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GreenBean 05-02-2016 07:27 PM

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yankee (Post 767429)
I personally love Trumps stand on most issues. Fiscally conservative, moderately social and libertarianish/democrat stance of foreign policy.

Take care of home first and foremost and sensible yet much smaller foreign affairs.

I see the exact opposite of Armageddon.

Chamberlain came back from Munich in the mid 1930's with the saying "Peace in our time" as regards Nazi issues.

In 2016, the voters in the US must ensure the candidate elected to the Presidency is not going to betray the mandate given out.

I agree with your hopes, yankee.

=}

GhostOfAmazon 05-03-2016 01:27 PM

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For those wondering why "BUILD A WALL!" is a popular sentiment....

BREAKING: Donald Trump Just Got Proven Right in a Huge Way, And the Media Is NOT Talking About It

JamesNorth101 05-03-2016 01:41 PM

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Seems a bit like cherry picking to me

As an overall % of deaths in the US, what % is by illegal immigrants?

I in no way defend illegal migration, in fact I really dislike it, but when media outlets cherry pick a case to make their point is pretty irritating.

yankee 05-03-2016 02:41 PM

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101 (Post 767827)
Seems a bit like cherry picking to me

As an overall % of deaths in the US, what % is by illegal immigrants?

I in no way defend illegal migration, in fact I really dislike it, but when media outlets cherry pick a case to make their point is pretty irritating.

Amazingly high percentage of border states of Arizona, Texas, New Mexico. Then look at border towns being vacated in those states. It is staggering percentage.

But it is more about the 11+ million people getting free health care while we have Veterans literally on deathbeds waiting for care and people like myself pay the first several thousand dollars annually if medical care is needed.

The add in jobs being lost, USD being sent out of the country to "Home" and uninsured auto collisions driving up insurance rates.

Those are just a few of the many very measurable burdens illegal immigration has on the USA.

MM78 05-03-2016 03:04 PM

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JamesNorth101 05-03-2016 03:06 PM

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That is pretty interesting to know Yankee thanks. I did not know it was such a high % and high problem in certain areas.

The US healthcare system is an interesting one. In the UK we have the NHS and it is a MASSIVE burden on tax payers, but at the same time its something held very dear by the nation. Even the most conservative politicians in the UK would never even think about removing it, at least not out loud (although parts of it are being privatised at the moment)/. 9 out of 10 people in the street also really do like the NHS a lot. In the US it seems like the idea of a free universal healthcare system is not really liked as a concept? I understand why since its kind of like socialism

I do myself have private healthcare and don't really use the NHS a lot, but I do like to know that it is there if I need it, or if family and friends who do not have private healthcare need it.

Universal healthcare and gun control for me always stand out at the 2 major cultural differences between most of the EU and the US.

EDIT - Thanks MM78. I did not see your post until after I posted mine! I will have to have a read of all of those links

yankee 05-03-2016 03:14 PM

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You can find thousands of articles and "facts" saying illegal immigration is awesome and the same for it not being so awesome.

I like to think of it with logic and unbiased with black and white facts. Add in the very simple fact that they are ILLEGAL and you pretty much have all logic one needs to make an educated decision.

PS: I married an illegal immigrant. Some of my business partners are illegal immigrants. I have worked in Canada illegally back in 2006-2008 and I have several hundred friends that are illegal immigrants.

in 2010 I had a dear friend deported(and he lives in the same neighbourhood now)

I still stand for the fact that they have a viable and legal option but do not take the steps to become legal residents.

GhostOfAmazon 05-03-2016 07:08 PM

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James---just because we don't have socialized heathcare doesn't mean people are dying in the streets.

When I was 18 I had no medical insurance, and I had a motorcycle wreck. I had several broken bones and a depressed skull fracture. My medical bills were in the 6 figures. I got all the treatment I needed, and they billed me for it later. Of course I never paid (I was working at a fast food restaurant and still in high school at the time). It ruined my credit for 7 years, but I got the medical treatment and I never had to pay. It's not something I'm proud of, but there was no possible way for me to pay that bill.

It's important to remember that. Now, who paid for my treatment? Well, technically, everyone else who went to that hospital and DID pay. So you could argue that my medical care was paid for by others, and therefore "socialized", but there's an important distinction to make.

GreenBean 05-03-2016 07:16 PM

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GoA

Why should you need to feel bad about being young and not financial though?

As we know, there are generations of welfare families in USA, UK & OZ.

I take umbrage at Veterans being denied care after service for their country. The real victims need protection.
:typing:

GhostOfAmazon 05-03-2016 07:31 PM

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I'm just saying it isn't something I would make a habit of.

I've been to the Dr many times since that incident, and paid every penny every time out of pocket.

