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I am really not a fan either tbh.

The problem with both the candidates is that so many people dislike them. It seems like a decent % of people will be voting for Clinton to keep Trump out and vise versa

Personally I quite like bits of both of them, but there is also a lot of both of them I do not like. Thankfully I do not have to decide which one to vote for!

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It really comes down to one thing.

Do you want the country to become more socialist with less rights and void out our constitution that limits government and not people(nothing at all like anywhere else in the world) or do you want to take a step back and restore the ideologies of the bloodline of the USA.

Now populous says Jobs, economic, security but it still comes right down to the roots of the USA.

One is arguably anti American and the other is Pro American Values with a modern and moderate stance.

Personally myself, I want a 180 degree turn around but in our modern America, that is not realistic as far as winning a general election.

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The other and maybe BIGGEST factor against Killary is the more than half the population no longer trusts Federal and also to a large degree local Government. Clinton is a career politician in every meaning of the definition. She has grown rich off the teet of the american taxpayer.

Right now, as of today, 58% really hate that. The people as a majority want an outsider.

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They need to be careful about who/what they wish to have govern the USA.

We live in changing times.

=}-

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Trump will win pretty big in California which is yet to come and 100+ delegates. Very similar Republican voter to the East Cost primaries Trump won last night.

If Trump wins Indiana I think its over.

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Wonder whom Trump will pick as running mate?

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My speculation would be Chris Christe. Personally, I think it would be cool to have two non-career politicians run together.

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Not only that, he will be scooping up a ton of unbound delegates. Currently he has more than 50 floating over his score plus the majority if not all of PA's

I think he will make it as long as things go smoothly in IN and his traction certainly seems to be holding and growing.

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Interesting take - I have to read up on this Christe

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Either he or Ben Carson are my top two picks (and hopes). In the not unlikely even the CIA assassinates Trump, either would make good alternatives, IMHO. Also Carson is good "insurance" against that circumstance, as he is by far the most conservative man who was running. And it would be wonderful to show Americans that the problem with Obama isn't his race, it's his policies. Nothing wrong with a black president at all, but the man himself is terrible.

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Check your facts.

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I can't wait for the Trump Wall to go up at the border, maybe I can go work on the wall and get paid in Mexican Pesos.

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lol you do know Trump has said NOTHING negative about LEGAL immigrants, right? =}-

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And before some became legal they were illegal....Don't forget, Mexico only sends the worst....

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Well, I don't know of any countries that welcome ILLEGAL American immigrants.....

Every country has borders. Without them, there is no country.

Those who go through the process to legally become citizens are under no threat. Mexicans have no more of a right to live here than I do to live in Mexico. Both countries have legal processes to become citizens or to apply for temporary residency, just like literally EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

I really do not understand the backlash against common-sense policy. Name one country where Americans can illegally immigrate to with absolutely 0 punishment. Where is this entitlement coming from? We've had the same immigration policy for decades, the only difference is Trump wants to enforce it.

If you look at the laws (Which Trump had NOTHING to do with creating), they are pretty clear. The only thing Trump would change is the ENFORCEMENT of the laws that ALREADY exist!

Now, with that in mind, please come up with a rational argument against him or tell me in what way the above is "racist". I'm genuinely interested in hearing your thoughts, as I respect you and I know you're quite intelligent and well-spoken, so if there's anyone who can formulate an argument that will sway me, you'd be it.

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seriously? There are people who immigrate LEGALLY, and people who immigrate with NO INTENTION TO BE LEGAL

so now with that fun fact, lets do a little play of logic

Group A) immigrants who come legally
Group B) immigrants who have no intention to be legal

What group do you think holds the most lawless thugs?


Get a clue, people. Mexico ISNT sending their best over our current wall. Don't turn a play of words into a lack of logic. OBVIOUSLY MEXICO ISNT SENDING ANYONE. Mexico as a whole doesn't conspire to send people here.

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MM78 is Mexican himself, so this topic is a bit personal. Let's try to be understanding and respectful of the viewpoints of others.

Perhaps he or his family, or friends, were once illegal with every intention of getting citizenship, but due to the process taking time, were not legal immediately.

While I agree with you on most points, let's not pretend the above scenario has never happened. Not defending illegal immigration, but I am trying to understand the viewpoints of someone I respect.

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Apart from countries in the EU!!
EU referendum slam

Illegal migration is something we do suffer with as well in the UK, not quite to the same degree as the UK though. Thankfully we have a giant moat around us!

I know it would annoy me quite a bit if a lot of illegals were always crossing into the country when others have spent years going about getting the right to live in the UK legally.

