What is VERO ? Understanding VERO. So I can just vero anyone I want? Vero examples

411guru · #**199** 04-21-2008

I'm telling you guys, its competition reporting you. Or it could be the big company that makes the real stuff. I was once selling a google clone script, which basically for those who don't know, is a copy of googles website code. My listings got pulled because ebay said google turned me in. Funny, you'd never think a giant company like google would browse ebay.

mantisinc · #**200** 04-21-2008

I expect Google have employed people for every position possible

They probably took someone on just to check your username every few minutes :D

imjustme · #**201** 04-21-2008

I'm sure someone reported me to the VERO holder. If it was really the VERO holder checking the listings, he would have killed all my accounts. My listings make up about 90% of the listings with those keywords, so they would have seen it. And if they killed the listings with the proof of authenticity, they would have surely killed the ones without too.

There's only 1 other guy selling the same items in the same category. He rarely lists, but I noticed that every time he lists, my listings go down about a day after. So I reported him now, too. We'll see how he reacts when his listings go down too.

411guru · #**202** 04-21-2008

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There's only 1 other guy selling the same items in the same category. He rarely lists, but I noticed that every time he lists, my listings go down about a day after. So I reported him now, too. We'll see how he reacts when his listings go down too.

rofl......I do the same. I never report my competition because I believe in live and let live. But if you kill me, I'll kill you too. Enough listing pulls will get someone suspended.

princess12 · #**203** 04-21-2008

today I had my account suspended for selling 2 exercise equipments. both veros on a 1 yr old acount with 20 feedbacks. different name, city, state as my other account. the 2nd account I had 475 positives and 6 years old. that account hasn't been logged into over a year. these 2 accounts were suspended within minutes. both in differnt names, different paypal accounts, different address'. I never used the same internet account to access the other. one was accessed using a company pc and the other a person.

what do you think happened there. both items were set with a 750.00 bin.

GreenBean · #**204** 04-21-2008

Sounds like a nasty competitor.

ebayaintstupid · #**205** 04-21-2008

it should, according to EBAY rules, mean that the ones holding the right to the license can complain.

Why would a competitor be able to file a VERO complaint. They have no more rights than you.

I never understand EBAY's rules, and when I ask they are never any help. Oh well.

ebayaintstupid · #**206** 04-21-2008

I am getting to feel that the questions here sound like an interview.

How would you get around this problem, not because it actually happened to the person, but because they want to know for other purposes?

RBTL.

Did I coin that acronym?

**aspkin** · #**207** 04-21-2008

Rochester Broadway Theatre League?

jscan · #**208** 04-22-2008

hows exercise equipment vero ?

divine422 · #**209** 04-22-2008

...thats what i was thinking as well....

ovidiu · #**210** 04-25-2008

Well, any manufacturer, or heck, anyone at all can join the vero program. They can then have your listing pulled, claiming that item infringed their rights (I am not sure that eBay requires a thorough explanation). All they need is a "good faith belief that the item was infringing". As jscan said though, it's hard to see how vero applies to exercise equipment. However, I agree with ebayaintstupid....this sounds more like a interview than a real case. Why would eBay suspend you for selling a single exercise machine? We need the info that was left out......

divine422 · #**211** 04-26-2008

If thats the case everything on ebay is vero

ovidiu · #**212** 04-26-2008

Well, I guess just about anything can be counterfeited more or less successfully, so I would assume yes, just about everything can be pulled with a vero NOCI.

simplyjimbo · #**213** 04-26-2008

Products don't have to be counterfeit to be pulled they might not be licensed to be sold in your country.

Thereby these products are called parallel imports or grey products. Some manufacturers don't like say a us version being sold in the uk and vice versa or asian marketed goods imported in to europe etc.

ovidiu · #**214** 04-26-2008

Not sure the law actually allows them to have those items pulled, not explicitly, anyway. Usually it would need to be civil action (reasonably supported by the law) or a distribution contract. What I mean is that a lot of times companies don't have actually the letter of the law behind them, more like a lot of lawyers & bombastic, threatening language to try to intimidate people.

simplyjimbo · #**215** 04-26-2008

They do have the legal powers to do it under Trademark law. Microsoft, HP and Cisco have been this doing for years. IT resellers buying kit from asia and selling it in europe is a big problem. Quite a lot has gone to court here in Europe about it. Tesco even went to court as they were bringing in levis jeans from asia and selling them dirt cheap

The products in question may have been made manufactured to comply with the laws and customs of their place of origin, these products or their use may not comply with laws and safety regulations in places where they will be sold ie different power voltages.

Furthermore many companies can state that a warranty is not valid, however many products now have international warranties. What the manufacturers are trying to restrict is products that are being sold cheaply elsewhere in the world from being take to another country whereby the seller makes a killing or simply under cuts those that buy from country specific authorised distributors.

Ok some countries like NZ actually permit parrallel imports and do not enforce these restrictions under Trademark law, but here in europe the fight still goes on especially with electronics and IT products. However fundamentally it boils down to an infringement of the owners intellectual property.

ovidiu · #**216** 04-26-2008

Yes, these companies always bring up "trademarks" when it comes to the heavyweight cases. According to tabberone, they do it because eBay (and I assume most other internet sites) will not help the seller fight a trademark takedown. eBay will refuse to issue a counternotice for trademark violations. But when typing my reply, I was actually referring to the fact that a company doesn't have the right to outright stop you from selling something you bought in the good old U of A, assuming it was a legit item from the get go. Though most of them pretty much do think they have the right.

Jonas · #**217** 04-28-2008

How come eBay is filled with unlocked iphones then if that's against licensing?

ovidiu · #**218** 04-28-2008

Well, I'm guessing that's because the manufacturer (Apple) is getting the money for the unit, and in the end they don't care. Every other cell phone I know of is unlockable....it might be hard to explain to a court why the iphone should remain locked to AT&T. I think, in this case, that AT&T would be the party with an interest in removing listings, but they probably cannot do it without the authorization of Apple.

simplyjimbo · #**219** 04-28-2008

Apple seems to be getting on the grey product bandwagon with the iphone as shown here

Apple blocks cheaper UK iPod sales | Channel Register

ovidiu · #**220** 04-28-2008

That's interesting, now they're doing that crap, and over $30 a unit. Now, I dunno what the EU's laws are on grey market items, so it will be interesting to watch, should any of the retailers decide to fight. There was also a story on there that Apple was enjoying a great 2nd quarter due to sale of iphones that were purchased expressly for unlocking