US Election 2016

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by jeffweico

My takeaway on this is that we desperately need to bring back civics classes in the US. Too many people do not understand the way the system actually works. What happened to the prohibition on political threads?

BigBoss gave the seal of approval on page one.


Tactfully I think it has run its course.

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by jeffweico

My takeaway on this is that we desperately need to bring back civics classes in the US. Too many people do not understand the way the system actually works. What happened to the prohibition on political threads?

I agree, in general politics isn't an appropriate topic for a forum like this, for 2 reasons:

1. People become emotional and say things they shouldn't.

2. People who aren't educated on the topic or person being discussed making outlandish, silly statements, which often leads to #1 occurring.

As for the foreigners criticizing American politics, I have a solution: Americans need to stop meddling in everyone elses affairs. No wonder they're so interested in who our president will be...

Whoever it is, I hope they focus on fixing our country and not being the World Police.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon

Americans need to stop meddling in everyone elses affairs. No wonder they're so interested in who our president will be...

Agree - should focus more on internal problems.

[Haidukken]

If Murica would stop funding world wars and cut its military budget right the way down you would have a country that could provide free healthcare AND education to the whole nation.
They could also subsidize nationwide healthcare program, and not big oil, pharma and corn.

America is not about politics and all that life.
America is just a big corporation who elects a new President for the company every 4 years, but decisions will be taken by majority of the board... But the public doesn't really know who the board members are.

Each active President AND candidates who are running for president should have NASCAR style suits on- You can then see who has taken money from who and size of a badge determines how much each corporation has paid for that advertisement slot.

Its all a big ****show and I can not wait to see it all collapse. Sure, world will be in turmoil and economy will crash and people will suffer. Sure. But it's just a reality TV show that we are currently watching- I mean... Surely you can't keep this up forever?

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by Haidukken

If Murica would stop funding world wars and cut its military budget right the way down you would have a country that could provide free healthcare AND education to the whole nation.
They could also subsidize nationwide healthcare program, and not big oil, pharma and corn.

America is not about politics and all that life.
America is just a big corporation who elects a new President for the company every 4 years, but decisions will be taken by majority of the board... But the public doesn't really know who the board members are.

Each active President AND candidates who are running for president should have NASCAR style suits on- You can then see who has taken money from who and size of a badge determines how much each corporation has paid for that advertisement slot.

Its all a big ****show and I can not wait to see it all collapse. Sure, world will be in turmoil and economy will crash and people will suffer. Sure. But it's just a reality TV show that we are currently watching- I mean... Surely you can't keep this up forever?

I agree 100% with everything you just said....except the last part. I don't want the country to collapse.

[RosieTosie]

You would think they can't Haidukken!, but there is nothing to stop them doing just that, us as well, the U of K doesn't get away Scot free by any means. America is the self proclaimed leader of the free world and much bigger, that is the only difference really between them and us.

[GreenBean]

Maybe the country has to go to a low point before it can become potent again?

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by GreenBean

Maybe the country has to go to a low point before it can become potent again?

Sadly enough, this has been my theory since Obama was re-elected.

The American people were stupid enough to re-elect two horrible presidents in a row.

[Haidukken]

Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon

I agree 100% with everything you just said....except the last part. I don't want the country to collapse.

If it was UK who was on the edge of a financial collapse, I wouldn't want it to happen either- All zombie jokes aside, can you imagine what a real collapse would bring with it? I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it!

BUT, it usually take a catastrophic event before people see different ways to solve the same puzzle.
9/11 would be a good example, because it happened in USA- I remember watching it on TV as it happened when I was a kid and it was just so alien to me, because it happened way, waaaaay away from me and my home. It affected America differently tho, didn't it... I can't remember the last time America was so united and together, everybody had a really healthy dose of reality check and people suddenly cared for each other.
It's very unfortunate that this unity was used to start a war, but thats besides the point.

From an outside it just seems that America is so used to the way that they operate, that they think it's the only way to operate. It's very narrow minded and very "tunnel vision" esque.
People have stopped questioning the fundamentals of life, of the society that they live in.

