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Avoiding SSN - outside of the U.S., that is
 

If you live in canada paypal dont need SSN
Small trick that may work for you people.
register paypal in canada by using canada dileup (so you will be calling long distance ...can be used for paypal . All phones can be redirected and online bank account can be opened. So you can verify all the info.

Or move to Japan. 8)

you dont need to be canadian to have a canadian bank account.
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there are allot of online banks and some you can do all staff online. You can add names and staff..
bank account is not a huge problem.
Why this trick is special is because you live in usa and it will look like you are in canada. All of your gaypal info will be in canada so there is no way they can ask SexN

I bet no canadian dialup is necessary (or there is a free canadian dialup which you can use for free with a free nationwide and canada calling plan). But better yet find a canadian proxy server or VPN.


I have a better solution than moving your pressumed presence out of a country. We all work, most of us at least, and those who do not work now probably have an old W-2 tax form.

This tax form contains a federal tax id of your ******* employer, who works you as a slave for some money which you always run out of fast.

That number can be used instead of an ssn. Your employer might need a brand new ebay and paypal account, and they just might need you to manage it and sell things on it.

Ask them if they want you to make a user id for them. :)

Let us know how it goes...
 

so far I have heard you can, but I haven't heard of anyone that has.

So is the premise that with this method you can avoid being limited as well once $ start coming in???

It is rather hard to say if a Canadian paypal account would be limited. You must remember
that any paypal account of ANY country must be verified. As a flow on, you must carefully
use ebay (not sell vero, ship quickly) and get your fbs. Then you still have to mind how
money comes into your account. Just because you have crossed the border it is not a given that all will be OK. Good Luck if you do decide to do this. You might also like to tell
the forum what happens.

this will give %100 that if paypal limits your account and if you get to the point of verification where they want your SNN BAMM you from canada and there is nothing to vrarify.. exapt of All ⊗⊗⊗⊗ staff like bank acount, phone number and be fully verify.
there are so many people from canada that use ebay unbeliveble and here you are having small SNN problem. canadian proxy server or VPN can be used to hide from paypals proxy protection and phone redirections can be used for phone verifications. I do belive people here shuld test this farther and come up with safe way of using paypal where we are protected and in control.

how are you able to open these canadian bank accounts? You need a canadian residence and a SIN (canadian social) to open any bank account there.

Oh no will gaypal start demanding Canadian social now?

you can open it and you can ⊗⊗⊗⊗ the number for online banks because they dont chek. Paypal is the only one who cheks. for paypal you will have bank account that dont chek ssn. I have heard that you can open online bank with ⊗⊗⊗⊗ info easy. Actually i remember people on this forum saying something how they done it.

leonid, there is no country in the world of banking that will allow a false SIN/SSN like
you suggest. 'Cept maybe Russia. Banking requirements have changed. It is called FRAUD.
If it backfires, Comrade, you will end up in a gulag. leonid, there are a lot of newbies
coming here to the forum. If they do not read and work out correct workable ways the
forum/aspkin could be in deep sh*t. brrr!:eek:

there are many ways and non of them are legal. we need bank account for verification than you can clowse it if you want to ... from verifyd paypal you can trancfer $ to authorize.com or somwere else or whatever
if you are looking for legal way then go fill up the paypal and ebay reinstatement form and sit there with no $ when you need kids to feed.
i guess you will say go get job? or you have better solution? at least i giving ideyas because it looks like this forum is out of new ideyas. And no way any one can do anything because you dont receve money on that bank account you send your $ some where else. no one can proove that you are the person whos bank account that is anyway.

leonid, my concern is to not do anything illegal regarding a financial institution. That is it.
Nothing illegal regarding the bank. I worked for a financial company in credit card fraud:
not pleasant what we had the power to do to a person creating a bank fraud.
And that was prior to 9/11.

id love to move to japan, i loveeeee japanese girls, yum :)

You dont need to open a Canadian bank account to use Paypal canada. You can add a Canadian or US bank account.

so basically all you need is canada ip and canada bank. I wonder if us bank and us ip will do? It is very interesting to know what exactly they are looking at..
maybe they just look at the paypal address and if is in canada they wont ask for your SSN

Why would you use a canadian bank account if you live in the US? Paypal Canada accept both canadian and american bank account!

You can use Tossabledigits to get a virtual canadian phone number. Vonage is also a good choice.

To get a canadian visa or mc gift card you can cross the border and pick one at any grocery, convenience store... You can also ask ivegotinfo maybe he has some to sell.

What's the distinction between a US and Canadian VISA? The merchant wouldn't know the transaction occurred in USD instead of CAD. You would have to pay the VISA exchange rate, but how would paypal know?