But, being self-insured, I don't go every time I get the sniffles. THAT is the issue with socialized healthcare, and why when "everyone" gets healthcare, NO ONE does. (At least not quality healthcare).

yankee 05-03-2016 08:44 PM

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Cruz suspended his campaign.

Trump is our Republican nominee.

GreenBean 05-04-2016 02:39 AM

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:faint:

G-d Bless America.


=}

richie2065 05-04-2016 02:49 AM

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Where is Arnie when you need him!!!!.. "il be back"

Haidukken 05-04-2016 02:57 AM

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yo, this is unreal.

vogeltron 05-04-2016 04:46 AM

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Hate to say it folks but US and Global Economy is on life support. Yellin didn't have a closed door meeting with Obama and Biden a week or so ago to talk about how great the economy is. More like how to do we hold this thing together long enough to get Hillary in there or some other Republican Oligarch if they can steal the GOP nomination.

As a Anarchist I am amused by Trump, but all government is evil. Biggest criminal organizations in the world. Second to central bankers.

Donald Trump will be the next president as the global and US economy deteriorates and idiots like Yellin, Draghi, and Kurouda do everything they can to destroy Western Civilization.

Get your popcorn ready!!!!! And Buckle Up!!!

GhostOfAmazon 05-04-2016 05:08 AM

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I don't know. I'm still cautiously optimistic that Trump can pull the plane out of a nosedive and make a crash landing that involves minimum fatalities.

I KNOW Hillary will bankrupt the country. Can Trump stop it? Maybe, probably not, but we can hope.

GreenBean 05-04-2016 05:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by richie2065 (Post 768038)
Where is Arnie when you need him!!!!.. "il be back"

The irony is that Arnie could never be President as he was not born in the US.

Centuries old rulings have never changed NOR should be changed.

=}-

JamesNorth101 05-04-2016 05:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon (Post 767966)
James---just because we don't have socialized heathcare doesn't mean people are dying in the streets.

I don't think I said that did I?

I was just commenting on it being a major difference in social views v Europe (alongside gun control). More an observation than any sort of judgement.

rsot 05-04-2016 07:26 AM

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You could see that coming for Cruz

Haidukken 05-04-2016 07:52 AM

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In Hillary VS Trump, I'd much rather see Trump do his thing:
Hillary is a ****ing crook and career politician- She has been in there with all the rest of them for such a long time, she is the posterchild for "the system"

I still have hope that Trump wins it, and then just does the "Guys, I won this... Can you see how ⊗⊗⊗⊗ and broken the system is?"

We'll see

Haidukken 05-04-2016 07:52 AM

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If Trump wins, he'll be the fastest hit the FBI/CIA have ordered.

rsot 05-04-2016 08:07 AM

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I just don't see USA being in the mindset for a female president - nothing against women but the nation view as a whole...

yankee 05-04-2016 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rsot (Post 768094)
I just don't see USA being in the mindset for a female president - nothing against women but the nation view as a whole...

and half the population said that about a black president back in 2008. 53% of the voting population are women FYI.

rsot 05-06-2016 03:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yankee (Post 768099)
and half the population said that about a black president back in 2008. 53% of the voting population are women FYI.

Didnt know that stat - 53%...I stand corrected

vogeltron 05-06-2016 04:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Haidukken (Post 768089)
If Trump wins, he'll be the fastest hit the FBI/CIA have ordered.

That is what they said about Reagan and he was hit so I agree. I am an Anarchist so I hate all government because they are the biggest criminal organizations in the world. I have to say that people are underestimating the weakness of the US economy and the numbers coming out weather realized or not but what people are actually feeling. In my opinion the Federal Reserve will no longer be able to kick the can far enough to get Hillary elected. Trump for better or worse will be the next president.

If Obama's presidency was so awesome then people would be lined up to vote for Hillary as an extension. It hasn't been. As to why so many Democrats are out for Bernie. There is a divide, who knows in a Hillary vs Trump run off Gary Johnson might get enough support to get in the debates.

RosieTosie 05-06-2016 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rsot (Post 768094)
I just don't see USA being in the mindset for a female president - nothing against women but the nation view as a whole...

Hey rsot that's all the reason for Hillary to win, whether the US of A is ready for her or not, be great to see what she could do, Trump is the biggest joke on the planet, no one can take him seriously, he would drag America back years along with his ridiculous views. Having said that the senate rules the country and all the presidents past and present get to realise that when they get into power, they all seem to have face up to the same thing that they cannot change anything that really matters.

rsot 05-06-2016 07:26 AM

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He would drag the country back true and economy would suffer - other countries would be laughing

RosieTosie 05-06-2016 10:42 AM

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Yes sad but true it definately seems rsot.

yankee 05-06-2016 02:26 PM

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RosieTosie, cant say nobody takes Trump serious because he is our ELECTED nominee and his polls are climbing rapidly against that dumpster he will be running against. Thank Goodness we have him to change the direction of the Great USA! =}-

rsot, your opinions have no value being the storyteller you are. Sounds like more inconsistent regurgitated garbage being spewed by your keyboard to me. :boink:

JamesNorth101 05-06-2016 02:35 PM

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I think being from outside the USA Rosie has the opinion as the rest of the world really which is that he is a bit of a joke.