In smaller EU countries changes are easy to come by, because most of the countries have history of different rulers- Most smaller countries had a different military power occupying them every 30-50 years! So now when they want to change something, people vote for it and not against it- People are used to the idea of things changing and they actively try to make changes happen themselves, because they just appreciate the fact that they have the freedom to do so, nothing more and nothing less.

As I mentioned before, America has been a reality TV/science project of mine for many years now. It's truly remarkable how one of the youngest nations in the world has grown a pair of balls so big that it takes on the historical superpowers like Russia and China.

American people just need to realise that their biggest resource as a nation is... Well, the people themselves.

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by Haidukken

If it was UK who was on the edge of a financial collapse, I wouldn't want it to happen either- All zombie jokes aside, can you imagine what a real collapse would bring with it? I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it!

BUT, it usually take a catastrophic event before people see different ways to solve the same puzzle.
9/11 would be a good example, because it happened in USA- I remember watching it on TV as it happened when I was a kid and it was just so alien to me, because it happened way, waaaaay away from me and my home. It affected America differently tho, didn't it... I can't remember the last time America was so united and together, everybody had a really healthy dose of reality check and people suddenly cared for each other.
It's very unfortunate that this unity was used to start a war, but thats besides the point.

From an outside it just seems that America is so used to the way that they operate, that they think it's the only way to operate. It's very narrow minded and very "tunnel vision" esque.
People have stopped questioning the fundamentals of life, of the society that they live in.

In smaller EU countries changes are easy to come by, because most of the countries have history of different rulers- Most smaller countries had a different military power occupying them every 30-50 years! So now when they want to change something, people vote for it and not against it- People are used to the idea of things changing and they actively try to make changes happen themselves, because they just appreciate the fact that they have the freedom to do so, nothing more and nothing less.

As I mentioned before, America has been a reality TV/science project of mine for many years now. It's truly remarkable how one of the youngest nations in the world has grown a pair of balls so big that it takes on the historical superpowers like Russia and China.

American people just need to realise that their biggest resource as a nation is... Well, the people themselves.

You're wise beyond your years. If only 20% of Americans thought like you, turning the country around would be a good possibility.

The sheeple are manipulated by the media so easily. They believe anything and everything these corporations tell them. Iraq is bad! Let's go kill them! Turns out, Saddam Hussein, though a good guy he was not, did have a pretty good thumb over terrorists (he killed them) and did not have any nuclear weapons. But Bush, like his daddy, was into Oil, and guess where most of that comes from? Also, as you said before, war is our biggest industry. Tanks, guns, bombs....very expensive, and very profitable to make. Put it all together and you have the perfect reason to go to war.

So on the one hand, you have the war-mongering people who hate whoever they are told is bad, and on the other, you have the idiots who think that there are no consequences to Americas actions, and that every other country and group of people love us and would never want to kill Americans.

Then, somewhere in the middle, are the rational people like myself who just want to leave everyone else alone and focus on our OWN problems. Forget the welfare state, forget going to war, forget being the world police: Let's clean out our own closet, prosecute career criminal politicians, end the corruption, stop importing what is essentially slave labor from the 3rd world, and fix our broken country.

[GreenBean]

People from outside of the USA need to understand that the country had centuries long policy of Isolationism.

Changes where made, did not come easily to the Nation.

[yankee]

What I find crazy is all the outsiders who complain about the USA but yet line up at the door or literally just walk in. If the place sucks so bad why the heck come here? LOL

and everyone from Europe bashing on the USA are calling the kettle black. If I remember history correctly Europe dragged the USA(and by all means we should have stepped up earlier) into being the worlds police....

But much like Ghost, I am all for the SECURE and STRONG yet libertarian stance. Worry about out own issues and screw the rest of ya haha Just joking....Kinda.

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by yankee

What I find crazy is all the outsiders who complain about the USA but yet line up at the door or literally just walk in. If the place sucks so bad why the heck come here? LOL

and everyone from Europe bashing on the USA are calling the kettle black. If I remember history correctly Europe dragged the USA(and by all means we should have stepped up earlier) into being the worlds police....

But much like Ghost, I am all for the SECURE and STRONG yet libertarian stance. Worry about out own issues and screw the rest of ya haha Just joking....Kinda.

