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Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

There are several websites which tell how to spot counterfeit Michael Kors watches.
If his watches sold on WMT site have a high return rate,the buyers must have checked authenticity to come to the conclusion they are not authentic.
The best way to find out is to contact Michael Kors and Company,they would be able to tell if these watches are authentic and if not,they would need to find out and persecute the manufacturer and the Canadian who sold him 500 ,how many watch companies can turn out 500 Michael Kors watches for one order??
Think !

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

hate to sound like a parrot,tell your buyer to close the chargeback,Once you upload the Canadian vendor invoice of 500 Michael Kors watches,Paypal or the cc issuer can contact Michael Kors and Company and find out if he is a legit wholesaler/distributor.
Ask if any one of you (you,your friend with the paypal account,the buyer and the CANADIAN WHOLESALER want that to happen)
Also close this thread if possible !!!!!!

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

@agent006140

Aaaand take a deep breath.

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

Well I thought id check this story out as its quite interesting...funnily enough i had something a bit similar (well slightly) happen to me..i bought a iphone xr off ebay and the seller shipped the item..guess what i open the item and its some no brand ebay watch!! Paypal wouldn't refund me as he had a tracking number and delivered scan and they at first tried to tell me i had no proof a watch was shipped..uk police didn't give a crap but i was a furious..so i looked at the weight of a actual phone versues what he sent...there was a difference..i also noted royal mail don't allow you to send phones because of the battery so put this to paypal too..after 3-4 phone calls i got someone who agreed and i got a full refund with some help from a few emails from royal mail..it does go to show that sometimes if you have nothing to lose go for it (oh and btw i only buy and sell on ebay stealths too so all this was on a stealth account.) ...

However i am still baffled by this all..am a ex-banker and the UK rules with most banks are 180 days for chargeback since the transaction date..as standard practise the bank will ask the customer what contact they made with you to try and resolve the matter..i would be asking paypal to see the chargeback full sheet sent by the bank..can u not contact the bank or have paypal not given that info?
id deffo seek legal advice too as it sounds like someones run a scam on you and is laughing on a beach with 62k

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

if someone sent you a watch instead of a phone,you should open a case of item not as described (not item not received) ,then Ebay 30 days Money back guarantee will send you a shipping label to return the watch with tracking,once delivered,you get your money back and shipping cost will be charged to seller's Ebayseller account.
If non Ebay,then Paypal will make you return the item at your own expense,unless you have applied for free return before purchase.
all these are handled by bots,no need to call anyone.

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

Truly an epic thread status is deserved here.

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

Paypal owns the merchant account,as far as the banks are concerned,they are dealing with a merchant called Paypal,we are sub accounts within Paypal,they dont know us.
Paypal does not have to disclose any communication between them and the bank which issue the credit cards .
This is the disadvantage of not having your own merchant account to process credit card transactions.
BTW,Paypal will forward whatever you give them in a chargeback case,it will also send along some of its own findings such as audit trails like IP address etc in case of Unauthorised transaction.

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I know. And that's the problem when it comes to chargebacks on PP. You aren't using a real merchant account so you aren't entitled to see the sensitive information on the chargeback documentation (such as the full CC #, which shows when you use a real merchant account and you get a chargeback notice in the mail).

Anyway I was just pointing out that Paypal will not turn over the chargeback paperwork they get from the financial institution to the seller, so what rdh4life was suggesting will not work.

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

How does Spotify work?
what kind of payment processor does it offer?
I used to have a Propay account ,$35 fee a year,I pay for accepting credit card,making refund,and transferring fund to my bank account,it is still around,check it out !

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

Isn't Spotify a music service? I listen to it myself with my Echo (Alexa) speaker, but I wasn't aware they did anything financial.

This thread is actually about the OP who sold $62k worth of watches and got charged back on. We were all supposed to give him advise and might have scared him off with the direction this thread as turned. ;)

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

OP has more to be scared of than our contribution to his thread.
Once he uploaded his vendor invoice that he purchased 500 Michael Kors watches from a Canadian seller,for this kind of money ,the cc issuer which decides the outcome would be calling M Kors & Co to verify this Canadian supplier.
If it turns out they have never done business with him,it will contact legal authority to track down his source,probably a factory in China,every one in the pathway could be in trouble,from the factory,to the wholesaler to the reseller and retailer and the payment processor and the sales venues (ebay,wmt,and probably amzn,bonanza,retail stores all over the world).
If the factory can churn out 500 watches in no time,what else is it churning out?
if this buyer of his who ordered 500 MK watches and now want some Cassio watches,if he can move such large number,why is he ordering from some stranger on internet,why cant he find a cheaper source and cut out this middleman?
He insisted on making Paypal payments,he is leaving a trail behind,he may think he is covered by Paypal buyer protection,cc chargeback,but he should have paid with cash instead.
And I dont mean wiretransfer,cahsier check or money order,postal order,I mean Cash cASH .
Lets hope for the best that these are authentic MK watches for OP sake

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

The only person in trouble is the owner of the paypal account. Nobody is gonna spend anytime looking for a factory in china cause they will never find it LOL. Obviously they are not auth watches. Because if they were op wouldn't be so worried. Anyways OP. Best thing u should do is tell ur "biz partner" to claim he had no idea what was going on and was hacked or something. But if the money was going to the persons bank account yeah u got some legal issues. Anyways Paypal deserve shiiit like this for allowing retards to complain for 6 months. WHAT A JOKE.

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

He probably meant shopify

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

LOL paypal aint gonna contact anyone or look for anyone, they are gonna leave the account in the RED and MAYBE go to court. They arent gonna jump through hoops to look for who to blame. They will do what there normal protocol is and it ends there. You have way too much faith in the system. Account owner is gonna foot the bill or paypal will.

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Lol your joking right? Everything you posted screams "I sell f4ke watches". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know your not buying 500+ authentic high end watches from "Canada" & flipping them to someone else who is selling them all in a couples months and everyone is able to make profit off of it.

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

There is a BIG red flag about the OP's story:

If the watches were 100% authentic and he was indeed scammed out of $62,000 as claimed, WHY IN HELL didn't he involve the authorities straight away?

When scammed like this, normal people sure as hell would make a report to law enforcement or complete an Affidavit of Fraud available at any police station, courthouse, or attorney.

Criminals would normally not want to draw attention to themselves, I guess for obvious reasons.

Making a formal Police Report and Fraud Affidavit go a long way to establish credibility to to the OP's case. There is no mention of that anywhere in this thread.

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This is not outright theft,the case is pending or was pending ,the issue is authenticity,a he said she said situation which the cc issuer would have to decide,and what is the best way to determine if they are authentic is to call the manufacturer Michael KOrs & Company.

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

You wanna bet they cant find the factory which churns out these watches?
same with designer handbags,Nike ,Adidas shoes,hoodies and more/

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

Chargeback is decide by the buyer's cc issuer,not Paypal/
You lack understanding of intl law on counterfeit branded items.

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Sure they can find the factory.. but they have 0 recourse after that. Those kinds of factories operate with the government's blessing in CN.

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

not anymore.

Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
 

yes,I mean shopify,some said it is a waste of time to sell there,SOME said it produces results?
Like Bonanza,try to think if I ever sold anything this year?