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Estarossa 01-26-2020 05:37 PM

How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
I think it's unfair that chinese citizens are registered on UK Ebay and selling items when people who reside in this country have to take the long route and dropship or order bulk and even then it's near impossible to beat the chinese sellers prices since they're at the source of it, while we pay premium. I'm just starting out and i've got some knowledge on how to create accounts, but i just don't see how i can compete with these sellers, i know a lot of you are successful and been doing this for years and obviously not going to reveal the secret, but how do i find profitable items? Ali baba i compared prices and chinese sellers are selling belowbulk price, it's really not worth trying to compete with these guys, you'll just end up losing money. How do i get in touch with private suppliers instead of being forced to buy bulk on alibaba and sites like this? Very frustrating trying to do this in 2020, feels like if you aren't already experienced for many years and know the ins and outs, you got no chance.

ukjay 01-26-2020 05:43 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Lots of homework has helped me to cherry pick items to sell.Here is were i have been looking to source items https://leelinesourcing.com/1688-agent/

Estarossa 01-26-2020 07:11 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ukjay (Post 1064744)
Lots of homework has helped me to cherry pick items to sell.Here is were i have been looking to source items https://leelinesourcing.com/1688-agent/

That site doesn't show any products, they just want me to put my skype info in and they'll then tell me what they have or how does it work? don't see how i can pick items that aren't overly saturated already if they are the ones to pick it for me?

ukjay 01-26-2020 07:23 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
the site is 1688.com the link is for a personal shopper to buy from the site as its a china site and we can not buy from it.In regards to what to buy well thats for you to do ya homework yes they under cut the market but they can not ship first class like we can and they can't engage as well as we can with UK buyer's like we can so we have some advantages how you use them is up to you.see what they are selling lots of source it buy it ship it faster than them it works well for me.

degsey69 01-26-2020 07:27 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
The playing field with the Chinese will be leveled later on this year when Chinese sellers will have their shipping rates raised to at least the USA rates so their shipping will increase. The Chinese government, have for years, exploited the epackage service, charging their nationals a few cents to ship, USA, and other countries have to deliver the packages free, that finishes this year. This was instigated by the President. The Chinese sellers then will have to increase their prices and we will be more competitive.

If you are looking for a product to sell, I recommend a consumable item, less profit but more sales with repeat buyers.

Estarossa 01-26-2020 07:39 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ukjay (Post 1064754)
the site is 1688.com the link is for a personal shopper to buy from the site as its a china site and we can not buy from it.In regards to what to buy well thats for you to do ya homework yes they under cut the market but they can not ship first class like we can and they can't engage as well as we can with UK buyer's like we can so we have some advantages how you use them is up to you.see what they are selling lots of source it buy it ship it faster than them it works well for me.

I mean i was just browsing and straight away i see business information clearly showing the seller is from china/hk, and theirr item location is listed in the UK and delivery is 3 days, within 2 days dispatch, so the item is clearly in the UK, so delivery is same as UK sellers since they clearly have the stock in the UK.

ukjay 01-26-2020 07:49 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
check the feedback out i bet there's negs on the slow shipping.Homework find items there not selling.There's still lots of things there not selling YET its up to you to think out of the box keep looking you will find stuff. On all my listings it says fast&free shipping this is a big selling point compared to the other listings im competing with.

Estarossa 01-26-2020 08:56 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ukjay (Post 1064760)
check the feedback out i bet there's negs on the slow shipping.Homework find items there not selling.There's still lots of things there not selling YET its up to you to think out of the box keep looking you will find stuff. On all my listings it says fast&free shipping this is a big selling point compared to the other listings im competing with.

What would be an ideal amount of money to test the waters, i obviously don't want to dive into the deepend first thing, so i'm thinking about using a certain amount of money to order some product and see whether it sells or not.

agent006140 01-26-2020 10:23 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
once you pick out the products you think are promising,buy anywhere from 1-5 depending on price and popularity.
There is plenty of time to reorder.

agent006140 01-26-2020 10:25 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
as far as shipping is concern,the exchange rate is US$1 comes to cHINA $6.5 .
IF YOU CHarge 3 for shipping a light item with tracking,that $3 comes to almost $20 Chinese dollars,they can still beat you in item price and shipping,they just make less.

