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29% growth yesterday(17,224 new cases). NOT awesome.
2.5% serious/critical
1889 recovered.

https://i.imgur.com/RKPZOxK.png

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Italy, average death age was 80. The people dying from this are the old and sick, by HUGE margins. Isolating them, is the smart thing to do. The rest of us can get sick, and then create the herd immunity.

Yeah, continue the spread. That's the whole ****ing point. Unless they create a vaccine or cure, it will still spread for many many months, unless you lock up every single god damn person on the planet. So lock up everyone for months, the spread stops. THEN WHAT? Let them out, and start all over again? everyone stays home for 2 weeks, kills the momentum. and then what? Why do you think that solves the problem exactly? It just moves the problem ahead a few weeks. 2 weeks is NOTHING. 2 months is barely anything either. isolation doesn't work, for something without a cure or vaccine, that everyone can also get. The second you return back to normal, the spread returns back to normal.

It would be extremely cheaper to lock up the old and the sick. That way, the rest of us that might get the virus, can actually be treated at a hospital and be WAY more likely to get over the virus.

How is non of this common sense exactly? What we are doing now, will destroy the economy of the entire world. There is no ifs and or buts about it. It will happen. Period. The cure is worse than the disease, in no uncertain terms.

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I think you’re missing the point of the whole flatten the curve think that’s kind of popular right now.

In Italy yes was mainly the older generation who died yes, but it was also affecting a lot of younger people they just didn’t die but they still need to go ventilators and seek hospital treatment

The point isn’t to completely stop the spread because yes it would be impossible to get everyone stay inside for two weeks the point is to make sure that the peak number of infected people at any one time is within the ability of the healthcare system of the country to cope with hence flattening the curve. There are only so many hospital beds and so many ventilators so if everyone, as you would suggest, goes out and just carry on like normal then everyone would probably get sick about the same sort of time. Again all of this is simple common sense

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This is getting downright scary. I'm getting the impression that there are more older people in the death statistics because this virus kills older people faster than it kills healthy younger people. Deaths now outnumber recoveries in the USA nearly 2 to 1.

No other country is reporting a recovery rate anywhere close to what China reported, which leads me to believe China lied in the vast majority of their "recovery" cases. Their lies are criminal because they've caused the rest of the world to have unrealistic expectations when it comes to recoveries. The number of people dying in the rest of the world is alarming, and many of those deaths could have been prevented if China had been truthful with their reporting. The "just a flu" narrative has gone on for so long because the rest of the world is just now starting to understand how deadly of a virus this really is.

Worldwide death rate is now 16%. Without China's bogus statistics, it's :
54640 recoveries, 22130 deaths, which equates to a 29% death rate.

These are just my latest thoughts and I won't be arguing with anyone today about them.

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I think its a case of both under reporting fatalities and under reporting actual infection numbers. China just stopped counting one day

I do still expect that death rate to lower as more people recover, but with so many people catching it and recovering while and not begin counted in the stats its going to be impossible to know the actual %

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I haven't read the rest of your post yet, but THIS part is completely backwards.

I'm seeing...
Recovered: 2424
Dead: 1384

Where are you getting those crazy numbers? :confused:

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Again, the old and sick, are the ones putting a strain on the healthcare system, and THEY are the ones that are already trying to be the safest. The young and healthy would be extremely more likely to get over this virus, and it would in fact be just like the normal flu. You know, 50-80K deaths in America every year.

If you protect the sick and old, you can almost prevent any of them from getting it. So everyone else being normal, ( and I'm not saying we shouldn't social distance or not wash hands or anything. People will do it now, even if you don't tell them to) we will be able to actually maintain the health industry as it is, AND not crater the freaken economy. Young and healthy get sick, and they do need medical care. But not even remotely at the same rate as the old and sick. Let the peak number of infected rise. But prevent the most at risk, from being part of those numbers.

This would be safer and cheaper. Or else this is going to last for years, and we won't have a country left to do anything with, once we fix the virus problem.

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This is 10-15x more deadly than the flu, for EVERY age group. (on average)

Outside of that, I agree with most of what you're saying.

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That is literally exactly what you said. 'Carrrying on like normal' isn't social distancing.

You may want to read a bit more world news. Its not just the old and the sick that are getting admitted. Its also not just the old and sick dying. We had a fit and healthy 21 year old pass away in the UK and she wasnt the only one, just the youngest.

If everyone as your suggesting just went out and carries on like normal then in says 2/3 weeks time 60% of the population got sick, which is what projections are suggesting will happen if its left unchecked, then lets say 5% need to go to hospital that alone will cripple the hospitals. It would be near enough 10,000,000 people in the US aand chances are more than 5% would end up needing go be admitted.

