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so has anyone thought of suing EBay?
 

Can we sue EBAY?

I was thrown off for VERO twice. This second suspension is indefinite. I complained about all of the other identical listings. They didn't remove them, they are still on, but I am thrown off. Anyone think I have any grounds for suing?

How can I get back on?

Thanks for your help.

buy the stealth book and it will have everything to get you back on

Daktari!!!! I can hear the theme song in my head thank you....boy Modee we are really showing our age aren't we? Maybe we should start a classic TV thread???? Sadly we would be the only 2 people posting....remember the cross eyed lion????

lol - vero got me but i pointed out the other sellers that were doing worse than me - it was so obvious that they were the ones who were violating but we already know the result of that - they are still there selling strong - now that i dont get:confused:

I've been banned for: VERO, Feedback manipulation and Shill bidding in my life time of using eBay :)

Call up eBay - Get reviewed!
 

I was unmolested for 2 years, until they pulled the high-risk acivity on me.
It's true My eBay and Paypal info had some inconsistencies if you looked closely. But noone bothered to look for 2 years.
The most important thing is I recongnoze it was my fault that I triggered a review. and a review now always seems to mean a review of both your eBay and paypal acounts

I got careless.
I started getting blunt with eBay staff on the phone for outages in their system (like invoices that would not combine all items bought) , calling it "failure to perform" on the part of eBay, and asking for a refund on store fees as compensation.
All in all I think I called eBay support 10 times during the 2 years. and most of those times I got frustrated in some way.
I now realize each of these events caused the staffer to add a flag to my account.
I do remember reading some good advice initially
"never contact eBay for any reason and do not rock the boat - it invites scrutiny"
But I got careless and to confident
I eagerly filled out a total of 4 surveys , 2 for paypal, 2 for eaby, dishing out low grades, and and giving them some negative remarks in the comment fields ( like "Paypal should be subjected to same regulations as banks" or "Paypal should not be a mediator , just a carrier of funds") , stuff like that.
Never realized there was really no annonimity built into those surveys.
If they know from their statistics that 10% of members cause 90% of trouble, and 10% of members tend to be cynical about their service, and that the first 10% is likely to be the same people as the second 10%, than they certainly got it right.

I should have known better.

Hope you can learn from this and not repeat it.

It's like yelling at the people who prepare your food at a restaurant.

I just don't do it. :)

scared of the saliva, huh, Aspkin....:FF:

Been on for 6 months - no problems!! Thanks to ASPKIN!!
 

If you follow the STEALTH book and ASPKINS recommendations you will succeed! I have been on now for 6 months....no problems. Am now up to a silver powerseller doing $3800 a month plus!

Sending you much thanks Aspkin! You deserve lots:twisted:!

Thanks buddy. :)

I got suspened a few days ago....A few Negatives on the row due to Postal delays (am located in Europe) and my seller rating gone done really fast. They gave me 30 days to fix my seller rating but wasnt enough, I refunded all my recent buyers asking only for good feedback and good seller rating....many got the stuff and their money back...but I really didnt care , I wanted my account back and in good standing....Ebay finally suspended me. I have tried to contact them but as usually received a canned reply that my suspension is indefinate....
Does anyone has any idea what happens in these cases? Should i ait 2-3 months and try to contact them again (apeal)? Maybe the overall seller rating would improve a bit with the pass of a few months....Negatives would go back....
I am just thinking of my options .... any help or ideas would be highly appreciated.
I have another 2-3 dormant accounts....2 of them US based and another in europe....all of them unspoiled....but for us based in Europe creating a new US Bank account (in order to start selling) is a real pain.....

Don't Feel Bad Sick-Bay. I had sort of the same thing where I thought I was invincible on ebay since 1998. When they changed their policies, they just axed me. They have a record of everything. Now I keep to myself, take what comes in stride, and dont rock the boat. The less record you have the better.

Sorry to hear that. At least with a feedback kind of suspension you know exactly what you did wrong and how to fix it. It's not like "high risk behaviour" where they essentially don't trust you, and it is nearly impossible to rebuild that trust.


The Bank of Greece has branches in the US.
WHy don't you ask them if you could open a acct in Greece and have it kept at a branch in the US?
I know my greek frinds in the US often deposit money in a Greek bank which keeps the funds in Greece and does not report to the IRS

Actually I don't feel bad. I feel enlightened.
Having been around the block a few times, I already had other ready accounts to take over the work. I'ts been over 6 months now. I would not have writen about it at the time it happened, not in a forum monitored by the ennemy.

But identifying what you did wrong, and identifying yourself as the culprit is certainly a very productive learning experience. Blaming fault on others or on "circumstances" is a sad state of affairs, since it concludes that you have no control (which you always do), and that there is nothing for you to improve (which there always is).

WE are very wise Sick-Bay. :)

Hello to everyone!!!
 

