| muzzie | 05-13-2022 01:11 AM | mass suspensions this night Anyone had the same issue? Had few accounts suspended this night in a 2 hour window. All were 6 months+ with 25+ FB selling history, no any problems with them, no vero no nothing, just old shelf crap for few bucks.
Only developing accounts were affected. Old established ones were not touched, but all of them share exactly the same running methods - banks, ips, browsers, all the same techniques.
UPDATE : I've asked about the reason for limitation, and got a canned reply from "authenticwatches@ebay.com". What is that email? Never seen it. |
Roy3805 | 05-13-2022 04:39 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night I haven’t gotten a large ban wave since January i lost like 30 accounts that day and 5 of them were top rated seller. Seems like after awhile the bots can link all of them to the same user. The bots are constantly getting upgraded to detect lots of accounts from 1 user |
muzzie | 05-13-2022 05:00 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy3805
(Post 1192169)
I haven’t gotten a large ban wave since January i lost like 30 accounts that day and 5 of them were top rated seller. Seems like after awhile the bots can link all of them to the same user. The bots are constantly getting upgraded to detect lots of accounts from 1 user | What have you improved since then? Or just handle this as a cost of doing business? |
DENDEN76 | 05-13-2022 05:38 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night I find it surprising the amount of accounts you guys run at a time |
Roy3805 | 05-13-2022 05:49 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzie
(Post 1192171)
What have you improved since then? Or just handle this as a cost of doing business? | Bro you wouldn’t believe me if I told you lol, I was a noob I didn’t really understand how stealth worked at first. I was only separating cookies.
So I would have friends create some accounts for me and then I would manage all of them in firefox portables. I was using the same windows user and same IP address on about 60 accounts. I had 1 or 2 get suspended every month. This worked for me from April 2021 until November 2021. All 60 got suspended in November
I joined this forum in December because I was ripping my hair out trying to figure out how all my accounts got suspended.
So from November 2021 - January 2022 I used same user and different firefox profiles and mobile hotspot to keep changing IP. But I was still linking the accounts because I would manage them with same IP until it asked me to sign in LOL. I had around 30 accounts and 20 got suspended doing that.
So from February 2022 until now I started using different windows users to seperate cookies and make sure my IP is changing everytime. I’m now managing 160 accounts doing this method. No problems. Windows users seems to keep everything seperate |
muzzie | 05-13-2022 05:59 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy3805
(Post 1192173)
Bro you wouldn’t believe me if I told you lol, I was a noob I didn’t really understand how stealth worked at first. I was only separating cookies.
So I would have friends create some accounts for me and then I would manage all of them in firefox portables. I was using the same windows user and same IP address on about 60 accounts. I had 1 or 2 get suspended every month. This worked for me from April 2021 until November 2021. All 60 got suspended in November
I joined this forum in December because I was ripping my hair out trying to figure out how all my accounts got suspended.
So from November 2021 - January 2022 I used same user and different firefox profiles and mobile hotspot to keep changing IP. But I was still linking the accounts because I would manage them with same IP until it asked me to sign in LOL. I had around 30 accounts and 20 got suspended doing that.
So from February 2022 until now I started using different windows users to seperate cookies and make sure my IP is changing everytime. I’m now managing 160 accounts doing this method. No problems. Windows users seems to keep everything seperate | Great that you've found that solution for you. However, I was using something similar, and it worked for 6 months, but then few accs just died, however nothing has changed in them and in the way I was running them - same sales, same items, no problems etc. |
Roy3805 | 05-13-2022 06:17 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzie
(Post 1192174)
Great that you've found that solution for you. However, I was using something similar, and it worked for 6 months, but then few accs just died, however nothing has changed in them and in the way I was running them - same sales, same items, no problems etc. | If everything on your accounts were unique then 9/10 they tracked all the behavior on your accounts to you.. that’s the only thing I could think of.
I’ve been researching on how fingerprints works and it’s scary. Your fingerprints is so unique that no one else in the world can have the same fingerprints as you. It goes as far as the pattern in your typing and mouse movement behavior.
The best option would be anti detect browsers or VMwares, but sometimes those cause problems also. So it’s a win/lose situation
Windows users and hotspots is still working for me but eventually all my accounts are going to be linked I’m sure |
DENDEN76 | 05-13-2022 06:58 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night How do you manage 160 accounts on MP |
Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by DENDEN76
(Post 1192179)
How do you manage 160 accounts on MP | Reuse some bank accounts across MP platform? |
DENDEN76 | 05-13-2022 07:20 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night Interesting |
Beekay | 05-13-2022 01:24 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy3805
(Post 1192173)
Bro you wouldn’t believe me if I told you lol, I was a noob I didn’t really understand how stealth worked at first. I was only separating cookies.