Then again I have to wonder what I would do in their situation? I am not really sure. I was lucky enough to be born on this bit of land not a bit of land 2000 miles away

Best not to speculate like that IMO. People can have opinions on things without a direction connection. I think the wall is a bit of a dream really and is unlikely to ever happen. That is my opinion even though I am not in anyway effected by it

If it ever does happen though I will want to see it!

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If you watch the protests in California this past week you get a much better idea of how illegal immigrants effect some economies.

Watching several hundred people wave the mexican flag and some people smashing police cars and breaking down barriers is an eye opener.

What the insane things is, what the heck are non voting populations of illegal immigrants even thinking protesting and doing damage to private and city property? Makes people realize the problem is really a problem. Definitely does not make that group look good to american voters.

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The funny thing is, and this may well just be coincidence, every time there are massive violent protests from the left at a Trump rally, Trumps poll #'s go up OR he over-performs in the election (if a new poll is not released between the protest and the election date).

Like I said, could just be coincidence, but I believe most Americans would prefer to have someone they disagree with running than live in a totalitarian fascist state like the "progressive" protesters dream about.

Thank God for freedom of speech!

(Note that I am not against "progressive" leaning people, only those who are violent and/or seek to silence those who do not agree with their worldview)

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[quote=yankee;767308]If you watch the protests in California this past week you get a much better idea of how illegal immigrants effect some economies.

Just curious, if you saw me on TV....would you say that I was an illegal immigrant? How can you tell which of those people on TV were illegal immigrants?

Just a quick question, have any of you ever met an illegal immigrant? if so, what were they like?

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I married one....

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If you were smashing cars, destroying property, and assualting people, yes, absolutely. What person who legally immigrated to this country would act like that? I would NEVER act like that if another country (Canada, for the sake of argument) I had immigrated to LEGALLY had a politician who said he would stop ILLEGAL immigration. Why would you bite the hand that fed you?

Yes, most of them don't speak English at all. Hard to judge character based on that though, as you can't have a conversation, but the fact that they were unwilling to learn the local language does not leave a positive impression on me.

Very few Americans dislike Mexican people....(In my experience). But when there is a shortage of jobs, people need SOMEONE to blame. Is illegal immigration the root cause of the unemployment rate? Of course not! But does it have some effect? Absolutely. The problem comes when people become so upset that they blame everything on one person or one group of people. The economy isn't in a vacuum. Everything works in conjunction.

That said, you don't see "right wing" people acting like this.....why is that? What's the worst thing a "conservative" has done against a liberal? Refuse to bake a cake? :pound:

Obviously I'm being factitious, there is a HUGE history of racism and violence on both sides, but if you look at the past decade, overwhelmingly the actual physical violence has come from the "progressives", while the "violence" from conservatives is pretty much stating an opinion that disagrees with their own.

You don't see conservative people rioting in the streets over illegal immigration or gay marriage, for example. But express an opinion that disagrees with that, you'll be fired from your job and have people harassing and assaulting you. Why is that? Why does the group preaching tolerance have absolutely none to offer themselves?

I'm not grouping you in with them MM78, but you mentioned the theoretical inclusion, so I'm theoretically grouping you there. But I highly doubt you behave like this lunatics, so please don't take it that I assume you do. :p

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To be honest about the facts of what I am talking about...

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Anybody else got money riding on the elections?

I've got cash sitting on an over 6% margin of victory in IN. I bought it 5 days ago though, so I got it quite cheap.

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I am not getting into Politician A vs Politician B, but I must admit this will probably be the MOST INTERESTING election of my lifetime.

The people who do the statistics now tell us that it will be Trump vs. Clinton and Clinton will win.

But these are the same people who told us that Trump never had a chance, that his campaign would fizzle out in the first couple of months. Every time he said something controversial, they said it was the end of the line for Trump.

Yet, somehow, Trump has proven them wrong at every turn.

If you are hoping for Clinton to win, you better not ASSUME it is a done deal and sit out the election in November - you had better VOTE! Because regardless of what the pundits say, I think Trump has a VERY REAL chance to win. Of course, that assumes that the Republican party does not find some way to make Cruz their nominee.

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No, I want everyone to assume that. Because they are very, VERY wrong.

There are so many who "Feel the Bern" that will either stay home or vote for Trump, and none of the "experts" consider that when making their projections.

Also, all these "haha Clinton won already hahaha" make my Trump shares cheap (about 30 cents on the dollar average) so I'll be buying rounds for everyone when November rolls around.

Everyone running around like Trump will cause WWIII cracks me up. We dealt with Bush, horrible president. We had Obama, horrible president. 16 years of fools and they think 4 years of someone not bought will bring everything down.....lol.

And these are the same people who think the country is in a good place right now. Who cares about social issues when unemployment is sky high...that's my question.

