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Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1082283)

You'll have to decide if you'd rather pay the $3k, or have a delinquent account showing on your credit report for the next several years. I'm assuming this is your real account so if you don't pay, they will definitely send your bill to a collection agency.

Personally I'd just square up with eBay. You've already made your money.. not really cool to hold back eBay's cut when you they're the ones that helped you get paid in the first place.

Originally Posted by Harariman99 (Post 1082293)

It just irked me how they requested it be paid now for the case to be considered, since it’s not really due until 2 weeks from now.

Originally Posted by SaiJin (Post 1082263)

Well, if you pwe them money, then you need to pay it.

Originally Posted by Pandoras_box (Post 1082296)

Thanks for the voice of reason. Holding onto eBay fees just makes stealth harder for everyone eventually.

Originally Posted by Bigblackdog (Post 1082303)

Sorry but my response would be sue me if you can find me

Originally Posted by Bigblackdog (Post 1082305)

Oh please - this is peeing up my back and telling me it's raining - do you seriously advocate that the OP paying a multi million pound company 3 grand will make stealth easier? Can I have some of what you're smoking please?

Originally Posted by Pandoras_box (Post 1082314)

That illustration does not fit. It comes off as a cop-out for mounting a sophisticated argument.

I suppose there aren't thousands of sellers who have walked away with eBay fees. OP must be the first to consider it.

In my opinion,

It's like

Stealth accounts are getting harder to create and operate. Based on what I've deduced (even considering eBay's condition to OP) it would appear eBay is taking significant steps to rein in their losses due to uncollected fees or refunds that have to come out of their pocket.

If you do not think this is one of the reasons eBay stealth is progressively getting complicated, I'd like to hear your opinion.

Morals aside, why shouldn't people pay for the service they receive?
You'd imagine that people who have this as their only income or at least benefit from it would want to keep the entire eco-system alive.

At what point do you think dodging fees will constitute a problem for everyone? What would happen if 10, 50 or 90% of sellers elect to do as you infer?

Originally Posted by Harariman99 (Post 1082315)

Welp, paid it about an hour ago and just received an indefinite suspension ..

Originally Posted by tinsoldier (Post 1082300)

Normally I'd agree, but on a forum which effectively revolves around fraud with moderators actively promoting it (see above poster - not phaz0rz clearly) the irony and requests for integrity seem somewhat ironic.

Here's a thought....how about decrying stealth (fraud) because it makes life harder for decent honest sellers.

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1082318)

Not the first time I've heard of them doing that. At least your credit score won't be lowered. Your toilet paper sales probably didn't go in your favor when they were doing their "considering."

You can always get an LLC and/or stealth account. :noidea:

Originally Posted by Bigblackdog (Post 1082317)

Still think it was a good idea to pay it?

Originally Posted by Pandoras_box (Post 1082322)

Perhaps this would sound better to your ears: "No, it was a bad idea. He should have ran off with their money and not paid for the services he received."

This forum is not about robing anyone, it is about turning a profit. eBay provided him with a platform to turn a profit in exchange for their fees.
What is so seductive about stealing their money on the way out?

Op can just make more stealth accounts and carry on with his business. It doesn't take cleaning out eBay to do that.

Originally Posted by Bigblackdog (Post 1082321)

Yes - but he could have done this without paying three grand

The holier than thou attitude in this thread blows my mind

Originally Posted by Harariman99 (Post 1082315)

Welp, paid it about an hour ago and just received an indefinite suspension ..

Originally Posted by tinsoldier (Post 1082325)

What's your point? This forum is dedicated to fraud and stealing and is actively assisted. (phake docs are available ;) )

I merely pointed out the irony of a moderator and seller of such wares telling a punter to behave properly.


If any of us could get away with it, without any repercussions whatsoever, we'd do it. If anyone says otherwise then I'm inclined to dismiss them as fibbers. Through my creative business model I'm knowingly defrauding the UK tax system, robbing ebay would therefore be walk in the park.

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1082328)

There's no possible way he could have spared his credit score without paying what he owes.

I'm not meaning to blow your mind. I guess I'm loyal to eBay because they've been very good to me over the years. Stealth isn't fraud in the US and I don't want to see it become any harder to run accounts. If enough sellers run off with what they owe there's no doubt stealth would become harder.. because that's the kind of thing that would encourage eBay to more carefully verify the people they're allowing to sell.

:noidea:

This isn't even an argument from my POV. If you use the service you're supposed to pay for it.

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1082328)

There's no possible way he could have spared his credit score without paying what he owes.

I'm not meaning to blow your mind. I guess I'm loyal to eBay because they've been very good to me over the years. Stealth isn't fraud in the US and I don't want to see it become any harder to run accounts. If enough sellers run off with what they owe there's no doubt stealth would become harder.. because that's the kind of thing that would encourage eBay to more carefully verify the people they're allowing to sell.

:noidea:

This isn't even an argument from my POV. If you use the service you're supposed to pay for it.

Originally Posted by Pandoras_box (Post 1082334)

Exactly. Stealth has been monumentally difficult in the US since late last year. I do not think eBay is just sitting there thinking "Well, what shall we through money at now? Oh, stealthers!"

It would be more logical to consider that our actions may be forcing their hand.

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1082333)

Find me a Greenbean post where the word salad she posted actually had any meaning. What's your point? What argument are you referring to? This is really just common sense (and decency).

I never argued with GB about anything.. for the record. She was a goody-goody type of poster so I doubt she was advocating not paying your eBay fees.

Originally Posted by Bigblackdog (Post 1082339)

With the greatest of respect to you - she understood it a lot more than you do

Originally Posted by Johnwammh (Post 1082431)

if stealth. dont pay
if not stealth, pay
simple