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Time after time the last months has generated great sales for me wich is awesome, cause i sell badass merch for low prices wich make everbody happy.
But the last two months ive lost around 1000 (yeah it sucks!) thanks to "friendly" buyers who pays and then 20-35 days later opens a paypal dispute and ofcourse paypal gives them their money back but they DONT ask the buyers to ship my merch back before they close the dispute. So now im hunting down 2 buyers that wont respond on emails. I mean cant i do something??

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I lost my best account thanks to scammers.
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There have to be a way to get atleast the merchandise.
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When a buyer opens a dispute in paypal for items not as described, Paypal gives you the option to respond tot he case and tell them to a)Refund Buyer b) Ask buyer to return item & then refund 3) Other

If you respond, you can chose one of the options, if you ignore the case, the case will close and go in the buyers favor.

You cannot ignore the case and then worry about your money after this has happened.
Also, to insure yourself, you should ALWAYS send items with a tracking number so that you are covered as much as you can be in case of charge backs, Or item not received cases etc.
Because you will be asked for a tracking number for this as well. If you don't have tracking, you may as well wave goodbye to the item and money.
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I know but the case were escalated 1min after the case was opened, i provided tracking. 4-5 days later money gone, case closed
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I know but the case were escalated 1min after the case was opened, i provided tracking 4-5 days later money gone, case closed
Appeal the case? Supply tracking again?
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Appeal the case? Supply tracking again?
Hmm , i will try. Thanks
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I have this same scam pulled on me:

Buyer reported "item not as described"

I pick the option for the buyer to send it back to me and i would refund him/her..

Few days later i get a package with tracking in the mail.. It was a box with a greeting card it it signed "thank you for the free Macbook pro.

Paypal refunded them as soon as the tracking showed that i received the returned package. I call paypal and tell them what happened.. They reply sorry, have a nice day!

FML I feel your pain Univerzal
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I have this same scam pulled on me:

Buyer reported "item not as described"

I pick the option for the buyer to send it back to me and i would refund him/her..

Few days later i get a package with tracking in the mail.. It was a box with a greeting card it it signed "thank you for the free Macbook pro.

Paypal refunded them as soon as the tracking showed that i received the returned package. I call paypal and tell them what happened.. They reply sorry, have a nice day!

FML I feel your pain Univerzal
Wow a laptop!!
I would have opened a police case for that value.
The way i see it, is if i buyer is going to act like a criminal,
then treat him like one & report him!
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I have this same scam pulled on me

FML I feel your pain Univerzal
Damn thats sick! Same situation sure, but your buyer was way more disrespectful. I will wait a few days to set my mind right.

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Wow a laptop!!
I would have opened a police case for that value.
The way i see it, is if i buyer is going to act like a criminal,
then treat him like one & report him!
The thing is that the police is just to much work (atleast in my case)
I have tried it before and nothing happened (except that i got a scammer that now knows to much about me) Damn i HATE scammers!

Please everbody who reads keep the ideas coming
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I actually did talk to a police officer. He told me mail fraud is a huge problem and should always be reported of course, but that it is VERY unlikely that they will ever get your money back.. especially since I am in Canada and the item was shipped to the US.

I just said forget it and moved on :(
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Few days later i get a package with tracking in the mail.. It was a box with a greeting card it it signed "thank you for the free Macbook pro.
Wow, I'd be so pissed off reading that card. I too had someone scam me of over 2500$ back in 10' purchased 5 phones from me, they wanted a refund, So i had them ship the items back. When i received it, I opened up the shipment and it was a bunch of playboy magazines. Long story short, I even provided a police report and I lost the battle. I don't deal with high prices items on eBay or amazon anymore
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Yes, the problem is the scammers have nothing to lose. Even should paypal side with seller so what? Scammer still has merchandice and can keep it , resell it, whatever. Of course seller always loses either way cause scammer will leave bad feedback. If paypal wanted to be fair they would remove any feedback from buyer that lose case. But they dont give a **** about us so they feel to **** on us.
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This kind of stuff is what IC3 does every day. Contact them and open a case. Its simple really. Ive done it a few times and it works.
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I remember that I watched one video on youtube about the same thing that happen to this man. He called the cops and they arrived. He video taped himself opening the box in front of the cop and inside was just trash. The police wrote it down and reported that buyer which can get the buyer in big trouble. The video is still on youtube, however I forgot the name.
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ive seen that video.
if it was for a phone its the one im thinking off.
whenever i get a item sent back to me before i open it i start video recording it.
then you can upload the video to paypal.
ive done it a few times and ive always won the appeal
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I actually did talk to a police officer. He told me mail fraud is a huge problem and should always be reported of course, but that it is VERY unlikely that they will ever get your money back.. especially since I am in Canada and the item was shipped to the US.

I just said forget it and moved on :(
Damn that sucks , im gonna give this a few more days and then reset my anger and forget about it, but for now...Its war hehe

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I remember that I watched one video on youtube about the same thing that happen to this man. He called the cops and they arrived. He video taped himself opening the box in front of the cop and inside was just trash. The police wrote it down and reported that buyer which can get the buyer in big trouble. The video is still on youtube, however I forgot the name.
Great info (hopefully i get the merch back and will record it)

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Use this method:

"The picture that made my day"
Im quite a "friendly" person but belive me i think about doing something like this every time i think about my well earned money just slipped out of my pocket
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I have this same scam pulled on me:

Buyer reported "item not as described"

I pick the option for the buyer to send it back to me and i would refund him/her..

Few days later i get a package with tracking in the mail.. It was a box with a greeting card it it signed "thank you for the free Macbook pro.

Paypal refunded them as soon as the tracking showed that i received the returned package. I call paypal and tell them what happened.. They reply sorry, have a nice day!

FML I feel your pain Univerzal

I would of gone to the police, Have you done anything about this yet?
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Are you guys selling to aged accounts? Just wondering, for any high ticket items I will cancel the orders if its sent to a forwarding place, unconfirmed address, low feedback, or new account.
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i would of gone to the police, have you done anything about this yet?
i would have said its been damaged in post and returned it and forward tracking number to ebay or paypal.
It works both ways whoever arranges courier has to open the claim with courier.
You get refunded he wont open a claim as hes got it unless he wants to damage it.
Works for me everytime
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i would have said its been damaged in post and returned it and forward tracking number to ebay or paypal.
It works both ways whoever arranges courier has to open the claim with courier.
You get refunded he wont open a claim as hes got it unless he wants to damage it.
Works for me everytime
smart, too bad people can't just be honest anymore

I do love the stories where the seller scams the scammer, they have it comming and its a lesson well earned (not that you're doing this but if anybody has stories )
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smart, too bad people can't just be honest anymore

I do love the stories where the seller scams the scammer, they have it comming and its a lesson well earned (not that you're doing this but if anybody has stories )
if you like stories have you tried this
Welcome to the 419 Eater
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