Paypal Hypocrites: They Make their own rules

thediesel · #1 06-08-2016

So there have been other people on here that sell "tv boxes with kodi" that got banned by paypal. Obviously this is a jailbroken item and jailbreaking is legal, but the legality of how the end user uses the item definitely is in question.I completely understand why paypal would not take payment for these items

I got banned selling this item( multiple times now), but there are several sellers that have been selling these items for 3 years with over 6000 to 8000 sales and they dont get banned even when they are reported. IT seems like paypal lets them slide because they have the most sales and they only ban sellers with less sales. The titles and descriptions of the listings are virtually the same, but paypal wont ban these sellers. The people do not want to pay with anything but paypal. I guess paypal loves to continue to make money off these sellers.

Here is a phone conversation I had today with paypal. the supervisor stated that " well perhaps they have legal permission to stream the media" when I was reading off the top seller listings that have 6000 to 8000 sales. I do not understand the double standard

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empirestate · #2 06-08-2016

Sorry to hear you had to find out the hard way... Make backup accounts now!

thediesel · #3 06-08-2016

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Im not sure if I can be successful customers dont want to pay with a merchant account. Any ideas why they are not banning these sellers? I am assuming because they are making them too much money? Do you think its because they have been around for 3 or so years? Others continue to get banned.

Im not an angel selling these things, but it pays well. I have reported these listings to paypal, but Paypal does not do anything. Ideally I want an environment were paypal bans everyone or no one at all.

Ebayorbust · #4 06-09-2016

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I have reported these listings to paypal, but Paypal does not do anythin

You won't win many fans on here by doing that.

This whole thread really does sound like a case of sour grapes on your part.

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Ideally I want an environment were paypal bans everyone or no one at all.

That's never going to happen. Accept it and move on.

Assuming that video is actually you, then you've just posted an admission of yourself selling illegal items with some video evidence to back it up.

slokor · #5 06-09-2016

Reporting others because youre having issues? that's low. Noone will appreciate that. Not here of all places.
As for those other sellers - yes it is most likely because theyre using well aged accounts that have excellent selling history and service records associated with them. Get to that point with your accounts and youll enjoy the same privileges. Its just the way it works with ebay/paypal.

thediesel · #6 06-09-2016

I am guilty of sour grapes and I dont ask for sympathy.
I had one account with tons of feedback near 100 percent and that got canned with over 1000 sales. Others have shared similar experiences on here.

I cannot compete if I dont take paypal. Tons of sellers have been affected( not just me), but as I said the top ones remain. This is probably as you guys said due to having an account for a long time.

Is the only way for success to have an aged account with tons of transactions and good feedback? I am thinking that an account has to have feedback in the thousands and been around for 5 plus years.

yankee · #7 06-09-2016

or maybe they do have permissions and manufacturers are not complaining about those sellers.

Impossible to know the ins and outs of other peoples business.

RichardCard82 · #8 06-09-2016

Sorry to hear about your issues OP. I had the same issue back in 2013 when I was selling Microsoft keys. I'd get my listings removed yet sellers with high rep were getting away with it. Not sure how it works but it wasn't fun. At this point you'd need to find something else to sell since you've been banned on numerous occasions. The them its a high risk item and the fact that people can watch movies still in theaters for free is something they won't allow. Reporting others wont solve it

thediesel · #9 06-09-2016

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Originally Posted by yankee

or maybe they do have permissions and manufacturers are not complaining about those sellers.

Impossible to know the ins and outs of other peoples business.

They definitely are not authorized to "jailbreak" items. Manufacturers want you to stay within the lines of their software.

And reporting them wont do anything( I already did previously) and I will try again and will try to get my money that is locked up.

golferman · #10 06-09-2016

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Originally Posted by thediesel

So there have been other people on here that sell "tv boxes with kodi" that got banned by paypal. Obviously this is a jailbroken item and jailbreaking is legal, but the legality of how the end user uses the item definitely is in question.I completely understand why paypal would not take payment for these items

I got banned selling this item( multiple times now), but there are several sellers that have been selling these items for 3 years with over 6000 to 8000 sales and they dont get banned even when they are reported. IT seems like paypal lets them slide because they have the most sales and they only ban sellers with less sales. The titles and descriptions of the listings are virtually the same, but paypal wont ban these sellers. The people do not want to pay with anything but paypal. I guess paypal loves to continue to make money off these sellers.