So I would have friends create some accounts for me and then I would manage all of them in firefox portables. I was using the same windows user and same IP address on about 60 accounts. I had 1 or 2 get suspended every month. This worked for me from April 2021 until November 2021. All 60 got suspended in November
I joined this forum in December because I was ripping my hair out trying to figure out how all my accounts got suspended.
So from November 2021 - January 2022 I used same user and different firefox profiles and mobile hotspot to keep changing IP. But I was still linking the accounts because I would manage them with same IP until it asked me to sign in LOL. I had around 30 accounts and 20 got suspended doing that.
So from February 2022 until now I started using different windows users to seperate cookies and make sure my IP is changing everytime. I’m now managing 160 accounts doing this method. No problems. Windows users seems to keep everything seperate |
160 accounts WOW!!! That the way to do it...I sent you a pm....Check it |
SaiJin | 05-13-2022 01:27 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzie
(Post 1192163)
Anyone had the same issue? Had few accounts suspended this night in a 2 hour window. All were 6 months+ with 25+ FB selling history, no any problems with them, no vero no nothing, just old shelf crap for few bucks.
Only developing accounts were affected. Old established ones were not touched, but all of them share exactly the same running methods - banks, ips, browsers, all the same techniques.
UPDATE : I've asked about the reason for limitation, and got a canned reply from "authenticwatches@ebay.com". What is that email? Never seen it. | The heck? That's the dept that deals with watches like Rolex... so they might be linking your account to accounts they were banning sounds like? |
Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzie
(Post 1192163)
UPDATE : I've asked about the reason for limitation, and got a canned reply from "authenticwatches@ebay.com". What is that email? Never seen it. | Neither has google. I can't find a single reference to this address. Weird? |
james_112233 | 05-13-2022 05:02 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night 160 accounts ? why would you need so many accounts ? and how is that even possible on MP unless you're going on companies house and stealing real business details. |
Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzie
(Post 1192163)
Anyone had the same issue? Had few accounts suspended this night in a 2 hour window. All were 6 months+ with 25+ FB selling history, no any problems with them, no vero no nothing, just old shelf crap for few bucks.
Only developing accounts were affected. Old established ones were not touched, but all of them share exactly the same running methods - banks, ips, browsers, all the same techniques.
UPDATE : I've asked about the reason for limitation, and got a canned reply from "authenticwatches@ebay.com". What is that email? Never seen it. | Probably you give out same fingerprints as someone who was banned for selling watches.
Warming the accounts with crap products is not the best tactic. Looks sketchy and you are not giving value to their precious community. Chinese sellers did this. Do not do something they were commonly doing. |
agent006140 | 05-15-2022 07:05 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night Ebay has a program which will authenticate watches,so it does not like replicas. |
Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by agent006140
(Post 1192351)
Ebay has a program which will authenticate watches,so it does not like replicas. | Program or bot identifying listing words/text? |
blanksie | 05-15-2022 11:25 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy3805
(Post 1192177)
If everything on your accounts were unique then 9/10 they tracked all the behavior on your accounts to you.. that’s the only thing I could think of.
I’ve been researching on how fingerprints works and it’s scary. Your fingerprints is so unique that no one else in the world can have the same fingerprints as you. It goes as far as the pattern in your typing and mouse movement behavior.
The best option would be anti detect browsers or VMwares, but sometimes those cause problems also. So it’s a win/lose situation
Windows users and hotspots is still working for me but eventually all my accounts are going to be linked I’m sure | I wonder if using a trackpad instead of mouse, opposite hand for mouse/trackpad, typing with one hand alters virtual fingerprint enough to throw off the bots? |
yankee | 05-15-2022 11:35 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night All my accounts run off the same IP for many many many years. I dont think IP has much meaning unless you have atrocious policy violations. |
muzzie | 05-15-2022 12:26 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night Thing is that most of the suspended accounts did not have any high risk sales, and were going okay for months. After going down, few accounts were still intact, although doing absolutely the same selling patterns, and a couple of them were even reinstated. So I do not see any logic here. |
blanksie | 05-15-2022 12:36 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzie
(Post 1192369)
Thing is that most of the suspended accounts did not have any high risk sales, and were going okay for months. After going down, few accounts were still intact, although doing absolutely the same selling patterns, and a couple of them were even reinstated. So I do not see any logic here. | My limited experience is that the bots/fraud system is more of a cudgel and not precise and surgical. I saw a seller rip ebay off for thousands, twice! 2 different accounts, exact same MO, same category of niche products, same photos, and ebay did nothing the 2nd time as it was unfolding over 4-8 weeks. I was shocked, but not surprised when the neg FB poured in saying what happened. Thieves just rinsed-and-repeated and got away with a few more $K after the initial $10K + scam. |
Roy3805 | 05-15-2022 12:39 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by blanksie
(Post 1192367)
I wonder if using a trackpad instead of mouse, opposite hand for mouse/trackpad, typing with one hand alters virtual fingerprint enough to throw off the bots? | That won’t really do anything lol
Watch this video https://youtu.be/sPTxWREPo9o |
blanksie | 05-15-2022 01:00 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy3805
(Post 1192373)
| Thanks for the vid link, that was eye opening.
