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Hoping the Warriors finally get their Stadium built in SF. Both where the A's and the Warriors play is right next to one of the worst places in Oakland. "Felix the Cat" Mitchell use to have his drug ring just blocks away.

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Hah Drug Ring...Pro-sports vicinity...coked-up players ...win :FF:

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James is the MVP,no doubt

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Will depend on who wins teedon :)

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We know he is but for some reason media is pushing durant big time.

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Durant is fresh blood - media trying to make a matchup out of it

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Thunder messed up they should have shipped out Westbrook and kept Harden. Would have been like the Bulls trading Pippen. Westbrook is a nice player. But Guards are a dime a dozen in the NBA. Harden is a big time scorer who get to the line all the time. Honestly I can't believe the Thunder were that stupid. Making that deal if you ever listen to Durant probably cost them any chance of ever resigning him.

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I agree. Thunder needed his style of playing to get them to the next level.
Now I do not think they have a player who can step up and score consistently when Durant is held or having a bad night.

Miami wins because of James but they win rings because someone else steps up any time they need it. OKC does not have that player any longer.

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They couldnt keep playing together though I had thought

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Cant believe no big trades this year at all.

Thought we would see the Bulls, Thunder, Mavs make some moves.

Bulls got a deal with Turner but still not enough.

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Lot of teams seem to have just given up on this season

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The pacers got turner, not the bulls.

My money is on Indiana this year or the thunder.

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Sorry you are correct. I think it was a deal as Granger is very lazy and Turner is not.

Thunder wont go anywhere, they need another solid player and just lost Perkins.

Indiana needs a big man, Hibbert cannot handle most centers on good teams.

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Indiana is still not set

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Heat vs Pacers is a lock in the East. The East sucks overall. The West is another story. Lots of potential upsets based on Matchups. I am a Warriors fan if the face certain teams (Clippers, Portland, Phoneix) they could advance. Rocket, Thunder, Spurs all prove different issues to different teams. I don't see any clear cut teams in the West. If Memphis get back in and Gasol is healthy that could be a hell of a problem for some teams.

The West really is the Wild West. I like certain teams but each team has such different strengths. You might as well just flip a coin. With my Warriors it is all about how healthy will Bogut be.

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Would like to see Toronto do something special hah

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Didn't realize Toronto even had a winning record. Had to look at the roster I wasn't sure who was even on the team.

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32-26 as of date...top of the Atlantic conference but...in the East, which - as you stated - does suck overall

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The raptors are cold. Valuncianias, Ross, derozan, Lowry.

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I agree. Heat and Pacers and in the west going to be hard to beat out the Spurs or the Thunder. Portland is a key player away yet.

GS does not have enough rebounding strong men to get deep into the playoffs. Hitting 3s all game long does not win championships.

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You are Absolutely right about that one. Andrew Bogut would have to be able to play significant time. When he actually plays they are a different team.

The West is going to be wild. The Rockets have a ton of talent. They could be the wild card in the whole thing. I still won't even count out the Mavericks. They surprised everyone a few years ago by winning. As long as they have Dirk they could go on a run as well.

My guess is even the first round with the 1 playing 8 seed and 2 playing 7 seed in the West are going to be 6 game series. Heat and Pacers will probably sweep their respective series.

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Cold indeed. Derozan

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Pacers can beat the Heat in a long series. IF Wade cannot play without being hurt. Having Oden gives the Heat that big bruiser in the middle that can take up space.

I believe a three peat is coming unless someone gets real lucky.

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Pacers shutting down the Heat to come out of the East would be something special.

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Would be hard to do I think. If Wade gets injured again or they lose someone it would be the only way.

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LBJ just dropped 61 :)

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Lbj > Jordan

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Big claim there hah

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One heck of a performance.

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He is the closest thing to Jordon.

Has more skills then Jordon just need to put up more years of doing what he is doing to get up there.

If his health is good, 3-4 more years and I see him being as equal if not passing MJ.

And I always said no other player in NBA history did what MJ did overall.

Then comes Lebron.

Bigger, stronger, more physical, great defense etc. Total package.

Had he left Cleveland 2 year earlier he would have been moving right up to being close already. Staying there has hurt him.

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61 with a broken nose and cannot breathe correctly.

Not too shabby.

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I still say Kobe and lbj > Jordan. Didn't like all 3 of them, but yea, scoring ability, Kobe. All around player, lbj. Call me crazy, but I always thought Jordan was overhyped for ads like Nike.

He had lots of favored calls, such as that one shot he made over the jazz. Used his hands to push off. I was like wtf was that? That's an offensive foul!

But yea, top 2 players has to be Kobe and lbj.

I'm not going to say where Jordan ranks. There's tons of other good players u can make an argument for. What about Kareem? Magic? Bird? Malone? Kareem and Malone are the top 2 in overall scoring, way ahead of Jordan.

I don't know, I wasn't as big on Jordan as everyone else.

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I couldn't stand Jordan when he played. But Kobe was the biggest cry baby ever for fouls and what not. For most of Jordan's career the NBA was still a physical sport where you had to battle for positing and what not.

I think James could have played at a high level in the late 80's and early 90's. Not so sure the Kobe could of. Kobe was given a long time to develop because Shaq another player I couldn't stand. Was so dominant. I swear that man got mugged every game for about 6 years.

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@vogeltron

Who got mugged every 6 years? About Kobe crying for not having fouls, that's one of the reasons why I think Kobe is better than Jordan. Kobe got hacked tons of times and I didn't see a call. Went to 7 finals appearances, won 5. Jordan went to 6, won 6. Kobe had a better FT%, don't know about overall fg% yet, but yea, Kobe had the 81 point game. There are more stats I can use to back me up, but I don't feel like looking it up. LOL. But just on those alone, most people say it's close. I'll say Kobe is way better than Jordan.

And no, I can't stand Kobe either. I was rooting for Sacramento during the WCF against the Lakers that year.

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Shaq got mugged for years. I mean the guy got fouled nearly every time he touched the ball. Kobe is cry baby. He forced Shaq out then complained he never had any players. Lebron James personally carried the Cavaliers for years to the NBA Finals and deep in the Playoffs. He never had any help in Cleveland and when he left the team had the worst record in basketball.

I don't know how to compare Jordan and Lebron. But James is way way way more important to any team than Kobe will ever dream of being. Not to mention Kobe was always a black hole. Forcing up dumb shots, etc. James always has his teammates involved very good passer.

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Managed to watch the highlights of the 61 game - that was impressive...especially with the 3s

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Whether you like him or don't like him that's one thing but anyone who says Jordan isn't the greatest player ever doesn't know basketball. Period.

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I research list of the greatest players ever and Jordon was no 1 on them all.

2 through 10 were mixed.

Kobe was only mentioned one time at no 9 on any of them.

Kobe is not even in my top 25. His early rings were handed to him by Shaq.

Do not forget, Jordon was in Chicago and started the ball rolling why Kobe benefited by being in LA.

Kobe in the same place as Jordon would be lucky to get a ring.

Lebron has the overall skills far better then any player I have ever watched play the game. So many things he can do in every category that no other player has or can do.

He can shut down anyone. Can rebound with anyone. Can run a fast break. Can score anywhere on the floor. Just so much he can do that other players can or could not do.


LOL Kareem should never be on any list. One trick pony. Lazy, do not get to half court to play defense most of the game. He should not be listed on the same page as Russell or Chamberlain.

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Wow, Vogeltrons Warriors beat the Pacers.