That said, I don't care what anyones political views are, I just find it funny how stupid and arrogant many are about Hillarys chances.....she has BARELY beaten a SOCIALIST, and they're already declaring her a victor.....c'mon now, she's hardly an undefeatable champion.

And Cruz....now ANYONE who's a leftist, democrat, progressive, whatever, they should HATE Cruz FAR more than Trump. He's the right-wing version of Hillary. Conniving, lying, establishment loser who preaches what he thinks people want to hear. This guy is FAR less moderate than Trump. He's adopted every idea Trump has said (wall, illegals shutdown, etc) but said it in a nicer tone, AND he's got a hard-on for Jesus (noting wrong with being religious, I am myself, but the fact that he preaches it so much is annoying, ESPECIALLY to leftists....)

I really don't understand how people think he would be more electable than Trump. People who hate the "republican principles" are not going to like Cruz anymore than Trump.

Anyways, that's my 2 cents....if anyone disagrees....feel free to put money down on it. :lol:

That said, I would LOVE to hear well thought, logical arguments to vote for Clinton that aren't talking points. Please, "foreign policy experience" = Benghazi. Sure, she's "experienced" but a screw up like that does not make me think she's ready to lead a country. Anyone got a real reason to vote for her, other than that she's "not Trump"....

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I keep looking at that site GoA - quite a few fun options to bet on

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The total irony of 1st World problems

Looking at betting to make money on what might be a catastropic result.



Let us hope we do not welcome Armageddon.

:brushteeth:

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Worse than with Bush? :FF:

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15 pages and still waiting for a sensible post, rsot.

:FF:

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Sometimes it is better not to post sensibly... :FF:

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I personally love Trumps stand on most issues. Fiscally conservative, moderately social and libertarianish/democrat stance of foreign policy.

Take care of home first and foremost and sensible yet much smaller foreign affairs.

I see the exact opposite of Armageddon.

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Exactly....

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Really good speech. It makes a lot of really good points.

Not sure many would agree that the US saved the world for the Nazis though tbh but that is a whole other debate!

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Saved the world from nazis...? LOL

...why he is not talking about Vietnam and other stuff...?.

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You would have to rewrite USA history books if the rest of the world does not feel USA swooped in and was the primary force to change the course of Nazi Germany.

I always find it interesting how the rest of the world views many things very differently than what we teach in the USA and assumed as facts as we are taught these things our entire public education.

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The USA was more dragged into the conflict than entered of its own choice. Up until they were dragged into the war Joseph Kennedy was still trying to arrange a meeting with Hilter to get a non aggression pact signed.

The US did help the UK with a lot of supplies though and did help British ships back and forth across the Atlantic (although we did have to pay for all the supplies up front with lots and lots of gold and forced sale of US assets). The US helped by comminicating the location of German ships on unsecure networds to one another, letting the UK ships intercep these comminications. It was not chairty that the US was providing, but there is no taking away from the fact that those supplies helped a lot. Bare in mine that at the time of WWII the UK had the worlds largest Navy still which the Germans never really got close to, it was only the U Boats that were a threat. At the time of WWII we also still had a large empire (and countries formly part of the empire loyal to the crown) that were 100% bahind Britain. This included Canada, Australia, India, New Zeland ect ect

By the time the US had entered the war the RAF had already defeated the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain. That was the turning of the tide against the Nazis in their invasion of Britian. The Eagle Squadron did help in that, but that was done against the wishes of the US goverment at the time. Soon after the Battle of Britain was won we started to bomb Germany A LOT

One of the most important turning points in WWII from the UK prespective was the Woman at Work scheme. During this scheme the UK output rocketed. We still did have a massive import of food though. Munition imports was only ever around 20% at its high point, it was only ever food that we really struggled with

One of the biggest mistakes Hitler made was to break his 10 year treaty with the Soviet Union. This lead to the war being fought on on 2 fronts which made it a lot harder. In 1941/1942 around 1/3 of all the tanks used by the USSR were supplied by the British, it was only in 1943/4 that the US started to supply them with enough tanks of note.

By the time D-Day came across the 5 beaches most the equiment used was British. 2 of the 5 beaches were British forces, 2 US forces and 1 Canadian. D-Day helped to push the Germans out of France and back into Germany, but it was the USSR that really defeated the German military in Germany. They were responsible for around 75/80% of all German military personal deaths.

The war was no doubt cut shoter by US involvement, and a lot of British lives were saves thanks to US supplies, but the US did not come riding in to defeat the Germans. History tells us that really it was the USSR that did.

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There is no doubt that in WWII, ALL of us played a major role.

I don't think the outcome would have been the same had ANY of the major Allies players sat out.

Let's just thank our ancestors that the right choices were made during that troubling time.