Will changing device alter the fingerprint enough to be less suspect? 99% of my ebay activity was on a desktop, does switching to a new device like tablet or phone help? |
DENDEN76 | 05-15-2022 01:16 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night Theres extensions/add ons that can give you a new fixed fingerprint too...not sure if it will work though |
SaiJin | 05-15-2022 01:48 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by blanksie
(Post 1192372)
My limited experience is that the bots/fraud system is more of a cudgel and not precise and surgical. I saw a seller rip ebay off for thousands, twice! 2 different accounts, exact same MO, same category of niche products, same photos, and ebay did nothing the 2nd time as it was unfolding over 4-8 weeks. I was shocked, but not surprised when the neg FB poured in saying what happened. Thieves just rinsed-and-repeated and got away with a few more $K after the initial $10K + scam. | Which seller are we ta;king about? |
Roy3805 | 05-15-2022 09:30 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by blanksie
(Post 1192375)
Thanks for the vid link, that was eye opening.
Will changing device alter the fingerprint enough to be less suspect? 99% of my ebay activity was on a desktop, does switching to a new device like tablet or phone help? | A new windows user seems to be working so far |
ibracadabra88 | 05-20-2022 12:16 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night 160 accounts? I guess you have no free time bro |
Roy3805 | 05-20-2022 12:38 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by ibracadabra88
(Post 1192677)
160 accounts? I guess you have no free time bro | eBay is my main source of income |
ibracadabra88 | 05-20-2022 05:48 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy3805
(Post 1192681)
eBay is my main source of income | Congrats for all that great work, hard to get. |
Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy3805
(Post 1192681)
eBay is my main source of income | For how long you kept 160 fully operative?
All same items?
Managed on the same device? |
Roy3805 | 05-20-2022 03:30 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night I recently started in February, after all other creation methods failed with same user, using different Firefox portables to keep data seperate.
I kept seeing people recommend a seperate windows user for each account and it hasn’t gave me any issues.
All are on same device, if my first listing doesn’t get reactivate message then it’s good to go |
muzzie | 05-22-2022 09:39 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night I had no luck with different windows users. Created one account, all good, created second account - suspended almost instantly. Third one - suspended a bit later. What's the trick about windows users + firefox portable? |
Roy3805 | 05-22-2022 01:24 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzie
(Post 1192837)
I had no luck with different windows users. Created one account, all good, created second account - suspended almost instantly. Third one - suspended a bit later. What's the trick about windows users + firefox portable? | Is these USA accounts? |
muzzie | 05-22-2022 02:04 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy3805
(Post 1192862)
Is these USA accounts? | EU accounts. |
Roy3805 | 05-22-2022 02:52 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night Not sure about EU, but for USA ip and phone number is the most important for not getting reactivate/suspended after first listing assuming your using fresh personal details |
muzzie | 05-22-2022 03:18 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy3805
(Post 1192870)
Not sure about EU, but for USA ip and phone number is the most important for not getting reactivate/suspended after first listing assuming your using fresh personal details | Here we have widely available prepaid sims, so all the numbers used are real sim cards, no any virtual crap. |
Roy3805 | 05-22-2022 06:16 PM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzie
(Post 1192872)
Here we have widely available prepaid sims, so all the numbers used are real sim cards, no any virtual crap. | Are you browsing before listing? Listing right after creation is risky |
muzzie | 05-23-2022 12:23 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy3805
(Post 1192876)
Are you browsing before listing? Listing right after creation is risky | I create account, browse a bit, watch something, then list something cheap and generic after 1h. If account gets limited - that's all. If not - waiting for the item to sell, getting paid, then listing more of similar items. |
ilcarletto | 05-23-2022 03:32 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzie
(Post 1192837)
I had no luck with different windows users. Created one account, all good, created second account - suspended almost instantly. Third one - suspended a bit later. What's the trick about windows users + firefox portable? | wow that's weird... different windows users keep everything separated, you must be doing something wrong elsewhere |
muzzie | 05-23-2022 03:43 AM | Re: mass suspensions this night Quote:
Originally Posted by ilcarletto
(Post 1192899)
wow that's weird... different windows users keep everything separated, you must be doing something wrong elsewhere | Many people say that ebay links by fingerprinting, which is the same across all windows users. | All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:08 AM. | |
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