Yeah, and I don't think you can use a canadian address with a US issued card and vice versa.

i think we are missing the point here.
when paypal ask you to give them your SSN ..
how do they know if you are in us or canada?
how? by adress? by ip? by bank?
do they ask canadian sitizens for some kind of canada SSN that they can verify? i think not.
i think they look by adress and ip only. or maybe just adress?

To verify a canadian account you only need a valid bank account (From Canada or the US). To confirm your addresse you need a valid canadian credit card or gift card (visa, mc, amex, discover) and a valid phone number. They will never ask for ssn here, but they might ask you to fax them a governement photo id like a driver license, passport... (only if youre limited)

It cannot be that easy ;-)
so i dont know why people here are complaning here about SSN

so if im in US and i want cadadian account i do not iven have to have canda ip adresS?

In addition to any government ID they also ask for bank statement, utility bill, supplier info and invoices ..buts that it. It is that easy...for paypal canada the only thing you have to worry about is linking accounts. Only time i ever didnt get my limitation removed was when it got linked to past accounts or was to lazy to submit anything. But the Ip address thing will probably get you limited... i know a friend of mine that had a US Paypal with a debit card and his account got limited after logging in with a Canadian IP only.

It would also make things complicated for your buyers...your paypal is registered in canada but selling from the US...i think it would raise red flags eventually.

bank statement, utility bill, supplier info and invoices not problem. I will not be using this paypal on ebay at all. I will ofcorse change ips and clean cookeys. So you think that i cannot use USa ip for Canadian paypal account? also is there a good websites that i can get Canada gift cards from?

Also you know based on all the information paypal demands from you, they could actually call your bank, impersonate you. They demand a utility bill and paypal could impersonate you. Stuff like that. I doubt paypal has done that and it's unlikely they will, but well..

someone should relaly sit down one day and spend some time and figure this thing out.. Im pretty sure there is a way around this PayPal thing... if im the first to do it, will I get a reward??? I am serious.

So far Canada paypal works in us if you know what you are doing. And there is no way they can ask for your SSN. I have not got limited yet so we will see.
any one knows any good canada gift cards?

Absolutely right!

Ok, I've been successfully using unlimited long distance to Canada that I got from my telephone company, ATT, and now they suspended my long distance service because using long distance to dialing up is against their TOS. Is it possible to get any 3rd party long distance plan to dial up to Canada? Can anyone advice such 3rd party company, please?

I dont think it 'illegal' to open a paypal account in canada because they give the option of adding a US bank account. Using a gift card or credit card is no different than adding a gift card to a US account.

there are many long distance services outthere. Big companys will suspend your longdistance if theyr program will see you dailing out to canada for example and smaller companys wont iven care.
you can also use payd proxys that wuld work (not all of them) I dont think paypal cares from what ip you register as long as it is not suspendet one. It is totally possible to register canada paypal with no problem as long as you can provide them with documents that they want.

If anyone has proven this method works please say so then i can look into it a little more. I am very interested in this method if it does work but i dont have the time right now to chase after false hope

If you dont expirement you will never know.. People are lazy ;-) Everething is possble.

Extension:
I am a non-US resident with no SSN. I was wondering, if I had my friend in the US collect/forward mail for me, could I use my friend's address, and then a Federal Tax ID (EIN) in place of a SSN when applying for a bank account? Obviously I would only have my foreign passport/government issued ID, but I know some banks are pretty lenient towards this as they want new customers even if they are non-US residents/foreigners. I think that if anything I could get some random EIN, but in all cases the Federal Tax ID will have no relation to me (obviously the EIN is not even my "employer") so wouldnt my application just be rejected when they run a search on my "SSN"? Also, do you know of which banks I can use a EIN in place of my SSN and can withdraw Paypal? So far I've done the Netspend route, but am looking for alternatives, preferably a real deal bank. I am no fraudster and can have ALL my identification info/documents notarized and verified if needed!

It doesn't look like anyone has tested this theory yet. Have you? I'm interested in trying it out. However, every bank in Canada that I've seen so far requires their version of a SSN. How do you get around that?

The only problem is actually with a Canadian IP. What would be the ways to get one? Lon distance dialing up doesnt work, at least for me, because it is against TOS of my phone company (ATT)

I know people in Canada. The IP isn't the issue. Opening a bank account as a non Canadian citizen seems to be the issue? help?

You will be interested in this. Scroll down to the book entitled "Invisible Money"

See Appendix A:
Canadian Bank Accounts for Non-Canadians

CanaryIslandsPress - Books by JJ Luna


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