Estarossa 01-28-2020 10:14 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1064775)
as far as shipping is concern,the exchange rate is US$1 comes to cHINA $6.5 .
IF YOU CHarge 3 for shipping a light item with tracking,that $3 comes to almost $20 Chinese dollars,they can still beat you in item price and shipping,they just make less.

I see, i wasn't too hopeful about having an edge on them with shipping, since i checked a couple of chinese sellers and they seem to have stock in the UK, a bit unfair considering they aren't even in the country, will try 1-5 items and see how it goes, but i don't think that gives me a good read, even if 5 items sell, i buy a decent amount of stock, i will probably end up facing problems selling it, the people i'm undercutting might then lower their price and i can't lower it any further without going into loss.

cafonabob1 01-28-2020 11:17 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
You can compete by knowing the local market better than someone 10000km away. Many things you simply can't compete. Here in the US a 1oz package with tracking costs ~$2.75. Chinese sellers sell items 99c free shipping with tracking. Don't be afraid of competition. Adapt.

tmastermind 01-29-2020 02:43 AM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
I’ve made a success by actually increasing the price but just packaging the same product differently and competed with Chinese sellers on the UK market and actually done more sales and more profit! Some people get the false economy sense and prefer to buy something that’s worth a little more for a sense of it will last or get better support.

As a couple posted have already alluded to your kinda selling yourself and the service your offering. Don’t just focus on the product solely

jasonbkk 01-30-2020 05:32 AM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Many of the Chinese/HK sellers putting item location as the UK are in fact sending from China, they do it as some people are put off with item location being China.

Some have been putting Ireland or France, the parcels are all coming from China with 5-21 day delivery time.

Also most of the counterfeit items they sell will not list the brand, they use keywords. Try seaching for 'Childs football soccer kids youth kit shirt 19-20'

SenDzo 02-01-2020 02:12 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
list stuff that very few sell....

Estarossa 02-21-2020 07:21 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SenDzo (Post 1066230)
list stuff that very few sell....

Hard to find things that aren't already completely saturated and the ones that you can possibly find are being sold at such low prices that you think to yourself how those sellers are even making a profit, clearly foreign sellers (chinese mostly), maybe i'm searching in the wrong place, where do i begin to find the cheapest bulk sellers with a wide variety of products? preferably not any middlemen with high fees? I know the site mentioned above is in chinese and have to personally contact them regarding a specific item to get more information, but it's better if there was a catalogue that i could search and compare prices to ebay and see which ones are worth trying out and not so saturated. Finding national bulk sellers/company is quite difficult and i've had no success there either. Struggling to find profitable/worthwhile products and acquiring them from a good source.

Pandoras_box 02-21-2020 09:03 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
The days of being highly successful on eBay and Amazon without some serious research seems to be over.

Spend a month on Terapeak.com and Alibaba.com, and you'd be rewarded with years of profit.

james13v 02-21-2020 09:16 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
LOL.well, this thread didn't age well at all. I guess it will be easier to compete with chinese sellers now eh?

agent006140 02-21-2020 11:53 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
I am beginning to enjoy reading your posts,a dry sense of humor?
some buy on Ebay and resell on Ebay,do you know Ebay is the best hunting ground for brick and mortar 'antique' dealers !
My vendor just came back from Tucson Jewelry show,you should go and see for yourself,

james13v 02-22-2020 07:50 AM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1071335)
I am beginning to enjoy reading your posts,a dry sense of humor?
some buy on Ebay and resell on Ebay,do you know Ebay is the best hunting ground for brick and mortar 'antique' dealers !
My vendor just came back from Tucson Jewelry show,you should go and see for yourself,

it's called a dark sense of humor.

95% of what I sell on ebay, I buy on ebay.

rsot 02-22-2020 08:53 AM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1071375)
it's called a dark sense of humor.

95% of what I sell on ebay, I buy on ebay.

