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If its just limited to 1,000,000 in the US that would be a job well done

Chances are looking like the infection rate is going to be in the 50/60% mark in the UK and the rest of Europe even with a lot of countries in lock down.

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This is how I know China's numbers are totally fictional:

China - 81032 cases, 3217 deaths, 67910 recovered = 4.5% case fatality rate
Italy - 24747 cases, 1809 deaths, 2335 recovered = 43.6% case fatality rate
Iran - 14991 cases, 853 deaths, 4590 recovered = 15.6% case fatality rate
USA - 4093 cases, 69 deaths, 12 recovered = 85% case fatality rate
France - 5397 cases, 127 deaths, 12 recovered = 91.3% case fatality rate
UK - 1551 cases, 37 deaths, 21 recovered = 63.7% case fatality rate
Switzerland - 2200 cases, 14 deaths, 4 recovered = 77.7% case fatality rate
Netherlands - 1414 cases, 24 deaths, 2 recovered = 92.3% case fatality rate

It doesn't add up. Even if you factor in the fact that it started taking off in China a month before anywhere else, there still shouldn't be such a huge discrepancy in CFR's. With as quickly as fatalities are racking up in the rest of the world, coupled with the fact that no other country is reporting "recoveries" at the rate China did, it would seem that China's true CFR would have to at least be in the low double digits.

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Pointless post, but it's an interesting comparison regardless.

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Certainly terrifying numbers - I think a week, maybe 2, from now when Europe is deeper into it we will start to see the real morality rate.

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Yup. A lot of factors aren't showing up in our number.

Not every person is/has been/can get tested. Also, a ton of people walking around with it only experiencing sniffles, so no testing.

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I Have a family member that is living with me right now, she works in the hospital as a freaking nurse, I have told her to take a month off, to cut off the link, and she is not having any of it, she is not even under a contract, so she can work when ever she wants.. She has a huge nest egg too, I told her she has to leave if she doesnt at least scale back her work hours. Im sure im not the only one in this kind of situation

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Why don't you post up south korean and Japanese numbers?they are even lower.korea with only 1% and japan is 2%.
iran was followed all chinese plan and it much lower then western

I told you: you don't know chinese convention at all,we fear the death very much.
when GOV tell you wear mask,99% people wear next day,GOV tell you to stay at home,98% people stay at home,thats it ,no army force no police shooting,we just stop moving.

while obviously in western ,people don't care about that,my step father-in-law is a british living with my mother-in-law rural london,I warned him million times to pay attention on this thing do not go into town do not go to bar wear mask blabla he just laughing at me said I was way too nervous on that.
he still going out everyday til today's conversaiton with him.I am worried about him a lot and I told them to book a test to make sure they not get the infection.

CHINESE DEFENSE OF COV vs WORLD is a totally different story man,stop doubting that,any such virus won't kill as lot as western in here because yes the people here are way too nervous on that and will act crazy on that.believe it or not I told you that,100% personally.

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That is a very good point Turbo

China is a lot better when it comes to compliance with government policies than we are in the West. Having said that I do expect that the numbers in China are higher than reported.

It certainly would be interesting to see the Japaneses and Korean mortality rate.

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Why wouldn't she be? More than possible

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I left out Japan because I suspect Japan isn't being honest either. Japan was one of the first countries outside China to report infections. Japan is small and very densely populated. It doesn't make sense that after 3 months Japan still has less than 1k confirmed cases. Even still, there reported case fatality rate is nowhere close to 2%.

Japan - 825 cases, 27 deaths, 144 recovered - 15.7% case fatality rate
South Korea - 8236 cases, 75 deaths, 1137 recovered - 6.1% case fatality rate

The Chinese statistics still don't make any sense.

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Im not a snowflake, stop watching Alex jones, he's a nutjob and not good for your metal health. She works in the NHS.

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yes mate its true numbers no more/less then 10% correction rate.
they still lying on many things nowdays but on this thing they don't have that courage to lie,there are millions of western foreigners in china nowdays,as It said it not like 30 years ago.china is under world spy know,to take joke or falsehood on such serious health incident will result a huge punishment from the world after it resulting serious bad outcome.the chinese GOV basicly a business man now they don't wanne loose customers whichs every country in the world.this virus kill people man,they wouldnt be that stupid to hide any numbers and make it looks ok then send people out to infecting others or get others in to infect them.this gonne lead to their parth perish if they dare to do this.

just carry on,I heard US today established 2000+ express infection test station,then infection numbers should come up fast and dilute the death %,it should be similer to china in few weeks I believe,lets watch.

