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Ever since the new year...has anyone gone 2 months WITHOUT being limited? I mean all my accounts get limited within 30-60 days. Thank God I know how to recover every one of them and make em stronger...but STILL!!!

no one touches me lol :focus: seems like vero gets you kicked off faster, do the right thing everyone, just do the right thing :pout:

Yeah, depends what you sell. For me, i have 1 account that's about 7 or 7 months old.It just hit PS which is a red flag. But, i changed his product lineup to something that works better/safer ;)

we all complain about feebay/ppal but what do we do?
 

just been reading this thread for a laugh!

i really feel for all these peeps on here who've been shutdown for no reason, just as i was myself!

and we all scream and shout till we're all black n blue in the face, but does it affect feebay or ppal? No!

and ok, we all push for everyone to buy the stealth book and get back onto feebay again, but, with all due respect to aspkin and all the extremely ahrd work that has been put into the stealth book etc....that is not the way to do it!

by constantly devising ways to bypass ebay radars etc, we are just running around in the same old vicious circles as before, getting banned, up n running again with a new account, banned again, up again, down again, blah, blah, blah...ad infinitum...

surely the way forward is to destroy the monster that is feebay/ppal, and i mean absolutely decimate them with claims, and then maybe, just maybe, we might all be able to start all over again, making decent money for our kids and families, without all the fuss and threats which we ahve to live under nowadays if we are still trading with them.

no offence meant to anybody on here, just my humble opinion.

if "the enemy" surf this site, then....
 

just wondering about that comment...

if the enemy are surfing this site for clues on how to plug the gaps, then we ahvent really won at all, have we?
by "we" i mean us feebay/ppal users.

if they are really monitoring this site and maybe others like it, then one day, isnt it possible that 99.9% of the loopholes existing now will eventually be closed up?

and then what do we do?

see what i mean by my previous post, about constantly devisng ways to beat the enemy?

one day, and possibly by reading the clues on this forum, they will ahve plugged all the holes!

and then what?

no--IMHO the way forward is to destroy them duo forever. then maybe one of the existing competitors, or a brand new one, can come forward as a worthy successor to feebay.

this seems to be a cat n mouse game to me, where the cat is getting increasingly clever, and the mouses (or meeces!) are getting more stupid by the day...

Sell on ebay only when you have to
 

You all are making good points but the point is WE ARE HURTING EBAY AND PAYPAL. I have listed over $2,000 worth of items on Amazon and other sites this week. On Ebay I have listed only 2 items. So, YES WE ARE HURTING THEM because they are not making much money off of us. We are focusing on more long term solutions like building Amazon, Bonanza, Ecrater, Etsy, local flea markets, consignment stores, Your local newspaper free ad section and other sites and our own websites so we can make money in peace. Ebay and paypal has screwed all of us here and yes we are screwing them back in many ways. I make new ebay accounts and paypal accounts and only use them when I need to use them which is very little. They feel the pain and they will feel more pain. Everytime they stole money from me I did what I had to do to get it back from them. Ebay/paypal is evil and you dont play fair with them you have to take from them what they take from you and then some. Sound off people! Go make money! Ebay/Paypal can kiss my rump.

i agree where ur coming from, dude!

what i meant was that fine, we're making up all these stealth accounts and making decent money, which is good. but why bother with feebay/ppal at all?

why dont we all just get together, and raise such a ruckus, in the media, etc and dump so many claims onto both the companies, that they just collapse under the sheer strain of it all, never to be seen again.

once that happens, then sure, we can all start using ebid, amazon, bonanzle etc etc.

as i see it presently, yes, we're making some money, perhaps not as much as we used to, with feebay/ppal but we are still allowing them to live and breathe....what we need to do is to cut off their air and let them suffocate.

by using them, whether by stealth or otherwise, we are still giving them revenue, which is all they want, and as for traders who have left them? they dont give 2 f...ks who's gone....as long as they still have revenue coming in!

and as for feebay/ppal kissing your rump, well pardner, i totally agree with you there...they can kiss mine too.....hehe :)