Good use of the market :)

Estarossa 02-27-2020 03:21 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1071335)
I am beginning to enjoy reading your posts,a dry sense of humor?
some buy on Ebay and resell on Ebay,do you know Ebay is the best hunting ground for brick and mortar 'antique' dealers !
My vendor just came back from Tucson Jewelry show,you should go and see for yourself,

Most people on this forum are buying bulk from china and reselling, not many are buying from ebay to resell on ebay and i would think the profit margins would be higher if you sold chinese stuff since it's so cheap to acquire. If anyone has a list of sites i can take a look at to find some products that aren't extremely saturated and worth selling, let me know please!

Estarossa 02-27-2020 03:23 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandoras_box (Post 1071321)
The days of being highly successful on eBay and Amazon without some serious research seems to be over.

Spend a month on Terapeak.com and Alibaba.com, and you'd be rewarded with years of profit.

Spend a month doing what? going through items and cross-checking them on ebay to see if they're worth selling and not too saturated? i can do that but i still don't think i will find anything, i'll give a try though. Alibaba and terapeak and other sites like this are where middlemen are selling the items right? how do i get items from the source/manufacturers for cheaper than these sites? Is there anyway to contact the Chinese source of these products to get better prices? I don't understand terapeak.

dan_ebay 02-27-2020 04:59 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Estarossa (Post 1073076)
Spend a month doing what? going through items and cross-checking them on ebay to see if they're worth selling and not too saturated? i can do that but i still don't think i will find anything, i'll give a try though. Alibaba and terapeak and other sites like this are where middlemen are selling the items right? how do i get items from the source/manufacturers for cheaper than these sites? Is there anyway to contact the Chinese source of these products to get better prices? I don't understand terapeak.

Bit of a myth that finding a magical manufacturer leads to a great price. I buy most of my items from a middleman, they spend $1-5 mil per order with each brand, get a 20-30% discount on the standard wholesale price and then sell at a 2-5% markup so it's much cheaper to buy from the middleman than the manufacturer in my niche.

Pandoras_box 02-27-2020 05:44 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dan_ebay (Post 1073111)
Bit of a myth that finding a magical manufacturer leads to a great price. I buy most of my items from a middleman, they spend $1-5 mil per order with each brand, get a 20-30% discount on the standard wholesale price and then sell at a 2-5% markup so it's much cheaper to buy from the middleman than the manufacturer in my niche.

As it should be, otherwise middlemen or distributors would not exist. :lol:

agent006140 02-27-2020 06:01 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Estarossa (Post 1073074)
Most people on this forum are buying bulk from china and reselling, not many are buying from ebay to resell on ebay and i would think the profit margins would be higher if you sold chinese stuff since it's so cheap to acquire. If anyone has a list of sites i can take a look at to find some products that aren't extremely saturated and worth selling, let me know please!

this is the problem,buying from Alibaba,and sell them on Ebay,the ones who sold you on Ali are also selling on Ebay for 99 cents free shipping.

Buying on EBay to resell can be quite profitable if you know what you are doing,I am not talking about the common stuff on EBAY,I am talking the one of a kind stuff,hard to find and if you can find it,cost too much.
But on Ebay ,it shows up every day !
You have to know what you are looking for

Estarossa 02-27-2020 06:36 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1073129)
this is the problem,buying from Alibaba,and sell them on Ebay,the ones who sold you on Ali are also selling on Ebay for 99 cents free shipping.

Buying on EBay to resell can be quite profitable if you know what you are doing,I am not talking about the common stuff on EBAY,I am talking the one of a kind stuff,hard to find and if you can find it,cost too much.
But on Ebay ,it shows up every day !
You have to know what you are looking for

Yes that is exactly the issue i am seeing. The same people selling on alibaba and similar sites are also selling on ebay and you can't beat their prices.

Pandoras_box 02-27-2020 06:36 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Estarossa (Post 1073076)
Spend a month doing what? going through items and cross-checking them on ebay to see if they're worth selling and not too saturated?
i can do that but i still don't think i will find anything, i'll give a try though. Alibaba and terapeak and other sites like this are where middlemen are selling the items right? how do i get items from the source/manufacturers for cheaper than these sites? Is there anyway to contact the Chinese source of these products to get better prices? I don't understand terapeak.