There's nothing wrong with helping out when REQUESTED, and when it doesn't interfere with another country. (For example, I really don't think we have any business messing around with non-EU Ukraine....kicking a hornets nest is stupid). But our problem is we stick our noses everywhere, even when we're not needed. It's no wonder the rest of the world laughs at us, hates us, gossips about us. We're that annoying kid in high school who's always trying to sit at a different lunch table everyday and never hangs out with his own friends (because secretly he has none).

[yankee]

The problem with international politics is that non of us actually really know what is going on. The media is fictitious and most likely has no clue either. The USA has really messed with a lot of the middle east for reasons beyond our comprehension in the name of "Security" yet the apparently really dangerous countries we give foreign aid to in the billions and billions of dollars.

I stopped trying to understand the mess when the USA aided the "rebels" in Libia that we just ran out of Iraq for the sake of cheap oil to prevent a France economic collapse or so it seems anyways. Those exact rebels we now call Isis apparently and the country if Libia is not recognizable.

Make sense? I am sure it does to the world puppet pullers but not the rest of the world.

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by yankee

The problem with international politics is that non of us actually really know what is going on. The media is fictitious and most likely has no clue either. The USA has really messed with a lot of the middle east for reasons beyond our comprehension in the name of "Security" yet the apparently really dangerous countries we give foreign aid to in the billions and billions of dollars.

I stopped trying to understand the mess when the USA aided the "rebels" in Libia that we just ran out of Iraq for the sake of cheap oil to prevent a France economic collapse or so it seems anyways. Those exact rebels we now call Isis apparently and the country if Libia is not recognizable.

Make sense? I am sure it does to the world puppet pullers but not the rest of the world.

That's because none of it is actually political. It's all about favors for corporations and the people that run them. Globalism is VERY profitable if you own the right corporation. Americans are EXPENSIVE to employ, even on minimum wage, with social security, healthcare, etc. Much cheaper to stage a coup than use the newly "freed" 3rd world population as essentially slave labor.

Also, sometimes these coups have to do with currency manipulation. That's how George Soros (backer of John Kasich, Hillary Clinton, and Bernie Sanders) made his billions.

I'm not making any of this up. Google it yourself. I'm not into conspiracy theories, but I do more research than just watching Fox News and NBC.

[yankee]

Preaching to the Quire on your last bit Ghost. I hear you and agree. NWO has begun a very long time ago.

[Haidukken]

Originally Posted by yankee

What I find crazy is all the outsiders who complain about the USA but yet line up at the door or literally just walk in. If the place sucks so bad why the heck come here? LOL

and everyone from Europe bashing on the USA are calling the kettle black. If I remember history correctly Europe dragged the USA(and by all means we should have stepped up earlier) into being the worlds police....

But much like Ghost, I am all for the SECURE and STRONG yet libertarian stance. Worry about out own issues and screw the rest of ya haha Just joking....Kinda.

yo, you have comedy stores and legal weed in Colorado? OFC people want to move in!


America would be truly amazing if they'd take all the military they have around the world and call them back home, close down all the military bases in other countries(I believe you have over 100 of them) and just have a SOLID AS **** defense system in place.
Then have a black president go on TV and say:

"Hey guys, we are sorry that we fiddled with your governments, natural resources and people... We really are, BUT it had to be done- Sorry.
We, as a nation, have decided that... **** ALL y'll and we are gonna just kick back and chill now for 50 years or so.
If you guys want to duke it out, thats fine by us... As long as it doesn't happen on our soil.
Now just to let you know- We have ALL of our military powers concentrated here on our own soil so please don't make us use it"

Can you imagine? America would go from dictatorship police state to a lovely, innovative place for science and free speech. Housing project problems and systemic racism could be tackled, equal right could become equal... The possibilities are literally endless because of the way the government has been set up.
What war and financial crisis have thought us is that US and A can solve problems real quick, if they need to.
Can you imagine if you could turn the same warmongering machine around and instead of printing money for war they would print money for all the good causes?

Jesus, we would have a pill that cures AIDS, cancer AND hangover at the same time!

[Haidukken]

Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon

Also, sometimes these coups have to do with currency manipulation. That's how George Soros (backer of John Kasich, Hillary Clinton, and Bernie Sanders) made his billions.