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HAHA, another successful trigger post. That makes two.

The hate is good, didnt expect any less from Americans - dont direct it at me though, it was meant as discussion. I believe in self sufficiency and conservatism, because if things go to $hit, the government can't and won't be there for you. Little aggressive, eh? ecommerce would be one of the first to go to $hit, talk about farming - my neighbor across from me owns 70 acres of open land. Food for thought post, weighing the benefits and drawbacks of communism. The left and right battle is a ying and yang, when the country needs it, the dominant party will take over. When it doesn't, the opposite party takes the drivers seat. It's all for progression either way. It bleeds innovation, which is why US has done so well compared to China and Russia. They are prehistoric in many ways, and do not implement change as rapidly.

Communism works in China because it is so vast and mostly hills, mountains rivers and farmland, plus many different cultures are there, 50+. Geographically and demographically they are at a disadvantage, so even if Democracy was fully implemented, it would not work well outside of the central hubs like the main cities. It has its advantages, may be frowned upon in US but does not make it an nonviable option elsewhere. Corruption is inevitable, Putin is wealthiest man on the planet, may as well be run by the mafia. Government officials in China create phake people and collect their paycheck. Here we can take advantage of each other with little thought but shake hands and act friendly. That is the ugly truth. When cards are down and the going is tight, see what your friends and neighbors are really like. Hell, just watch black friday footage! :lol:

Not saying Democracy is not the best way to go for Human Rights. It will always be best for you if it can work. Freedom is not given, it can only be taken. Survival is at the core of all of us.

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I think she means contracted hours which is quite common for bank nurses in the NHS

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She is an NA sorry. And Yes JamesNorth you are correct its called Bank. No contract. And she NEVER gets sick, its incredible.

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I just read again your quote

China - 81032 cases, 3217 deaths, 67910 recovered
so you calcuated the fatality rate not only the case/death rate.

I see now I think have the answer for you
because china opened up nearly 20 Temporary quarantine points,it for people with minor symptoms like low temp fever and not serious at all .they call them hosital as well and counted these self-healing people into cases and recovered.

I believe in other countries most of these people been ordered to treat at home and not counted in recovered only in cases.

does this make sense?

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so the recovered number in china is senseless because of we have too many offical quarantine point and those minor cased been counted in.
so if you only caculate the death rate with cases/deaths it not looks that unbelievble any more right?

China - 81032 cases, 3217 deaths, 3.97% death rate
Italy - 24747 cases, 1809 deaths, 7.30% death rate
Iran - 14991 cases, 853 deaths, 5.69% death rate
USA - 4093 cases, 69 deaths, 1.68% death rate
France - 5397 cases, 127 deaths, 2.35% death rate
UK - 1551 cases, 37 deaths, 2.38% death rate
Switzerland - 2200 cases, 14 deaths, 0.66% death rate
Netherlands - 1414 cases, 24 deaths, 1.69% death rate

right now with rate the china was in middle,which make a lot sense to Learn from?

I believe the death rate in USA will be keep under 3% since it still has the best medication system in the world,much better than china.once it acting up it will be a better job.
but for italy and iran could be suffering.italy short on crew number s and iran really short on medical supply and tech..since it been tech blocked for so many years...

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yes buddy very true I respect all that
on this virus thing if china GOV don't go crazy blockade for people moving,the medical system will be blowed and there will be a slaughter from COV,the death rate will go crazy.I know how the medical system over here,it much better than 30 years ago but still have a long way to go compare to US system.so I say the way chinese fight this are so different and hard..it left no chiose on this country's situation.the gov did picked the right move.saved a lot of people really.

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The ending of this blockade whichs death number conrolled,virus kicked out.
but in exchange the economic totally crashed.
until now the major entertainment(cinema,theater,Karaoke,bar,pub lodge),major sports center(basketball,football all sports league),large restaurants still unable to open up.
many of them facing Bankruptcy.the non-performing asset ratio from bank reached 50 years high.30% people losing their job or business.

and oh for me,I get 3 MC011 and 2 limited paypals from my well built 2-3 years accounts due to lack on shipping,I ordered a new car last year and it due to arrive on april,well I have to give dealer my 50000rmb deposit away and given it up.:noidea:

and and and as you all see there are so many chinese immigrants over the world especially in Nth america and europe.guess what?yes some trying to back home to evade.they could bring this back to home again anytime..so we still under very high spreading risk.
but as this is china,you cant really close the border (thats suicide).the import/export business already crashed like in hell.what choise do we have.

I now pray everyday that the world get rid of this shxt asap,non-of us will be stay away from this shxt.gonne fight it hard.