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Can someone explain to me the angst against 21 day holds?
 

One of the most popular posts on these forums is the recurring theme: "Ermigawd how do I get rid of this 21 day hold"

Can someone tell me why this is important? People say their "business models rely on it" or something but the only things I can think of that are reliant on less than 21 day fluidity is (A) dropshipping and (B) scamming; both of which are known to be bad ideas.

But there needs to be another reason right? Can someone take a moment to explain to me a situation where a 21-day hold is the end of the world?

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I think its hard for people who do free shipping or are trying to sell more than they can afford to ship. Or they want to keep going buying more stock with the money they made. Or they have bills to pay and need the money. Some people are just trying to keep going and aren't big sellers like a lot of people on this forum.

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I think all the people who cry about 21 day holds are those selling on their own websites, trying to invoice themselves from other paypals, and scammers. As most of us here are aware, the 21 day hold is really 21 days if you don't provide a tracking number.

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I think a lot of the time its drop shippers.

21 days is annoying, but really if a business cannot handle a 21 days hold (and rarely is it actually 21 days, in the UK it is about 8 days) then the business model should be addressed.

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Everyone are in a hurry, maybe panicked if there original account has been shut down, or holds placed on an aged paypal account

I think it's just the fear of not knowing how to properly operate stealth and the worry of not having money to pay bills

But it takes time to learn everything , it's not something learned overnight, but if you take the time and learn than yea the holds are nothing , funds are available within 6-7 days for every sale for me

And once you have enough accounts going than you eventually can have funds becoming available everyday

I actually prefer selling on newer accounts with holds now, because once the holds are lifted is when they start manipulating traffic and listing visibility , so I make more on newer accounts with the same items than aged accounts

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Do you mind elaborating on the visibility manipulation?

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eBay themselves bump you down the listings sometimes on older accounts.

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So its better to use new accounts? I thought ebay put the people with the most feedback on the top of the lists?

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It is a bit of a balancing act.

Very (and I mean very) broadly speaking...

Accounts years old with 1000's of feedback will rank high.

New account will rank high

Accounts a few months old with a dozen feedback will tend to rank lower.

Its far from exact though and their will be exceptions to the rules. Just fiddle with your listings until ou find what works for you

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I dont think any of us fully understands the algorithms used to calculate the visibility of listings and who's goes on the top.

Anyway, I'm not sure how the 21 hold thing is a big issue if your selling on eBay. All you have to do is upload the tracking # is funds are released in 3 days. Its not really rocket science. If you can't afford to wait 3 days for your money then something outside of ebay/Paypal is wrong.

I actually dont mind the holds b/c they keep new accounts safe and allows the seller to build an account without moving too fast. Its very easy to transfer money too fast once the holds are gone.

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Always the end of the world when a user belongs to the Clueless in ......(insert any city) and has no idea of having a working paypal account in the first place.

paypal is a total snob.

paypal wants accounts to appear OK within their framework.

Accounts not making that grade fail.

:rip:

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One of my BIG accounts sales sucked in December. I sold more on some days in my home office and quite frankly, that is a joke in comparison.

That account has 99.8% positive feedback, zero negative feedback in the last nine months has several hundred items listed in a non saturated market and I could not find a single item listed a few minutes ago. Not to get into details but if in my home office can outsell a well polished machine ebay does NOT like big sellers. I have been saying this for a couple years.

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For crying out loud MM78! Lots and lots of sellers on ebay sell items that are to cheap to pay for tracking on, sorry but that's the real world, not everyone sells expensive items!

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Is the only way to deal with that to have return customers? I am not a big seller but as my fb grows it's a concern that this might happen.

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Run multiple accounts.

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It definitely sucks! We know most buyers don't go past the 1st page of results and there's only so many ebay can fit in there, they have to somehow fit both a new seller with no history and the listings of a few big seller that has 1000 listings in a broad category like toys, only way possible is to show them in different time periods, no other way on the math

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Auctions is the solution but will not work for everyone or all the time.