Actually if you follow history and go back just few generations you can see how it all happened in the first place. I always wonder how is it possible that people remember who Bruce Jenner is, but they can't remember who the **** put Sadam and Bin Laden family in charge in first place.

The Petrodollar thing is as real as it gets and everything that has happened after that is just proof how a nation can, and in many cases SHOULD, do what ever it takes to protect their interest. In Muricas case they have had to deal with few different generations of powerful families and only lately has it been messy. It was quite an easy thing to brush under the rug for many years but now with mass media, internet and tin foil hat wearing fanatics that call themselves patriots things can get out of hand real quick.

First it was a business decision and they just handed out power to families, then they had to bring war into it just to justify political pressure in some areas of the world and now for the past 10 or so years they call it "fighting for freedom" or they just say that they are helping a country to have a democratic government...

Its really, really interesting because the thing that they are fighting over is not something amazing... its just fuel.
Give it 50 years and we will look back at the time of combustion engine and see it as primitive as stone tools and telegraph machines.

[Haidukken]

ALSO, lets talk about US prison population?

How can anybody justfy having so many people in jail for non-violent drug related crimes? If you dig in some data it clearly shows that black people are being arrested and jailed for YEARS, for the same exact drug that Lohan does and get away with. Whats the deal with that?

Oh, thats right... One is called crack and other one is called cocaine. Clearly two different drugs- One is HORRIBLE and kills people and give you a legit chance of making into top10 meth faces of 2016 ranking and the other drug is for professionals, white people and people of class.

Institutional racism is oh so real, and I ain't even black.

[Haidukken]

Also, this might be the best thread of 2016... No wonder Bigboss doesn't allow politics to be discussed in this forum. I can clearly see how things could get out of hand, reaaaaal quick.

[GhostOfAmazon]

The reason prisons are so populated has to do with many of them being privatized, not racism.

When you make confining people a for profit BUSINESS, obviously there's incentive to throw people in jail for BS crimes. Also keep in mind that African-Americans are less likely to have the funds for a good lawyer, which plays a large roll. Justices for all (who have stacks of $$$$)

[Haidukken]

I'd argue that private prisons are a big driving force behind some very, very questionable laws and practices. If the Prison Guards Union can lobby for/against certain laws that directly benefit them then surely the laws will be geared towards a % of population that is least suited to defend themselves.

If you have problem with poor housing projects(black or white) and you have laws that punish people for certain activities and you then "give them justice" for what they have done(non-violent drug offences) then you will have generations upon generations of kids growing up in broken families, in broken housing projects and with no realistic way out.
To me, that seems very systematic process- Almost like a feeding line, a feeding line of people who will one day most likely be charged with a crime. Its the supply and demand, of people.

Many people will still bang the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" drum and expect problems to go away. Very few people actually want to make the situation better.
Its terrifing to think that in 2016 you could not only get a **** roll of a dice and be born in Uganda, but you could get a **** roll of the dice and be born in USA, but into one of the poorest areas where your older brother and dad are already in prison and everybody around you are struggling to find a job, because there are no jobs.

Earlier when I mentioned that less losers=better country, thats what I meant. I don't mean lets take some wealthy loser and show him how to be a good person... Nope, they don't need "that" sort of help.
Take the kids from hoods, white or black, and give them a chance. Invest into the youth of today and spoon feed them until they can see a way out- People think that there is something wrong with helping someone who is already down and out. That for some reason help makes him "soft" and that he'll take advantage of the help and it'll turn the person lazy... BITCH, I'd rather have kids being lazy than smoking crack!

I'd rather have kids be lazy who benefit from support system than have some crazy white fat ******* in government office who benefits from taxpayers money that in financing killing in other countries.

Tho whole thing is so backwards that sometimes it makes me want to cry, honestly. It doesn't affect me directly and I don't know anybody in these situations... But that doesn't mean its not happening all the time, all over the world.
Whats the difference between the little dude you see on TV who has flies in his eyes and hasn't had water for 3 days and the little dude who sits in a closet somewhere in Compton whilst his mom is blowing dudes and smoking crack in front of her?
****ing nothing, they are both equal- They are the future of this planet, but because one of the little dudes lives in USA people suddenly think he should be pulling himself by his bootstraps and go get his American Dream.