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Trump now wants to raise money, lol, he wouldn't spend his own money. Trump/Hilary same politician, slightly different selling line, no democracy.

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Again, what you value is your own choice - your implication about "respectable reputation" again, is your own opinion. Anyhow, it's an open thread so whatever goes.

:focus:

Back to matters at hand, I would find it amusing if did indeed go with Vince McMahon as some photos around the Net are circulating hah....doubt it will happen but would be an increase in the mockery of his campaign.

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Yankee,

While I generally agree with your political views, I don't think anyone hear has posted "valueless" opinions. Honestly, have you looked at the Facebook comments on any Trump related news? If not, I highly recommend it, because that is the very definition of "valueless" conversation. Those idiots can't spell correctly, have no idea of current events, and think that if you support Trump you're a racist misogynistic bigoted evil Lucifer worshiping poor people hating individual who ever walked the earth.

At the very least, rsot has contributed a great deal to the forum, and he's presenting his views in a respectful manner. He might not be completely up to date on current US politics, but as he is Canadian, I think that's forgivable. :)

If we're going to attack someone, let's at least make sure the target is deserving of it. I think you know someone who does, and they aren't an Exec member. ;)

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No way.


Ventura would be put of his depth.

Trump may need to look at a VP who is less put there.

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A Woman President? - Presidential Gender Watch

Ah well.


:typing:

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My attack is not on his opinions of this thread, but his contributions in general. We could debate the quality of contributions of his 40,000 posts:rolleyes: You are right though, not the right thread :surrender:

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Not quite...

Compare his campaign funding to Romney and Obama.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/

In total, Trump has only had some 13 million and change spent by outside groups FOR him. Quardurple that has been spent AGAINST him.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/c...p?id=N00023864

Compare to Hillary:

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/c...p?id=N00000019

Just look at them side by side:

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/index.php


Now, are you REALLY going to argue that these are "the same"? LOL!

Also, let me ask you: Which person do you think will be more conservative on spending taxpayer money and more likely to pay down federal debt? The guy who's self funding, spending far less, and ALREADY the nominee, despite facing 17 other candidates, or the woman who has spent FAR more money and still can't beat ONE nearly dead socialist?

That's a rhetorical question BTW.

Social issues are irrelevant when the economy is screwed. No one cares what bathroom you're using when they can't get a job. Or rather, I should say, when people have money to take care of themselves and their families, they couldn't care less what you do privately. When they DON'T have money, that's when these social issues become a big deal....because it's that one little thing that just rubs them the wrong way when they are ALREADY having bad day!

Just my 2 cents.

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rsot: Here's why:

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Thanks GoA - so they will continue to support the party but not the potential leader.

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NRA has to really take it to the streets to stop the gun grab then.

It was a debacle in OZ when the gun laws were repealed.

Mind, alternative arrangements were made by many who owned firearms. We were no exception.
To accomodate the princal of the massacre has cost Australian tax payers approx US$22 million dollars... in the name of Justice , NOT.

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A lot of Aussies that I have talked to since it happened said it was a very brave move my the Aus government at the time and retrospectively most of them think it was the right move.

I have only spoken to 5/6 mind you about it so they may well not reflect the overall mood of the country

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I have thousands of Australian clients and pretty much all of them feel they lost freedoms and the country moved extreme in the wrong direction.

Keep in mind nearly 100% of my clients are outdoorsman. Very few liberal city slickers. Most are business owners, landowners, cattle ranchers with many also being civil servants such as firefighters.

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That is interesting to know thanks Yankee

I always have found the US attitude to gun ownership something so different to the UK (and the rest of the EU) that is hard to relate with how much you feel about them.

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Those that did not have, need or use firearms went along like sheep to the slaughter.

Those whose life involved firearms are still fighting today.

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The US people must ensure their rights to bear firearms are NOT taken away.

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The problem with outlawing firearms is that when you do it, only criminals own them.

Think about it. Say you implement a 5 year prison sentence for owning a gun. Great, except for the guy planning on using it illegally, to say, rob a liquor store, he's going to get at least 10-20 if caught, so whoop de doo! What these laws do is tell every criminal that they can pull a gun with CERTAINTY that they will not be oppsed with equal force.

The guns are ALREADY here in America. It's not even as though they have to go through a bunch of black market crap to get them. Outlawing them would just get rid of the law abiding citizens guns. The fact is, even pacifists benefit from having the ability to get guns, because no criminal wants to break into a house that may have someone with a shotgun in it. Unless you advertise that you don't own a gun, just that subconscious though (what if they have a gun?) deters a LOT of crime.

If you have any doubt, take a look at Chicago as an example....

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People tried to present that pov, GOA, in Australia.

No luck at all.

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If the American people are stupid enough to vote in a woman who has promised to abolish the rights promised by the Constitution, well, they deserve what's coming to them.

As for me, I'll ship my product to FBA and move somewhere else.

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Belize is not too far away to be considered.