Actually it would be the other way around. Let's say you see an item on eBay that you think you might like to sell. You check, and the item sells a good quantity daily.
You'd copy the title and paste it into search in Terapeak.com
Hit search and then click on "inventory ideas."
That should show you all items in the seller's shop, including the total amount and quantity sold for each item for a given time.
If you like the figures you see, go on to the steps below. Otherwise, go back to eBay and select another product and title.

You must have an excel file that works out all fees with minimal input. This is essential. Costs will include eBay, Paypal, shipping+, Agents(inspects samples and goods in china), taxes, INR + mail fraud (estimates), importation fees, packaging, branding (if any), storage, stock insurance and a few more.

When you've computed some of these, go on Alibaba and post a "Request for quotation"

Be very thorough and clear about what you want and ask not to be contacted if they cannot meet your stated requirements.
Ask for a final price and make it clear you'd be making your decision based the most affordable offer.

While you wait for responses, go back to eBay, pick another item and repeat the process over and over.
As you begin to get responses, enter the missing information into your excel file. Products and manufacturers that will make you money will quickly stand out.


Many other essential aspects are too numerous to print here. Still, you may already be aware of these - for example, you want to check that no patents, agreements or even local laws prevent you from selling your chosen item. If there's one in place, thrash the product and go on to the next item.


Repeat until you max out your budget.

asmallredfox 02-27-2020 08:29 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Estarossa (Post 1064743)
I think it's unfair that chinese citizens are registered on UK Ebay and selling items when people who reside in this country have to take the long route and dropship or order bulk and even then it's near impossible to beat the chinese sellers prices since they're at the source of it, while we pay premium. I'm just starting out and i've got some knowledge on how to create accounts, but i just don't see how i can compete with these sellers, i know a lot of you are successful and been doing this for years and obviously not going to reveal the secret, but how do i find profitable items? Ali baba i compared prices and chinese sellers are selling belowbulk price, it's really not worth trying to compete with these guys, you'll just end up losing money. How do i get in touch with private suppliers instead of being forced to buy bulk on alibaba and sites like this? Very frustrating trying to do this in 2020, feels like if you aren't already experienced for many years and know the ins and outs, you got no chance.

Why don`t you ask me , a chinese guy here,haha

agent006140 02-27-2020 09:54 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
I dont understand why everyone wants to sell Chinese made goods,look around,other countries make things too!!!!!!

agent006140 02-27-2020 09:59 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Home depot is limiting number of masks we can buy -ten per person

Pandoras_box 02-28-2020 06:20 AM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
CNN says masks won't help.

Got to go full Hazmat suit or seclude yourself. ;)

james_112233 02-28-2020 06:28 AM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tmastermind (Post 1065277)
I’ve made a success by actually increasing the price but just packaging the same product differently and competed with Chinese sellers on the UK market and actually done more sales and more profit! Some people get the false economy sense and prefer to buy something that’s worth a little more for a sense of it will last or get better support.

As a couple posted have already alluded to your kinda selling yourself and the service your offering. Don’t just focus on the product solely

Yes, I pay more for items packaged in pretty packaging as it boosts up the price of what I sell when I bundle it up.

I can get the same items from chinese sellers without packaging for peanuts but I don't mind paying a 5x more for the same item in good packaging as it helps sell what I sell.

james_112233 02-28-2020 06:30 AM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Everybody wants to go to the source ... you can still make good profits buying from the middleman but then finding a unique way to present what you sell.

A lot of money is in the presentation.

Estarossa 02-28-2020 04:51 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james_112233 (Post 1073255)
Everybody wants to go to the source ... you can still make good profits buying from the middleman but then finding a unique way to present what you sell.

A lot of money is in the presentation.

I've checked about 20 items from alibaba to ebay, items that i think wouldn't be too popular/saturated and they're all being sold by chinese sellers for close to same price they're being sold on alibaba, these people are selling on alibaba and also selling on ebay so you can't beat them.

Estarossa 02-28-2020 04:54 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandoras_box (Post 1073145)
Actually it would be the other way around. Let's say you see an item on eBay that you think you might like to sell. You check, and the item sells a good quantity daily.
You'd copy the title and paste it into search in Terapeak.com
Hit search and then click on "inventory ideas."
That should show you all items in the seller's shop, including the total amount and quantity sold for each item for a given time.
If you like the figures you see, go on to the steps below. Otherwise, go back to eBay and select another product and title.

