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Default PayPal Pulls A shady Move...

I had a buyer dispute in one of my accounts. It said that the buyer had until to sept. 13th to respond to the claim that they escalated or the dispute would be closed.

Now all of the sudden the date changed to Sept. 19th

why are they giving the buyer more time for a claim that they are not responding to?

It has already been a month.
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I have seen that before also.
I have also see that set date come and go with NO contact from the buyer and the dispute would still be going on.
No surprise with any crap from PP... LOL
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Paypal likes to pretend they have a say in the matter.. When chargebacks happened they are screwed and take it out on us.. ;\ Seller protection... LOL..
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Posted on June 13, 2010, updated September 30, 2010
Posted on May 26, 2010, updated June 13, 2010
Posted on May 26, 2010, updated May 26, 2010
Posted on May 12, 2010, updated May 26, 2010
To: Dan Pierce / RareSeedSource.com / FutureSystems.com / ClickButt.com TEL.: 760-941-9761, FutureSystems, 1700 Bittersweet Hill, Vista, CA 92084, email: dan@futuresystems.com and: dp@futuresystems.com

Mr. Pierce,

On 5th of May 2010 I placed an order for seeds and paid via Paypal and soon after I realised that your Paypal-verified emails are bouncing and you are unreachable by phone, your WHOIS info is either unavailable on DomainTools.com or is not up to date, 7 days after I paid there is no email invoice or shipping estimate. I also believe that your website was set up as an online scam. When I checked your website on Archive.org - there is no change year after year since 2004 and all the activity stops around year 2008. Yet Paypal allows you to collect money, so this is also a questionable practice by Paypal (Ebay) Inc. as well. Also you are not responding to Paypal representative's calls, therefore I'm not interested in purchasing from you and am canceling this transaction. I will be reporting your business to Federal Trade Commission, Better Business Bureau, InterNIC (incorrect, ⊗⊗⊗⊗ contact data for your domains) and other organisations.On May 26th, 2010, NorthSC added the following:

PAYPAL FRAUD CASE: (KMM169617033I96L0KM) pk1
Transaction ID: 52895881WR363182F
Amount: $9.44 (USD)

Paypal and Hosting Company of RARESEEDS.COM, take a look at this!

1. Go to: WHOIS at DomainTools.com - Domain Availability and Registration Search
2. Search for FUTURESYSTEMS.COM (Dan Pierce's email is dp@futuresystems.com also dan@futuresystems.com)
3. The whois is probably hacked and shows no contact info, only the IP address in... China!
4. Go to: 210.75.241.82 IP Address WHOIS | DomainTools.com
5. Here's the whois result:

IP Location: China China Beijing China Science & Technology Network
IP Address: 210.75.241.82 [Whois] [Reverse-Ip] [Ping] [DNS Lookup] [Traceroute]
inetnum: 210.75.224.0 - 210.75.255.255
netname: CSTNET
descr: China Science & Technology Network
descr: No.4,4th South Street, Zhong Guan Cun, Haidian District,
descr: P.O.Box 349,Beijing 100080
country: CN
admin-c: LH90-AP
tech-c: LH90-AP
status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
remarks: Send abuse reports to
changed: 20080625
mnt-by: MAINT-CNNIC-AP
mnt-lower: MAINT-CNNIC-AP
mnt-routes: MAINT-CN-CSTNET
source: APNIC

route: 210.75.224.0/19
descr: Route origin from CSTNET
country: CN
origin: AS7497
remarks: Please contact if you have any
remarks: questions regarding this object.
remarks: Antispam mail please send to .
notify:
mnt-by: MAINT-CN-CSTNET
changed: 20090511
source: APNIC

person: Li Hong
nic-hdl: LH90-AP
e-mail:
address: No.4, Zhongguancun 4th South Street, Haidian District, Beijing
phone: +86-10-58812000
fax-no: +86-10-58812900
country: CN
changed: 20041109
mnt-by: MAINT-CN-LIHONG
source: APNIC

=================================================

6. Here's the whois result for RARESEEDSOURCE.COM:

Rareseedsource.com - Rare Seed Source

Reverse Whois:
"Dan Pierce" owns about71 other domains
Email Search:
is associated with about 41 domains
Registrar History:
1 registrar with 2 drops.
NS History:
1 change on 2 unique name servers over 7 years.
IP History:
4 changes on 3 unique name servers over 6 years.
Whois History:
25 records have been archived since 2004-07-01 .
Reverse IP:
879 other sites hosted on this server.
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Registrant:
Dan Pierce 7609419761
FutureSystems
1700 Bittersweet Hill
Vista,CA,United States 92084

Domain Name:rareseedsource.com
Record last updated at 2008-05-31 22:24:45
Record created on 2003/6/4
Record expired on 2010/6/4

Domain servers in listed order:
ns.clickbutt.com ns2.24-7nameservers.com

Administrator:
1700 Bittersweet Hill
Vista
CA,
United States
92084

name:(Dan Pierce)
mail:() 7609419761
FutureSystems
Technical Contactor:
1700 Bittersweet Hill
Vista
CA,
United States
92084

name:(Dan Pierce)
mail:() 7609419761
FutureSystems
Billing Contactor:
1700 Bittersweet Hill
Vista
CA,
United States
92084

name:(Dan Pierce)
mail:() 7609419761
FutureSystems

Registration Service Provider:
name: FutureSystems
tel: 7609419761
fax: 7609419774
web:http://www.servergrotto.com

================================================== ===

7. RARESEEDSOURCE.COM is hosted at SERVERGROTTO.COM

Result: DOMAIN NOT FOUND!