I agree I agree
 

Some of us had to gradually get away from ebay..it was hard road at first because some of us had never made money that quickly before. if you ask me you can make money faster on the other sites. toomany complainers on ebay and its a waste of time. they wont leave feedback so you can get back either.
I do use the blogs, the newspapers to blast ebay and paypal every chance I get. I hit them in the stomach a number of ways.
Lets work together guys. collaborate more and make this money. Get rich, easy money. most of us have made a way out of no way. Now lets take it to the highest level.

destroy feebay and ppal
 

totally agree with you!

thats the way forward....and thats what my rants are all about!

fair enough; we're using aspkin's forum to sound off, so all good dues to him; he deserves a good mention again and again.
aspkin has done a fantastic job in getting together the stealth guide, which has enabled possibly millions of people to get back to selling on feebay and putting some bread on the table.

but thats not the way forward...the way forward is to destroy feebay and ppal totally.
grind them into the ground from which they sprang up all those years ago.

make them feel the sorrow, the total helplessness of the millions of perfectly legit traders out there, from all walks of life and from all countries, whom they have s..t upon.

that omidyar guy who first brought feebay into life, did not envision ebay to be such a megalithic monster that it has become, with rules and regs changing whenever it feels right.

i agree with you that you CAN make money outside of feebay, by knocking up your own website or maybe using other auction sites, but it does take a long time and an awful amount of hard work publicising your website etc via blogs, forums etc etc, but in the end, all the hard work will come to fruitition.

somebody also said on here that all those of us who still trade on feebay, whether by using stealth or otherwise, are absolute hippocrites, on the one hand screaming foul about feebay, then going back and trading on it!

i agree with that too, but, as many of us will say, what else can you do when getting the same amount of sales elsewhere takes ages, and on the other hand you have get food on the table for your family and kids as fast as possible?

at the moment, we really have no choice, and the half-wits at feebay know that there is no other site out there where traders can make as much money, and quickly, than feebay.

but we all CAN change that....lets get together and devise some sort of mega-plan to act en-masse, whether by law action, stopping trading on feebay or whatever...anything that will destroy feebay.

of course people will say about me....well, what about you then? why are you talking about getting back on feebay, while telling everyone else to get away from them?

the answer is yes, as i said above...at the present time, i can think of no other alternative that can generate fast money as feebay, even tho ive been watching ebid, priceminister, blujay, bonanzle, mvp traders, epier, ecrater, ebidz, play.com etc etc......they all do generate sales, but not as much as the enemy.

but perhaps if we all act together, we can change stuff, and the enemy will be thing of the past hopefully one day not far away.......

I am new victim of dsr system.

if you sell slowly and have an account aging for a while with true info, then i cant see any problems arising. i have an account that i sell many high risk items but never suspended, just temporarily on hold once.

So far - your time will come!!!
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This story is pretty much exactly like mine.I have been a platinum power seller 6 times but eventually Ebay and Paypal always caught up with me.Not to mention all the powerseller accounts in between.

I too was loosing my home and pretty much rendered powerless because no matter what I did the outcome was certain "cancellation sooner or later".

Then after days of reading I found what I now define as the "holy grail of revenge" This forum.
I am actively running 14 accounts and always creating new ones as well as buying more.Sure you will loose some along the way but its a numbers game.

I thought I knew it all due to my vast experience as a powerseller since EBay's infancy but Aspkins knowledge humbled me and has changed ,my like in many ways.

Buy Ebay Stealth and do not just read it INTERNALIZE IT.Forget all you think you know and apply the system.Organization is key but all worth the effort.

Beat them at their own game and laugh all the way to the bank.:snicker:

Excellent post fineart - excellent post indeed:clap:

damn! i really love the stories here from people who use to sell ton's of things and make a lot of money,but unfortunly got shutdown.What i always wonder..what to sell?? i broke my head thinking but not much success,i hate to sell ultra high risk items,i wish to be a normal seller and have a fun with my kids packing listing etc,you know.

at least to make 2k bucks a month extra :)

I just got my 2 year happy birthday notice and my violations went from VERY LOW to MEDIUM..... I got screwed by sony several times because item I listed out of catalog had warranty info in the catalog itself and violated me for that crap. Called ebay many times and said they are reviewing it...blah blah blah:juggle:

Just had my 1 year old accounts TRS removed.... FU ebay.


