street hookers for low-income workers are also gone as well.
It is true too many people here. In holiday you cannot walk through some streets or sceneries. Open water is polluted, vegetable are from commercial greenhouse and use too much poison. Ice may be unclean. Eat and drink in proper decent shops could be safer, though not 100% assured. It is just like KFC and Mcdonald or Berger shops, you can never be sure if some staff would take a bath in the soup pot. Here is China many expensive restaurents were reported to have done the same, wash mops in pot or use rotten fish to make expensive dishes etc. you could never know what happened in the kitchen. But you can just choose a place you feel safer since there are so many to choose from. Restaurants are everywhere, from five stars to streetside shops for different choices, there are very expensive ones and very cheap ones. In some scenery area for tourists you may get deceived, but most places Chinese people like to go are safe enough.
Traffic is very convenient if you know how. For example get taxi in the entries of hotels, restaurants or stations.
Always buy and get things from formal and proper shops/companies/business. You will have less trouble.
Toilets here are all in bad situation unless it is in the big cities and in well established stores/buildings.

Many foreigners come to China and feel frustrated or annoyed, but other people feel happy and want to come again. From what I heard, most businessmen come to China expected too much for “cheap price, good quality and smooth deal” and get disapointed, but could be surprised “many places in China look better than NewYork”. China is developing fast in economic level. The problem in outsourcing in China has been “the business cooperation is not as smooth as expected” and there are many reasons for that. But the “made in China” quality is quite reasonable now for mature technology in many industries. Of cause the production prices are also higher now.
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Default Re: Is traveling to China a must?

You do not have to come to China if you are not buying in big quantity,or not in a difficult project/products development. But it is good to have a look how things work here in the factories. You just need to be well prepared before coming here--establish contacts with several suppliers, get prices and quality, plan the travel itanerary etc.
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Default Re: Is traveling to China a must?

you need to know something who will show you evertying otherwise there is no point to travel
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Default Re: Is traveling to China a must?

go to alibaba to order a few items and slow increase the quantity from different suppliers,you will know which one is good for you. After you can come to china to meet them to discuss more,this way may works more useful
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Nowadays china is a hub of products, everyone should visit china and see their industries and manner how they work. You will learn from it.
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Default Re: Is traveling to China a must?

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Is finding a good manufacturer ,who would make your product exactly as you want it to be made, possible without traveling to China?



Anyone here with such experiences?

I am in China now, maybe i can hlep you.
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Default Re: Is traveling to China a must?

It's not necessary to visit China if you are importing products from there. Internet makes it easier for Big Sellers with plattforms like Alibaba, AliExpress etc.
But once you reached a high Level of Selling, you might want to reduce your costs to get more out of your earnings. Then a business Trip to China would make more sense. You could visit different manufactures, discuss better deals, have a better feeling of what you do and many more.
Just make sure to check you have all the entry requirements.
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Default Re: Is traveling to China a must?

Nope, I've been a couple of times and couldn't find any magical cheap suppliers and I was with a Chinese guy.

Everyone talks about going direct to the manufacturer but wholesalers are a lot cheaper in my niche unless you're going to spend $500k+ on 1 product.
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Nope, I've been a couple of times and couldn't find any magical cheap suppliers and I was with a Chinese guy.

Everyone talks about going direct to the manufacturer but wholesalers are a lot cheaper in my niche unless you're going to spend $500k+ on 1 product.
It might be niche-related of course and also HOW Much you are planing to spend.
Of course for $500k+ spending, you will better go to visit your suppliers/manufacturers.
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It might be niche-related of course and also HOW Much you are planing to spend.
Of course for $500k+ spending, you will better go to visit your suppliers/manufacturers.
Yeah but I doubt anyone in the UK buys $500k of one product in my niche. Easier for manufacturers to sell to distributors/wholesalers, they don't need a foreign language sales team then.

Tends to work like this in my niche, Manufacturer price:

$10k order= $22 per unit
$50k order= $21 per unit
$100k order= $20 per unit
$250k order= $19 per unit
$500k order= $18 per unit

Chinese wholesalers then buy the $500k and sell at less than 5% mark up for big orders. Even a $1k order they'd sell at 10% mark up so I'd still be paying less than $20 per unit.
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Yes, in my opinion. I have traveled two times there. Beautiful locations and very generous people. Only problem is language. Not so many Chinese know English. That's a big problem.
Sometime I had to use google translate to the locals... ha ha....But so many things to remember.

Places you must see
The Forbidden City in Beijing
The Great Wall of China
The Li River in Guilin
The Yellow Mountains near Shanghai
West Lake in Hangzhou

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nice trip NightLightS
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rsot had a terrible trip to Mainland China.

The hamsters had to be surrendered at the Border.


It was so so very sad.

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Default Re: Is traveling to China a must?

Many HK businesses have factories in China,there are also jobbers who hang around the factories and with their cell phones,they know who is disposing remnants,overruns,slightly imperfect goods.
The prices would be in Chinese dollars and much cheaper than what the factory would quote a Gwei Lo (which stands for foreign devil ) which means YOU
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China is not the only country which makes things,other countries do too,in case you need to be reminded.
Argentina has beautiful leather goods,
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rsot had a terrible trip to Mainland China.

The hamsters had to be surrendered at the Border.


It was so so very sad.

I laugh everytime I read this. I love how this guy is always on rsot's ass
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I'm not bitter at all. I have not needed to poke at you in years. You stopped posting rubbish on 100% of the threads. I know it must have been very hard for you, nearly impossible, Like agents addiction here. I applaud you for that
If you have not needed to poke at me in years, why start now?

I have worked on reining it in and I did acknowledge crap postings.
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If you have not needed to poke at me in years, why start now?

I have worked on reining it in and I did acknowledge crap postings.
Ok, I deleted the post. If you delete your reply, It will never be seen.
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Ok, I deleted the post. If you delete your reply, It will never be seen.
Sounds good for the clarification. Done as well.
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