Servergrotto.com - Server Grotto

8. NS record for RARESEEDSOURCE.COM is CLICKBUTT.COM yet clickbutt,com website shows a fatal error and the second NS record is
24-7nameservers.com and is located in Australia: 24-7nameservers.com - 24 7 Nameservers

Clickbutt.com - Click Butt

Reverse Whois:
"FutureSystems -" owns about60 other domains
Email Search:
is associated with about 17 domains
is associated with about 41 domains
Registrar History:
2 registrars
NS History:
1 change on 2 unique name servers over 8 years.
IP History:
5 changes on 5 unique name servers over 6 years.
Whois History:
17 records have been archived since 2001-01-01 .
Reverse IP:
250 other sites hosted on this server.
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Registrant:
FutureSystems - -
FutureSystems
1700 Bittersweet Hill
Vista, CA 92084-7621,-,- -

Domain Name:clickbutt.com
Record last updated at 2009-11-23 16:56:14
Record created on 1997/1/2
Record expired on 2011/1/2

Domain servers in listed order:
ns.clickbutt.com ns2.24-7nameservers.com

Administrator:
Name-- Pierce, Daniel
EMail-: ()
tel --: 760 941-9761
org: Pierce, Daniel

FutureSystems,-,- -

Technical Contactor:
Name-- FutureSystems
EMail-: ()
tel --: 760 941-9761
org: FutureSystems

1700 Bittersweet Hill,-,- -

Billing Contactor:
Name-- -
EMail-: (-)
tel --: -
org: -
-
-,-,- -

Registration Service Provider:
name: FutureSystems
tel: 7609419761
fax: 7609419774
web:http://www.servergrotto.com

================================================== ===

As you can see some of the WHOIS info is intentionally missing. Servergrotto.com is no longer available online. Clickbutt.com displays fatal PHP error.

CONCLUSION: RARESEEDSOURCE.COM was "established" from the very beginning as a SCAM, FRAUD website probably based in China, with "co-operation" of "Dan Pierce" (if that's not a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ person) and (now) they are trying to hide their buttocks.

And!!! what's most interesting is that PAYPAL allowed them to scam people for all these years since 2004 or at least since 2008!

On May 26th, 2010, NorthSC added the following:

I just came up with a little bit more info on this case. As a test I decided to "send" $1 to Dan Pierce's Paypal account and here's the result:

================================================== =======

Review your payment and send

Please check the following information before continuing. View PayPal policies and your payment source rights.
Description Amount
Payment To $1.00 USD

dp@futuresystems.com

Verified Premier Member (4430)

================================================== ======

Hard facts:

1. Verified Premier Member (4430!!)
2. All emails are bouncing.
3. (Yet his website) Has been seen advertising on Google Adwords over a week ago.
4. Accepts all payments.
5. Does not ship any goods.
6. Does not respond any messages, neither email, nor phone or voice mail.
7. Does not respond to Paypal representative's messages.
8. As of today (26th of May 2010) Paypal is not closing this Paypal account, allowing them to collect more money from unsuspecting customers.

Conclusion: DECEASED or FRAUD.On June 13th, 2010, NorthSC added the following:

UPDATE: Although http://www.rareseedsource.com website has been shut down (upon my complaint and probably complaints of other people) by the hosting company, but PAYPAL is still accepting payments for dp@futuresystems.com (Dan Pierce) who respectfully still is Paypal's Verified Premier Member (4430). Perhaps Dan Pierce never existed, or perhaps he deceased, yet Paypal has the nerve to keep accepting payments to this account. Try sending $1 to dp@futuresystems.com and see how it goes.On September 30th, 2010, NorthSC added the following:

UPDATE: Today (30 SEPTEMBER 2010) I tried to "send" $1 to:
dan@futuresystems.com (Verified Premier Member (4430)) and Paypal allows to do that. Just to compare matters, I tried to "send" $1 to a person, who scammed me for $85 on Paypal some years ago and never paid me back. Paypal says "This user is unable to receive money at this time". So Paypal is able to block certain people from receiving money, but RARESEEDSOURCE.COM (the domain still exists, is active and is not shut down) is probably too profitable (in scammed money floating in) in order for Paypal to shut it down. Interesting how such large companies and corporations would undermine their own reputation in order to collect a big amount of dishonest bucks.
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That is a big mess you just posted. A little more detail like to summarise it would be nice
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That is a big mess you just posted. A little more detail like to summarise it would be nice
If you read it all, you will understand.
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If you read it all, you will understand.
i did, i got some part of it. stilll have a headache, at the end a nice summary just to conclude.
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