The entire aim here is to try to keep the % of the overall population at any one time getting sick low, even if its dragged out for longer, it means that the strain on the hospitals is manageable. I dont understand how you need that explained.... again its just common sense.

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Boris Johnson and the UK health secretary have tested positive

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No comment on your wrong numbers above?

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Jesus Christ, I KNOW it's not just the old and sick. The young and healthy die from the flu as well! They are more likely to die from the flu, than this, actually.

The overall population getting sick isn't what the problem is. It's the people getting sick, THAT ARE AT THE MOST RISK, that would require more hospital and doctor services. Even if young and healthy get sick, They are not the ones clogging up the medical system right now.

I don't understand why you guys aren't understanding this. Yeah. They get sick. But are FAR FAR more likely to not even show symptoms, while the old and sick, will not only show symptoms, but will probably end up in the hospital. How are you people not recognizing the differences?

Yeah, let people go back to normal. Carrying on like normal. As in, not having lockdowns and threatening people with jail time. That kind of normal. Open up shops and businesses. We aren't ucking children. We will protect ourselves now that we understand what's going on. . But the ones that are at most risk, and are clogging hospitals, are going to be protected. ALl the while, we aren't destroying our economies.

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where did you get the numbers for every age group, this being 10-15times more deadly? And average doesn't really matter. Average, is the reason people still believe people only lived to 30 years old in the old days. Why average doesn't matter, is because the reason they only lived to 30 years, was because 8 in 10 kids died within a few years, which completely dragged down the average for all the people that lived till 80.

Just as in this situation, using averages is pointless. Separate them by actual age groups, and show me how deadly it is compared to the flu. And my point of comparing it to the flu, is that people died of the flu just as they are dying of this. Not that this is less dangerous than the flu. Using anecdotes to prove me wrong, because some 21 year old died, is meaningless, when 21 year olds die of the flu too.

But HOW MANY 21 year olds are dying of this? How many of the ones that are getting sick, are dying of this? How many 21 year olds already got sick and got over it, and we will never know, until we do testing for antibodies?

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Negative, Ghostrider!

Come one, James, you're letting me down as of recently. Your posts used to make the most sense, regarding this, but you seem to be getting some bad info lately.

Depending on age, Covid-19 is between 6 and 25x more deadly than the flu.

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Average, because I don't really care to list them all out here by age lol.

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Here. I'll do it for you. That is one hell of a curve. Isolate just the 80+ or even 70+, and the death rate would plummet.
https://i.insider.com/5e5fc740fee23d...jpeg&auto=webp

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I posted a couple hours before today's numbers were published on worldometers. They may seem crazy, but they're just the numbers that were published on that page a few hours ago.

Now it's at 1546 deaths, 2465 recoveries. So it's only off 2:1 by about 500 with the latest stats. The thing is though, these "recovered" people still seem to carry the SARS-CoV-2 virus and the symptoms it presents seem to be incrementally detrimental with each flare up. Like I said though, I'm not doing anymore arguing in this thread. I'm just a spectator. Only time will tell how this is going to play out.

One thing is for sure though - covid-19 is now officially killing 3x more Americans than the flu does each year.

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Here's a comparison of the progression of SARS vs. H1N1 (swine flu) vs. covid-19

https://i.postimg.cc/wTmMt6k9/sars-vs-covid-vs-h1n1.png

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lol.. you still have your numbers/head/thoughts reversed.

it's 1:2 deaths:recoveries

NOT 2:1

:doh:

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Good job! Now compare the numbers between the 2 and see where your statements were wrong. :)

Phuck the visual, do the math.

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When this is over, I hope countries come together and ensure China pays a high price. With 1.5 bn mouths to feed and vast infrastructure and institutions that demand $$ to maintain; it can't be that hard to pull the rug under their feet and send them crashing back to where they were 70 years ago.

Manufacturing can be decentralised to Europe, Asia and a few African countries.


They're selling fhake test kits to Spain while spreading conspiracies that the US had the virus problem first before they did.

By the time this is over, the world would have lost more money than what it would have cost to move manufacturing out of China.

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You, walkingupwards and Alex Jones walk into a bar...


Let me guess, 666?

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Rich China is better for the world economy. China doesn't have the technology to manufacture a virus like COVID-19.


How many countries were destroyed by various US administrations? Should people demand that Americans pay up for that? Absolutely not because the American people had no say when endless and useless wars were being waged.


The world had a time window of almost 3 months and didn't make any use of it. We saw the virus raging on in China and nobody did anything about it, so saying if China came out and told the world a bit earlier would have made a difference is b.s.