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Same category, BIGGGGER account $$$ wise but 1/3rd the listings, follows my exact ebay business model and has a good mix in search results because of auctions. This account runs a smaller ROI but makes up in velocity by 4-5X. I can find an item in every name brand we sell, more than half are auctions. The other account with only fixed price listings I could not find a single item.

And of course multiple accounts.

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Yeah but it must be items with demand, on most niches BIN is the only way to go to sell a few items a month, and maybe sprinkle some auctions starting a few bucks lower than BIN to get exposure.

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Auctions will not work for everyone or every item.

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Yes, that's called a poor business plan where the seller never bothered to take into account all the cost involved. Every item I've ever sold, or looked into I did the math, the cost of the item, shipping cost, tracking number, hell even the cost of my gas is taken into account.

Now if these sellers you speak of never bothered to do the math then that is what I call "Piss poor planning".

Expensive is a relative term, what someone considers expensive might not be to the next person.

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Your first comment clearly made it sound like most of the people using and contributing to this forum sell items that have enough value for tracking to be provided on them, whereas the reality is that newcomers to the forum, in other words the very people that this forum is here to ask the questions for and provide the solutions to, do not, and could not even if they wanted to, sell only items that it is worth providing tracking on, they don't have high enough listing limits!

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International shipping is a gamble without tracking. But I know a lot of people do it for clothing and accessories, especially vintage. To ship to australia for example is 45 that would be of an item like a scarf. I no longer do it, but I know a lot of people that do. Its frustrating that you used to be able to do airmail to a lot of places but now its required to have tracking.

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Here's the thing, if people use Paypal as a payment processor then you have to play by their rules. People asking "How to avoid", "How to bypass", "Workarounds" to 21 day holds are obviously not ready to do business with Paypal. When I sell on a fresh account I know that the 21 day hold will be in place and I know exactly what to expect.


It's one thing for people to come here and ask for help it's another to be able to provide everyone with what they want/need. Do you know how many people come to the forum asking, "How to withdraw funds without a bank account?".....more than you think. Unfortunately we don't have magic wands to help everyone with their wants.

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I guess there are probably situations that people have where the hold is a biggie to them.....for me, since 21 day holds are not really 21 days.......except on International sales.....I can't find a way around that.........but anyway, they are just part of the game...I just grin and bear it, and it gives me something to look forward to!

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Still comes done to the methof of account creation and operating the business plan.

Enlighten me what we say to these dozies

'I wanna dropship goods cuz I ain't not no money and I dont wanna have holds'

Read the threads, the issues are being repeated all the time.

The paypal account is not of a standard to fit paypal's needs.

Not rocket science.

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All about the risk and profit margin - is it worth to ship international with all these guidelines in place for your business is the question

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I hate hold not because im a scammer or dropshipper because sorry a#$ paypal will limit my account 1 day after the item is delivered and hold my money on that item for eternity sometimes depending on the setup. I even had them limit accts with money and deactivate the bank on the account.

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I have never personally have had an issue with paypal and I break just about every rule this forum suggests.
I am assuming it is just my items I sell.

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It is just once again you are too good

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Hey yankee how the heck you get on a limited banned forum if you never had a problem with paypal?

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I had my decade old PERSONAL ebay account limited for being a "Controlled Status Seller"

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I do not know what that is but it sounds like you had a problem

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So you are saying you create new accts sell 15k a day on them and do lots of them and never had 1 limited

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Basically I controlled to much of a market and, well, controlled the price, visibility, etc....

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Sounds like you should be the one writing the ebooks, i do not even think aspkin can make that claim

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I have never had a problem personally. I have had two of my sellers have a big problem, but it was based on high velocity, low credit scores, rolling reserves and bad attitudes and then an attorney. Lost a good amount of money.

BUT it was not my accounts.

Re: Can someone explain to me the angst against 21 day holds?
 

Well i once had more marbles than the neighbor kid!

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I buy those aged accounts and yes, collect a bunch of money in a few days. Keep in mind, I have only been into the stealth stuff for a few months. All my other accounts are EIN accounts.

With that said, I have handled a good amount of money since November 30th doing this. By-the-way, I am not the only one on this forum doing the same thing.