Actually I don't feel bad. I feel enlightened.
Having been around the block a few times, I already had other ready accounts to take over the work. I'ts been over 6 months now. I would not have writen about it at the time it happened, not in a forum monitored by the ennemy.

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Hi everyone,

I am new to this forum, bought the e-book two days ago and been searching and reading the forum since then. I am feeling overwhelmed and little confused by all the info out there right now, at the mean time I am also glad that I found this forum because i can sense hopes for the first time after hitting that rock bottom. I am absolutely impressed that so many members of this forum are very helpful by taking the time to answer others' needs and to share their own stories and experiences. I am thankful for the people whom build this forum and can't wait to get my feet back on "coldbay" again. :)

By the way, sick-bay, I don't quite get what you mean 'a forum monitored by the ennemy'? any clue??

^^^^^^^^^^
'a forum monitored by the enemy'
MANY things are not discussed in the "Open Forum" because it is a well know fact that eBay & Paypal "surf" this site in order to figure out ways to plug the holes in the system that we find.

Help me understand this:

what prevents a ebay/paypal spy from getting a paid subscription to the forum.?

I will leave that answer up to the site owner, Aspkin

If you found the forum, so can ebay and paypal people.

The wonders of SEO.. :)

Yea, we can spot some of those spies too..so, we ain't stupid either..lol. It will be constant "cat and mouse" game between them and us. We come up with a solution to problem - they find a way to block us again - but than we come up with yet another solution. Good thing Ebay/PP don't "rule" over the rest of the world and they too must comply with the law, rules and regulations. There are plenty of new business out there that will do quite well just catering to NARUs kicked from Ebay. Ebay has been shooting itself in the foot for some time now, and it shows.:attention:

have 2 that have been up or 8 months. A lot suspended for stupidity. Recently, it's been PayPal being the problem.

Paypal for "unusual or high-risk activity"

(i.e. "you're making too much money too fast and we don't like it!")

Its a SERIOUSLY messed up system..Unless your selling ⊗⊗⊗⊗ merchandise I dont see how they would have a problem with YOU making THEM money...

100% feedback , excellent dsrs, tracking #'s on all orders and thats unusall activity....I thought I was being the PERFECT customer.I gues they would rather me not ship the items out.:lol:


In my opion i think that whole "unusall activity" is just a way to weed out the small time work-at-home sellers..

Thats where i find the confusion of ebay.. How does one get the opportunity to become a big time seller if they are labeled as "abusers of ebay"??? lol

everyone has to start somewhere... so does this mean that only well-known companies will be able to sell off their merchandise??

this reminds me of the segment on the discovery channel wit the buffalos trying to cross the river and the crocs were just waiting for those poor prey

I escaped that vero member that got me suspended temporarily. Now a proud stealth account holder since August 06 :)

Yea I still don't understand Paypal. They will limit you with perfect feedback, no disputes, shipping records, etc. for no reason and don't tell you what u did wrong. You were even making the company MONEY, paying the ebay and paypal fees that are already ridiculously high anyway.

It is for you own saftey !!!


Lol lol lol :d

I havent been suspended yet touch wood
but I was also not so active until resentlyhttp://www.freenowf.info/image/d8ab1...8261b5e1a2.gif

I keep trying
 

I lost a 5 year old Power Seller account that did thousands of dollars worth of business a month and paid about $1500.00 in eBay fees per month. I followed every rule to the letter. I only sold authentic merchandise and I shipped right away. I had a good feedback rating too. Then, out of the blue I was suspended indefinitely for Abusing eBay. After tons of emails and phone calls I realized that I would never find out what I did to get suspended because .... THERE WAS NO REASON! I think the the member on this thread who suggested that eBay was weeding out the mid-level, at home Seller's is on to something. I was sure that eBay made a mistake when they suspended me and would figure that out. Wrong. That was almost a year ago and I recently applied to be re-instated and was turned down cold. Since then I have had about 40 Stealth accounts suspended for being linked to this one original account. I think that they are flagging me because I still sell the same items - even though there are a lot of other Seller's too. These items are on their HOT LIST and there are tons of counterfeits - but never mine. I recently took a month off to re-read the Stealth book and set up about 20 new accounts with extra care to not be linked. I have only bought off them so far - but I am slowly setting up Seller accounts and I will be selling again soon. I will not sell any of my old inventory at first anyway, just stupid stuff from around my house. Eventually I will slowly add my HOT ITEM merchandise because I have a ton of it and I need to sell it. I currently have over $10,000.00 in merchandise that I cannot list without risking being linked.
As for the original question on this thread - I have not had an account last for more than 3 months so far. About 25% of the time it is PAYPAL that is shutting me down by asking for a SS#. Actually, that seems like the biggest roadblock for Stealth accounts. I don't understand how some of the members of this forum (and this thread) are doing as much business as they claim without providing PAYPAL with a copy of their Driver's License, SS card, bank statement, utility bill and yes, even their Passport. I cannot imagine PAYPAL allowing an account to process that much money without getting all that information. With a Stealth account - how do you do that? Can one of you forum members doing a lot of business on eBay by going Stealth tell me how you got around PAYPAL? I have been restricted because I had a $250.00 payment made over a weekend. There is no way I could pass thousands of dollars through a PAYPAL account set up to go with a Stealth account. Once they restrict you and ask for your SS# - your toast. I would love to know how you successful members are getting paid. eBay requires PAYPAL. There seems to be no way around this. How are you doing it?