The main problem is that he is not getting very favourable media coverage anywhere outside the US really, its all pretty biased. I know that probably doesnt not really matter to him, but it is why so many people outside the US still think he is a joke candidate.

Looking in depth at some of his speeches there is actually some decent stuff in there. Some pretty loony stuff as well mind you, but its only the loony stuff being reported across the world.

rsot 05-06-2016 02:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yankee (Post 768968)
rsot, your opinions have no value being the storyteller you are. Sounds like more inconsistent regurgitated garbage being spewed by your keyboard to me. :boink:

Everyone has the right to opinions :) yours are ok too :thumb:

yankee 05-06-2016 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rsot (Post 768973)
Everyone has the right to opinions :) yours are ok too :thumb:

Just that yours are valueless. That is my point seeing as that is what I said. You have to have a respectable reputation to have a valued opinion. Understand? Rhetorical.

slapped 05-06-2016 03:59 PM

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How about Paul Ryan, He said that he cannot support Trump,,,YET......I smell a Shakedown coming, let me guess Ryan wants to have a LOT of say in who Trump appoints to his Administration and what issues he needs to Modify like Trumps issue of imposing import taxes on imports,,,God FORBID a President cutting into the profits of these HUGE Multi National corporations.
The Republican Establishment is having a HARD time coming to grips with the fact Trump will be their Nominee and it seems to me that the establishment does not want him to hurt them too badly. They want to ensure that they will be able to pick up right where they left off after a possible Trump Presidency.

yankee 05-06-2016 04:06 PM

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I thought Ryan's response was a terrible negotiating tactic and I think it looks badly upon him but I very much liked Trumps response.

If Ryan truly believes the exact rehearsed message he stated yesterday, then it seems that he is incredibly out of touch with Voters wants.

slapped 05-06-2016 04:23 PM

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That is EXACTLY what these clowns REFUSE to understand, The FACT that the Republican Party is COMPLETLY

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Originally Posted by yankee (Post 769005)
out of touch

with their own electorate, this FACT is precisely the SINGLE BIGGEST reason Trump is going to be the nominee. They still do not understand that the more they use tactics like this the MORE they distance themselves from their electorate.

vogeltron 05-06-2016 04:23 PM

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I just hope Trump picks Jesse Ventura as his VP. Then we can really get the theater started.

slapped 05-06-2016 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vogeltron (Post 769016)
I just hope Trump picks Jesse Ventura as has VP. Then we can really get the theater started.

I do not see that happening, he has as big an ego as Trump, they may clash,,,I think that Susana Martinez Governor of New Mexico would be his best fit, she is Smart, Popular, She can deliver New Mexico, She can help with BOTH Female voters AND Latinos

GhostOfAmazon 05-06-2016 10:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RosieTosie (Post 768801)
Hey rsot that's all the reason for Hillary to win, whether the US of A is ready for her or not, be great to see what she could do, Trump is the biggest joke on the planet, no one can take him seriously, he would drag America back years along with his ridiculous views. Having said that the senate rules the country and all the presidents past and present get to realise that when they get into power, they all seem to have face up to the same thing that they cannot change anything that really matters.

Rosie:

What SPECIFICALLY do you like about Hillary, other than her gender?

Do you have specific policies of hers you support or agree with?

Gamefreak 05-07-2016 02:39 AM

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do u guys really think presidents can make an impact on this country?

Trump talks a lot of stuff but he cant change anything meaningful if he wanted to

GhostOfAmazon 05-07-2016 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gamefreak (Post 769136)
do u guys really think presidents can make an impact on this country?

Trump talks a lot of stuff but he cant change anything meaningful if he wanted to

I don't nessesarrily believe Trump can accomplish much.

But put it this way: I KNOW what a Hillary administration will mean. Is choosing an option that equals "maybe" stupid when the other choice is a depression and or hyper inflation?

I don't believe so. 19 trillion in debt. We can't keep racking up the credit card bills forever, which is exactly what she intends to do (as well as implement a 1996 Australia style gun grab.....seriously, she said that at a rally, look it up).

I KNOW what Hillary will do: Trample my rights, raise my taxes, and rack up more debt in the name of "equality", which, just like the war on drugs, will never be resolved.

Can Trump make a positive difference? Maybe not, but at least there's a good chance he'll take me to dinner before I get screwed.

Also, there's a 10% chance he's the next Reagan. That's what most people are holding out hope for.


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