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spk 05-09-2026 02:51 AM

Re: Recieved cease and desist letter
 
Small update: The whole situation is over by now. The trademark owner sent me a cease-and-desist letter. The resulting costs were calculated based on the profit I had made. Luckily, they didn’t know the exact numbers, so I was able to provide my own figures. I had to pay just under €3k, including legal fees. The public prosecutor’s office reached an out-of-court agreement with my lawyer for an €8k fine, so the matter is now resolved. I was lucky that no other brands decided to take action against me. It was an expensive lesson, but I’m very relieved that it’s finally over and that it ended relatively mildly.

murdered_by_ebay 05-09-2026 05:03 AM

Re: Recieved cease and desist letter
 
it is better to run such a business outside germany , you could still sell to german customers

agent006140 05-09-2026 08:09 AM

Re: Recieved cease and desist letter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay (Post 1267041)
it is better to run such a business outside germany , you could still sell to german customers

are you kidding?
I would stop selling those products,she is now being 'watched' /stalked.
One can easily recognise by her 'MO'/
BTW,this thread is dated,AMZN has asked its sellers to take out insurance.

rsot 05-09-2026 11:09 AM

Re: Recieved cease and desist letter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spk (Post 1267039)
Small update: The whole situation is over by now. The trademark owner sent me a cease-and-desist letter. The resulting costs were calculated based on the profit I had made. Luckily, they didn’t know the exact numbers, so I was able to provide my own figures. I had to pay just under €3k, including legal fees. The public prosecutor’s office reached an out-of-court agreement with my lawyer for an €8k fine, so the matter is now resolved. I was lucky that no other brands decided to take action against me. It was an expensive lesson, but I’m very relieved that it’s finally over and that it ended relatively mildly.

Thanks for sharing the experience and good that you got it resolved.

murdered_by_ebay 05-09-2026 02:49 PM

Re: Recieved cease and desist letter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1267047)
are you kidding?
I would stop selling those products,she is now being 'watched' /stalked.
One can easily recognise by her 'MO'/
BTW,this thread is dated,AMZN has asked its sellers to take out insurance.

that stuff happens in germany all the time , had the guy been nearby , netherlands , belgium , poland - nothing of that sort would have happened

rsot 05-10-2026 11:12 AM

Re: Recieved cease and desist letter
 
Sending you a dm spk

agent006140 05-10-2026 02:04 PM

Re: Recieved cease and desist letter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay (Post 1267080)
that stuff happens in germany all the time , had the guy been nearby , netherlands , belgium , poland - nothing of that sort would have happened

true,she may not get much sales either,I think she is printing German car logos on her Chinese T shirts,they selll well in Germany,not Poland or Antartica

rsot 05-11-2026 07:54 AM

Re: Recieved cease and desist letter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1267116)
true,she may not get much sales either,I think she is printing German car logos on her Chinese T shirts,they selll well in Germany,not Poland or Antartica

Since you're trying for the use of she, maybe best to use s/he, agent

murdered_by_ebay 05-11-2026 09:40 AM

Re: Recieved cease and desist letter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1267116)
true,she may not get much sales either,I think she is printing German car logos on her Chinese T shirts,they selll well in Germany,not Poland or Antartica

damn I did not know poland does not allow shipping to germany , must be retaliation for WWII

spk 05-11-2026 11:09 AM

Re: Recieved cease and desist letter
 
I'm a he I already told you that recently. I suspect the reason they noticed me was because my shop had a very strong Google ranking. I was ranking #1 for keywords like “brandname t shirt” almost everywhere, even ahead of the official sellers. And I wasn’t only offering T-shirts I also sold stickers, mugs, and other products. I overdid it with the shirts though, and I think that was the breaking point.

There are many people who have been selling only stickers for years, and that probably doesn’t bother them as much. By the way, from the outside it wasn’t obvious that the shop was operated from Germany. I even had a rented Lithuanian address in the imprint.

murdered_by_ebay 05-11-2026 11:38 AM

Re: Recieved cease and desist letter
 
outside does not matter much , they file a police report and find out your data. as soon as they see it is in germany the game is on , if it is abroad they let go most of the time but even if not it is really only germany doing house searches in bulk

jcdev 05-27-2026 01:40 PM

Re: Recieved cease and desist letter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spk (Post 1267135)
my shop had a very strong Google ranking. I was ranking #1 for keywords like “brandname t shirt” almost everywhere, even ahead of the official sellers.

How did you manage to get such high SEO ranking?

rsot 05-28-2026 10:05 AM

Re: Recieved cease and desist letter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jcdev (Post 1267625)
How did you manage to get such high SEO ranking?

Not sure if spk is still active here

spk 06-04-2026 03:34 AM

Re: Recieved cease and desist letter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jcdev (Post 1267625)
How did you manage to get such high SEO ranking?

That was actually quite easy. Most competing shops were so poorly optimized for SEO that it was enough to publish a few articles and build backlinks through a PBN network. On top of that, this was around the time AI became widely available, and I was one of the first to use it for all of my product descriptions and off-page SEO content. Back then, that gave a huge ranking boost.

In the end, it got to the point where my shop ranked highly for almost every keyword I targeted on Google, including highly competitive terms like "brake caliper paint" in Germany.

I never spent any money on advertising. Everything was organic, and at my peak I was getting around 5,000–10,000 visitors per day with roughly 500 products in the shop.


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