Stupid idiots who open cases even after you're dealing with them, annoy me the most these days. that rule NEEDS TO CHANGE.... Open cases shouldn't be judged unless it's a LOT.

Sad to hear, but I disagree. Opened cases shouldn't count AT ALL. Does eBay honestly not realize that tons of buyers are jumping the gun and opening cases/disputes before even thinking of messaging the seller?

I swear from 10 problems that I've had with buyers, 2 contact me, 1 leaves a negative feedback but doesn't do anything more, and 7 go right ahead and open up a dispute.

I'm all for disputes that are decided in the buyer's favor as counting against you, why shouldn't they, but not the ones that are decided in your favor or even just opened. That seems like absolute madness to me. Madness? This is eBay! and unfortunately eBay is strictly a logic-free zone.

Well the new updates require the buyer to message you first before they can open a case. I forgot when this will be implemented, but it's coming, don't worry.

I think some of us need to look at what is happening from outside the box a little bit.

Ebays' first priority is the customer. It's the customer who brings the money. You think it's you because you pay the fees but understand this - if Ebay can make their platform right the customers will buy and the sellers will follow. Their are 10 sellers for everyone that gets knocked off but their are not 10 buyers to replace everyone that gets ripped off.

When sellers dump their ⊗⊗⊗⊗ goods on buyers - no matter how good a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ they are - the customer gets hacked off - he then tells his mates so you don't lose one customer - you lose 10. Ebay worked this out a long long time ago.

When sellers come on this forum trying to justify selling ⊗⊗⊗⊗ goods all they are doing is reinforcing Ebays resolve to get you off their platform.

Longevity on stealth is not possible selling VERO or ⊗⊗⊗⊗ - IMO it cannot be done.

I have a golden account that has had no issues at all. Everything sold on it is crystal clean. I work on it, I get rid of any negs from bad buyers - I bribe them if necessary - I keep good DSRs - I sell good value products - I leave money in PP - and I make over £5K a month - FROM ONE ACCOUNT!!! - And I'm not the only one on this forum doing so

I have more than one account - it can be done - it is relatively easy to do - but you must play by their rules - it's their way or the highway.

An anology that I have used before is this:
"I lost my driving licence because I was drinking and driving.

When I get my Licence back I'm still going to be drinking and driving.

What can I do to make sure I don't lose my licenece again?

I think it's so unfair that they keep taking my licence off me because I pay hundreds in road tax.

Please help me"

It's a new ball game out there and it's changing all the time

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Fantastic post Fineart and GrannyT.

Everything is about being organized and smart.

I went unmolested on every account for more then a year until recently.

I might have got sloppy as I am trying to do way too much with work, kids, ebay etc but I will not let it stop me.

I dont sell risky items so I dont have to worry about that part.

Like Granny said, she has a golden account and she wont risk anything with it.

People always need to have that one golden account that is squeaky clean and built for the long haul.

Mine is nearly 2 years old and I intend on making sure it is sitting there for the long haul.

People need to stop selling the phakes and stop messing around with late shipping, bad photos, etc etc. eBay & PP are applying the screws and soon getting a sellers account will be like applying for a job, complete with forms, drug tests, and background check!

I hope not ovdiu - some of us old ladies could be in real trouble:bounce:

With age comes wisdom.

With wisdom comes ways to always make things work out no matter what walls are built around us.

Right GT?

@SandyD - for every wall a man builds a woman will find a way round it. The problem we seem to be having is the longevity of our work arounds.

Regarding the OPs original point about going unmoleted - I got molested about half past midnight last night - does that count?:D

If you did not mind it then it surely counts.

ahaha the issue is, what isnt vero these days? and vero items to me sells the most, and quickest,
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The buyers believe that for sure.

I sold a piece of 1940's glassware under glassware other and the emails I got were amazing asking me where I found it and how could I sell it so cheap. Then the amazing question. Can you prove who made this because the copyright owner would insist on the information being correct.