:coffee:

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how many mistakes or accidents happen with firearms, eg. kids firing them....how likely are you do die by accident or in a crossfire than a genuine intruder/self-defense incident? I do not know, but it seems you have alot of gun deaths that would not happen if the guns were outlawed....

the thing about only criminals having them is partially true I think, it is like that in UK, but because guns are not a part of life here, criminals do not routinely own them, they are harder to get hold of, and most common criminals would not have one....it is only hardcore ones. Bottom line is far less gun dealths per capita, figures speak for themselves.

thing is in US, you have a stash of guns that would not be handed in, so I suppose it is true, law abiders would be gunless vs crimininals...it would need a massive crackdown indepth......it would be worth it in the long run though..

my fear would be everyday life in the US, you get in to a road rage incident in UK, you know they do not have a gun in their bag, and if they are having a bad day, I would be scared of upsetting anyone......if I am a teacher that has to tell off a strange-minded pupil in UK, it does not enter my head that they could come back armed....

gun lobby people are insular and should live abroad for a wider perspective...

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Been proven outlawing firearms does not stop issues.

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Yes in the US that would be exactly the issue. There are just so many guns about that trying to remove them would be a total waste of effect and you would end up just making criminals of a lot of people who don't want to use the guns for illegal activities but also will just not give up their guns.

In the UK not very many gun crimes occur because they are much less readily available. Comparing the 2 is like apples to car types. Worlds apart.

I just find the entire thing pretty interesting how in the US guns make people feel very safe. I have always looked at it from the point of view that I feel really safe not having guns and knowing that no one else has guns. Neither is the right POV just different prospectives on the same issue.

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We were also founded off the principle of defending ourselves against a overreaching government (which, ironically, was England at the time).

The reason we have the right to bear arms is so the government stays in check, ironic they are the ones pushing to outlaw them....

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Realistically the people of the US are not exactly going to storm the the White House if they feel that the government is starting to overreach.

The primary reason for everyone being allowed guns originally was so if the red coats came back militia could easily be mobilized back in the day

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There is nothing wrong with allowing this long standing Constitutional right to continue.

I =}

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That is quite arguable both ways James.

Some statistics show that American Households have more guns than all other countries militia combined. It averages 7 per household according to the same studies.

Now these studies are quite biased so who knows for sure.

I am not much of a gun guy myself. I shot my first firearm this past february on a night time hog hunt in Georgia where archery tackle just was not suitable for removing nuisance hogs.

With that being said the idea that my government both state and Federal want to remove my civil rights and confiscate my property pissed me off to the point I changed my domicile to a quite free state and have now also applied for my Utah carry permit as well.

I resided in a state that has 101 more gun laws than any other and where you need a permit to buy powder, never mind a shotgun or shell. To get a permit to own or purchase the most simplest of firearms required a gun course(hundreds of dollars), hunters education course, 2000 word essay, two meetings with the chief of police, a $400 bi-annual fee and several months. The most unconstitutional state in the Nation. Also happens to be the only state that has a natural depopulation. Coincidence? I doubt it...

So I absolutely own plenty of guns purchased in the past few months all from the shear principle that the government wants to take them away from law abiding citizens. It also happened at a time in my outdoors career to broaden my horizons a bit.

If you look at the largest gun grabs across the world in modern history, all seem to be from socialists and communist headed countries with the exceptions of Canada and Australia.

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That is saying that you don't already consider either of those countries edging socialist already, especially Canada being the largest employer is the Government and exceedingly high provisional/Federal taxes to cover wages and healthcare.

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I doubt theres more than 5 cases a year of someone breaking into someones house with a gun in the UK. Are there less than that in the US then?

legal guns+no help for mental health=boom.

And heres the stats for after Australias gun law reforms, looks quite conclusive:
Australia’s 1996 gun law reforms: faster falls in firearm deaths, firearm suicides, and a decade without mass shootings -- Chapman et al. 12 (6): 365 -- Injury Prevention

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I have never owned a gun nor fired a gun. But I will say that govt telling me that I cannot own a gun would piss me off. I feel that one day I may decide that I want a gun or need a gun to protect my property or family. I might decide I want one in case the zombie apocalypse breaks out. Who knows. But whether I exercise this freedom or not, it is not one that I want taken away.

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Many US Citizens, even conservatives, do agree that we need to cut our military spending.

Even Donald Trump, whom you are obviously against, has said we should either charge allies for our protection (thus eliminating the cost of foreign bases) or pull out of some of these countries.

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I can not help but notice there are some biased snide comments running through this thread.

We got given the chance to "chat" on the election.

We were not given the chance to infer a lack of equality or goodness of US citizens.

:peace:

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The Trump train just keeps on rolling..

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I think this is the first thread I have seen to get just 1 star!

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It happens to be my favorite "Everything Else" thread.

I'm going to vote and move that star up to 3. :p

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I have to say I think its been a great thread. I am really glad its been allowed and also not gotten too out of hand (thank you to all the posters for that!)

Upto 4 stars now

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I'll vote it up.. :)

Politics talk. I like it. I figured members here would be very political out spoken.. I was right. :)

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I hated the idea but ended up liking it :) I am especially intrigued at how other countries view and perceive the USA.

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It still has had damaging comments made towards users.

Bear in mind a written word has more power than face to face talk.