You are better off directing the rage at the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation rather bashing the victim :bird:

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A short statement, yet stunningly full of sh1t!


It doesn't take technology to run wet markets or eat stuff that should be left well on its own.

Nowhere near 6 million Jews.

No different from the Munich Agreement. They didn't see Hitler coming either.

Someday, I might be crazy enough to be enraged at such charitable people, but I'll not be inspired by a looney. :lol:

By the way, since you hate the US/west so much, have you thought about settling in China, Iran and N.Korea while spouting these sort of theories against these countries and see how long you remain a free man?

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I wonder if anyone on the forum has been hit with symptoms whether severe or mild of covid-19...

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I know a a few people. Seems everyone is doing good.

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Not myself but I have seen a neighbour with and and she ended up in hospital. She was 50 and in fairly decent health. Looked dreadful and was put on a ventilator, just for the night though and then made it home the next day. 3 days later and she was still looking pretty dreadful but she will have the best part of a week still until she is recovered.

Friends with 3/4 other people that have bought it but just the mild version as they are a lot younger so dont seem as effected.

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If you only knew how silly this statement is you wouldn't have made it :s

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So assuming those stats are accurate the US should just let around 1 million 60-69 year olds die and half a million 50-59 year olds? Along with maybe 30 million+ people needing hospital care over a month or 2?

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Fairly sure I had it back in feb.

At the peak of it I felt like I had glass in my lungs and throat when I breathed. Couldn't lift my head without pain. Had sleep sitting up rather than lying down as the pressure of gravity on my lungs hurt.

X-Ray showed I had bronchitis as a result.

I am waiting for the antigen test kit from amazon or boots so I can confirm I recovered from covid-19.

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Recent research seems to indicate that the virus COVID-19 can persist for 1 day on cardboard as well....hmm geez

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Whoever THEY are, they're too late. Anyone with common sense is leery of their mail.

I gather mine in bags and let it set for a few days before It ouch it.

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Video is pretty nuts, right?

US/China heading towards a Cold War by 2040 (do your business with them now while you can). The stuff happening in AU scares the $hit outta me personally, testing deportation prisons, top it off with how they treat, sinicize, disappear and deport Muslims is insane. The stuff the kids are brainwashed with in school in regards to Democracy = bad too. I read Document Number 9, it's actually somewhat relieving to know Xi is worried democratic political liberalization may get out of hand. It certainly is in HK - continuous riots and protests by the youth. The ideology may just spread enough that China will have a revolution on their hands and be forced into embracing an entirely democratic state. :clap:

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Coronavirus: Trump 'considering quarantine on New York'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52079121

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that would be awesome if so.:d

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Riot videos in Hubei fighting the lockdown removed on social media by CCP

Hubei Residents Riot After Quarantine Lifted; Police Beaten With Their Own Shield


One of the comments

I WONDER HOW LONG TILL HONG KONG AND HUBEI JOIN TOGETHER... SEEMS A GOOD TIME FOR A SOCIETAL RESET... CHINESE REVOLUTION??? WHAT COUNTRIES DO YOU THINK THIS COULDN'T HAPPEN IN🤔🤔🤔... 🇺🇸

Britain's HK is returning back to China in 2047 as long as HK gets to retain its freedom. But China is encroaching on them and they are rioting back.


https://i.imgur.com/ypzI1PY.jpg

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-...xactly-planned

"the U.S. looks like they are behind the rest of the world while China has things so under control, they can offer aid to neighboring countries. But what if the game was rigged in a manner that forced the U.S. to respond as slowly as we did?

On the Chinese side, it would be very simple to make this happen. The only thing the Chinese government would need to do is manipulate the infection/death numbers coming out of the country and hope the rest of the world trusts them.

Several days ago, I spoke with a Chinese national friend of mine who I have known and worked with for more than five years. His contention was that the Chinese government knew about the virus well before December 2019 and months before the rest of the world knew about it. He said he believed that the initial response was to try and cover it up before eventually having to acknowledge it on a global scale."

https://www.livescience.com/first-ca...rus-found.html

A 55-year-old individual from Hubei province in China may have been the first person to have contracted COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus spreading across the globe. That case dates back to Nov. 17, 2019, according to the South Morning China Post.

On Dec. 27, Dr. Zhang Jixian, head of the respiratory department at Hubei Provincial Hospital, reported to health officials in China that a novel coronavirus was causing the disease; by that day, it had infected more than 180 individuals.

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Decent last two days of 9% and 4% growth. Hopefully it's the start of a trend.
2.2% serious/critical

https://i.imgur.com/zqUkaSg.png