You must have an excel file that works out all fees with minimal input. This is essential. Costs will include eBay, Paypal, shipping+, Agents(inspects samples and goods in china), taxes, INR + mail fraud (estimates), importation fees, packaging, branding (if any), storage, stock insurance and a few more.

When you've computed some of these, go on Alibaba and post a "Request for quotation"

Be very thorough and clear about what you want and ask not to be contacted if they cannot meet your stated requirements.
Ask for a final price and state it clearly that if you'd be making your decision based the most affordable offer.

While you wait for responses, go back to eBay, pick another item and repeat the process over and over.
As you begin to get responses, enter the missing information into your excel file. Products and manufacturers that will make you money will quickly stand out.


Many other essential aspects are too numerous to print here. Still, you may already be aware of these - for example, you want to check that no patents, agreements or even local laws prevent you from selling your chosen item. If there's one in place, thrash the product and go on to the next item.


Repeat until you max out your budget.

I'll try automate an excel spreadsheet to calculate costs after i put figures in but i guess i need to find products that the alibaba sellers are not also selling on ebay, that's the hard part that i've seen currently because nearly all items are in one way or another being sold on ebay for the same price so they're not doable at all. Also i don't have any experience about agents, how much do they charge? and what % of cases are INR/mail fraud usually? Also where do i calculate stock insurance? I'm struggling to find a product even after searching a lot from alibaba to ebay.

Pandoras_box 02-28-2020 05:29 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
You need to find the products on eBay, NOT Alibaba.
It's as easy as pie for you to get 50 to 100 products selling £5000 each per month under 5 hours using the method posted above.

You do not check prices on Alibaba. Those prices are for show and not the real prices. You're there to post a request for quotation. The prices you get in PM will be lower than what's listed.

Google business insurance. Many offers in the UK for next to nothing.

Doctor453 03-14-2020 05:48 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandoras_box (Post 1073145)
Actually it would be the other way around. Let's say you see an item on eBay that you think you might like to sell. You check, and the item sells a good quantity daily.
You'd copy the title and paste it into search in Terapeak.com
Hit search and then click on "inventory ideas."
That should show you all items in the seller's shop, including the total amount and quantity sold for each item for a given time.
If you like the figures you see, go on to the steps below. Otherwise, go back to eBay and select another product and title.

You must have an excel file that works out all fees with minimal input. This is essential. Costs will include eBay, Paypal, shipping+, Agents(inspects samples and goods in china), taxes, INR + mail fraud (estimates), importation fees, packaging, branding (if any), storage, stock insurance and a few more.

When you've computed some of these, go on Alibaba and post a "Request for quotation"

Be very thorough and clear about what you want and ask not to be contacted if they cannot meet your stated requirements.
Ask for a final price and make it clear you'd be making your decision based the most affordable offer.

While you wait for responses, go back to eBay, pick another item and repeat the process over and over.
As you begin to get responses, enter the missing information into your excel file. Products and manufacturers that will make you money will quickly stand out.


Many other essential aspects are too numerous to print here. Still, you may already be aware of these - for example, you want to check that no patents, agreements or even local laws prevent you from selling your chosen item. If there's one in place, thrash the product and go on to the next item.


Repeat until you max out your budget.

you said find products on ebay and not alibaba, so if i find products that are already being sold a lot by other sellers, how will i sell them? do i simply undercut them by 10% or a little and hope my listing sells more and in turn they undercut me and process repeat or what? Thanks again!

agent006140 03-14-2020 09:09 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
race to the bottom is what you just described,BRAVO !

prodigyace 03-14-2020 10:45 PM

Re: How are new ebay sellers supposed to compete with chinese sellers/competitors?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor453 (Post 1077253)
you said find products on ebay and not alibaba, so if i find products that are already being sold a lot by other sellers, how will i sell them? do i simply undercut them by 10% or a little and hope my listing sells more and in turn they undercut me and process repeat or what? Thanks again!

You sell them by trial and error, I doubt the guy is going to hand you the keys to the castle for free. Learn as you go, its part of the game.


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