i don't think your getting flagged for selling the same item
you must not be doing something right when making the stealth accounts

Selling the same stuff
 

I am pretty sure that selling the same items are what flagging me. Either they were watching me already or these listings made them examine my accounts and see other connections. The last batch of accounts that were suspended happened within minutes of me listing several of my primary items that are also HIGH RISK because they are counterfeited a lot. I have never been accused of selling ⊗⊗⊗⊗ but it doesn't seem to matter. I am really pretty sure that I need to take a break selling my two major items. I think that this puts me under closer scrutiny. They see the listings, then they see that they are from an account in the same metro area, and bamm - I get all my accounts suspended. I am not missing any steps here. I have read THE BOOK several times and I know what to do. Actually it was Aspkin who suggested that they were linking me this way. They have sophisticated ways to link accounts that are similar to systems used by the CIA. I am making some changes with my newest batch of accounts but I won't be surprised if I get linked again. I am taking a break from selling my current inventory for a while to see what that does. Eventually I will have to try it again because I have a lot to sell. If you read THE BOOK you will see the list of things that link accounts and listing similar items is on the list. I am not being paranoid. I just know that the reason my last set of accounts were shot down was because I listed a few of my primary product. The timing was exact. I listed them on several accounts and they were all suspended at once plus a few others that had other listings on them. What this means is that you can't be too careful.

3 days old on a new account....
I originally had a silver powerseller account selling 100% legit stuff with receipts etc. I got suspended for trademark violation for 7 days for the first warning because I had items queued up so after they removed the first 3 active listings the scheduled ones went up and they decided that after the notice I kept listing the item. Don't they own their Fkin system that they don't see I did not log in I did not see I did not list it was scheduled from like a day ago?? Anyway faxed all papers, got suspension lifted, fought a war with the vero items got reinstated vero said sorry. Me happy kept selling the stuff now a month later they suspend me forever same item same vero. I plea and cry and promise and ask and demand no one gives a sh*t no one has a reason I pointed out that I resolved the same issue with the same vero a month ago no one listens.
Cut my losses get myself together opened new bank account etc crawl back started out easy getting back to sales. different item (still legit) gets removed again. emailing vero 15 times finally answer listings got reinstated about 70 positive feedback not even horribly big but around $300-$500 gross a day on the account now paypal kills the whole thing. then again: I plea and cry and promise and ask and demand no one gives a sh*t no one has a reason I pointed out that I resolved the same issue with the same vero a month ago no one listens. I explain I appeal I call and call again...
Well no more Mr. Nice Guy.. F 'em all.
they treated me like a criminal when I had 100% feedback I held every buyers hand, shipped everything via paypal multiorder within 24 hrs. Right away refunds when the buyer coughed up the tiniest complains. I didn't even wait for the items to come back being afraid of negative feedback. Not a dispute ever. Well then they don't want me? Fine. Then they can deal with my 20 ipchanging-no-cookie-nossn-alter-egos. Now I won't give a s*, order the stuff from china which I ordered from a legit wholesaler and had to compete with the prices like $50 below me every day because other sellers dare to buy from china. Not to mention I have like $6-7000 worth of merch laying around here now... I can do this too. But how is this in their interest? No idea.
At least I feel 10lbs lighter now...

wow since 06 huh? Ddang... mine lasts for 1 year about.
Meh, on to the next one. They need to catch the real scammers... not ppl who just wanna be left a lone and who tries to do everything right

unmolested - no!
over 12 months yes - multiple accounts - only because I joined this forum

I am still going strong on an account that I made up when I first got suspended 2 years ago. It is a legit account - all the info. And I still sell what I did before. I got suspended for the non performing crap - took the summer off. The accounts that went down are mostly because of Paypal being limited and wanting my ssn. But, I figured out the trick with that one. My last account that went down was because the fees got out of control and I couldn't pay them. I have 2-4 accounts that I sell with. And I sell vero on those.

Just got my one year in on my 1st Stealth Account. In a few more weeks my 2nd Stealth Account will also hit a year.

Thanks go to Aspkin, GreenBean and every member of this Forum!

My only accounts which are unmolested are those which have been dormant since before 2008 (completely unused) - some of those were ding'd - 'splain me that...

However, my active accounts which get molested have survived. Molested and Banned are two different things.

I have not permanently lost an account EVER. Techniques learned here and by other means have allowed me to correct any problem that has arisen.