Here is a phone conversation I had today with paypal. the supervisor stated that " well perhaps they have legal permission to stream the media" when I was reading off the top seller listings that have 6000 to 8000 sales. I do not understand the double standard

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I have no sympathy for you for selling those items. I hate with a passion box sellers. They are screwing up the community and kodi.. and I hope you keep getting banned over and over again!

golferman · #11 06-09-2016

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Originally Posted by thediesel

They definitely are not authorized to "jailbreak" items. Manufacturers want you to stay within the lines of their software.

And reporting them wont do anything( I already did previously) and I will try again and will try to get my money that is locked up.

And those are not even jailbroken, its ROOTED

rsot · #12 06-09-2016

@thediesel, on a positive note - nice youtube video generation and posting.

yaBeh8ater · #13 06-09-2016

kinda newb question but what are "box sellers" and what is kodi?

RichardCard82 · #14 06-09-2016

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Originally Posted by yaBeh8ater

kinda newb question but what are "box sellers" and what is kodi?

Its a box that has android as an OS which allows you to install KODI which is a program used to stream movies, tv shows and live tv for free. Its considered piracy by most. You can use fire stick's as well

RichardCard82 · #15 06-09-2016

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Originally Posted by golferman

I have no sympathy for you for selling those items. I hate with a passion box sellers. They are screwing up the community and kodi.. and I hope you keep getting banned over and over again!

Why so much hate towards these boxes?

thediesel · #16 06-10-2016

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Originally Posted by rsot

@thediesel, on a positive note - nice youtube video generation and posting.

are you being serious? I cant tell.

I read off listings that were are not banned and wanted to get a clearer picture of what they do right that I did not. I never put " free everything", I marketed as you download free and paid apps from an app store

thediesel · #17 06-10-2016

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Originally Posted by golferman

And those are not even jailbroken, its ROOTED

they are actually sideloaded

newjerseymax · #18 06-10-2016

Now I want one and might buy one from these sellers...lol

Sounds pretty good. I cut the cable cord few months back and been living with digital local, which is actually a lot better then would have thought, Hulu and Netflix...

Seems like we have plenty of things to watch... However the one major thing lacking is Sports. How good are these with NFL games?

@theDiesel keep trying and pugging away at it and you could be one of those high sellers. What makes them different, are they using a merchant account maybe? One that accepts PayPal also and are bypassing major reviews?

thediesel · #19 06-10-2016

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Originally Posted by newjerseymax

Now I want one and might buy one from these sellers...lol

Sounds pretty good. I cut the cable cord few months back and been living with digital local, which is actually a lot better then would have thought, Hulu and Netflix...

Seems like we have plenty of things to watch... However the one major thing lacking is Sports. How good are these with NFL games?

@theDiesel keep trying and pugging away at it and you could be one of those high sellers. What makes them different, are they using a merchant account maybe? One that accepts PayPal also and are bypassing major reviews?

I WAS THE TOP SELLER THIS PAST WINTER! Half of the people do not want to pay with a merchant account and a lot of them cancel. The other sellers can still take paypal and paypal does not give a ****. Over fifty percent of the orders cancel and I went from selling 15 to 48 a day to only selling one to two and at much lower profit margins. These sellers advertise " free movies, ppv, etc" and paypal does nothign when reported.

dealagreeproceed · #20 06-10-2016

OP I want to personally thank you. I had never heard of this thing before now

oompaloompa · #21 06-10-2016

it is unfair that other sellers get to do it, although they may not last anyway...
you must have known this could get stopped, anything copyrighted, treads on other peoples toes, so it depends on if and how they chose to report it...
and if that is you on youtube, there was no need to show your face....

thediesel · #22 06-10-2016

[QUOTE=oompaloompa;778767]it is unfair that other sellers get to do it, although they may not last anyway...
you must have known this could get stopped, anything copyrighted, treads on other peoples toes, so it depends on if and how they chose to report it...
and if that is you on youtube, there was no need to show your face....[/QUOTE

I know and Im ticked because had I not been limited until June( first account was limited in march) I would have paid off student loan debt and been able to replace my whip. Nothing sells like this item: nothing. One of the top sellers this weekend sold 81 all in one day: 23 dollars profit per unit at 81 =1863 bucks in one day