Cannot imagine anyone still being alive that owned a factory in 1940 and went out of business in 1959 still worried about calling something by its correct name.

How do you keep all the extra accounts active? Last I remember eBay shuts down accounts that arent verified within a week.

I suppose I should have thanked Aspkin, and I shall. Thank you Aspkin :hail:

But I have been going for over 12 to 18 months.
Had my issues with some violations, but slowly is the way to go.

I only got into trouble when I up the pace. Slowly and carefully is the way to go if you want to stay selling.
Also depends on your competitors, had my problems there and some nasty buyers as well.
Feebay and PP aren't your only problem.

Never has happened to me and I many accounts just sitting with no verification done.

And me - I bring them to life when I need them - still have the same old problems though

Hi, okay, I don't think I am changing the comment thread here. pologies if I am.
Ebay and paypal are in it to make money;
I am looking at product to sell, some is possibly dropshipping.
Do they not like dropshipping?
If it is quality merchandise and customers are happy, why do I have to worry about being shut down.
Answer? Is it because I would have more than one ebay ID that I am selling from.
I am just unsure about having diff IP's and power cycling and such if I am selling good product (i am sure everyone here is), why I would have to be so worried about being restricted?

In most cases they do not like dropshipping.

And if you use stock photos like a million other people it can cause issues.

What I would do is order a batch of your items you want to sell and take your own pictures and try the ds. Just to test and see if it works for you.

You won photos will help a ton.

im on stealth ebay for 10 months now 3 accounts...full on stealth.
i believe if ebay will link you..its always the first 2 months..its how it happend to me in the past...but i wasn't going stealth back then.
my key stealth tactics where new info, separate windows account and dial up.
i had to take a 2 month break because i lost dialup (long story).

i found a way to reconnect my modem with alternating ip's.
im still nervous about this way..been doing it for 3 months now.
i use the same modem, but i plug it in differently. ip always changes.

my banned ip no longer exists.

I had my real account as well as my other accounts canned by eBay and paypal since they were all linked, I was making $400-$500 a day before it came to and end
and it hurt me so bad to a point were my girl was comforting since it was my fastest income stream at the time and I did not know were else to turn to make some money. However I got back on after founding the stealth ebook and created a few more accounts and started selling again but after a few months they all got taken down again.

Currently I have accounts that as been going for six months but still making more just in case those rats strike again.

I'm here because my sister got suspended as a buyer for non-payment of auctions she won. This was YEARS before i started selling on eB@y.

I saw this some time ago, Ebay Reinstated her account. Ebay created the VERO Program to do 2 Things Appease the Rights Owners and to Protect Ebay.

Basically if the Rights Owners complain to Ebay anout a Particular listing Ebay Automatically Takes Down the Listing and Boots the Seller, if the Sh^t Hits the Fan Where say the seller takes the Rights owner to court Ebay Reinstates the Sellers account and "Gets off the Hook" I have seen this MANY Times

Same basic story...100% feedback, over 1000 fb's, silver powerseller, policy compliance - High, DSR's 4.9+ on all. I've never been suspended. Account up to date. Outstanding achievement certs on the wall above my desk. And a week ago...I'm done. Suspended indefinitely. I faxed in over 100 pages of documents to prove "proof of product", wrote a 4 page email pleading for them to reconsider, give me a second chance, etc. I got a cold hearted response saying I was going to remain suspended and they weren't going to respond to my inquires in the future. I quit my great paying job to be my own boss. I have been greif stricken for the last week. I'm finally coming out of it, sort of. I have no income 3 weeks before Christmas. My wife is working but it's going to be a huge struggle until I can get things going again, whether it's stealth ebay or something else. I'm devastated and getting angry. I have 5 kids who will still get their Christmas...no thanks to ebay. Tears are running as I write this...thank you ebay.

so far im at 10 months.
followed all the rules....
it may be over soon as paypal has requested my SSN.
i gave them an EIN instead.

lets hope i stay on. EIN is brand new with my real info...i dont know if paypal will see that.