Amazon is making me crazy!!!

The Amazon server that applies to ebaykilla's geographic area may not be the same server that applies to everyone. ebaykilla is fortunate that his MAC isn't being tracked. The server for my area tracks MAC. Others here get MAC tracked too. I believe that very few Amazon servers were overlooked for the MAC tracking upgrade that happened earlier this year.

I'd assume the worst and plan for that. Instead of crossing my toes and praying for mercy to the gods of www.

[Hercules]

I made an acc a week ago just acting newbie. I love asking stupid questions so the forum people get mad... Still up on my main computer. I just made one now with what we know... no problem. I have a suspended acc... Maybe its what you list. I dropship electonics and in the past they want to know everything and I had to list so slow for Amazon to trust me. Like 250 bucks gross sales the first month, doubling that figure each month there after. I have four Pc's and I've been all over them with all the sites I sell on with no linking.

[ebaykilla]

just to be clear...i do not believe in the whole MAC tracing thing. I live in NYC and I do not believe they track MAC addresses as they can be cloaked and changed at will (which I do anyway). I have opened at least 12 different successful amazon accounts over the past year alone...all with the same computer without re-formatting the drive (i just use separate user accounts) I can easily avg $1k a month without an issue. choose whatever method you want, but I don't see anyone else here successful on amazon...but by the same token..no one has followed my method exactly as I tell it except 1 or 2 guys and they are back selling.

Well, I've trapped 2way packets and I can *SEE* where Amazon has been polling my system for MACs.

Yes, anyone can change MACs. But hardly anyone ever tries. Amazon knows that the typical seller is not hardware savvy. So the server that you get when you log in doesn't seem to want your MAC. Yay for you. Today.

I think it's a combination of your theory and my fact. Either that, or you are wrong and my fact stands. I discussed this with you in PM, diplomatically and sensibly.

I guess that didn't suit you very well, contrary to your final reply.

What's happening in my area will reach your area. Others know it. Be prepared or don't. I tried...

[Burst]

Simple confirmed fix, netbook. $300 and youre back fresh.

A seller has also acquired an open wifi network for extra safety though.

[ebaykilla]

Originally Posted by Orion

Simple confirmed fix, netbook. $300 and youre back fresh.

A seller has also acquired an open wifi network for extra safety though.

Sure a new computer works for a while (i have done it before), however, if you have about 60 items that you list and got banned with those exact same items before.....you will be linked eventually provided your ip is in a range that got banned before.

Getting back on amazon is a balancing act especially if you have a large selling list. If I sold under 10 items I would never be linked (new computer or old computer). I only start to get linked when I get closer to 20 items of a previously banned user. Then the bot's algorithm starts to figure me out.

[ebaykilla]

Originally Posted by vicvelcro

Well, I've trapped 2way packets and I can *SEE* where Amazon has been polling my system for MACs.

Yes, anyone can change MACs. But hardly anyone ever tries. Amazon knows that the typical seller is not hardware savvy. So the server that you get when you log in doesn't seem to want your MAC. Yay for you. Today.

I think it's a combination of your theory and my fact. Either that, or you are wrong and my fact stands. I discussed this with you in PM, diplomatically and sensibly.

I guess that didn't suit you very well, contrary to your final reply.

What's happening in my area will reach your area. Others know it. Be prepared or don't. I tried...

I can disagree with you in an open forum. That's what it is here for. We can agree to disagree.

My question to you is...are you back selling on amazon? If not, then when is the last sustained selling period you have had?

[ebaykilla]

The biggest difference between Amazon and eBay is the fact that the listings on ebay are dynamic while amazon's listings are static. You can only list what amazon offers and you use their listings...whereas ebay allows you to make up your own listings. This makes it easier or amazon to track you because you are forced to use their items in their format. Ebay would do this too if they took the "freedom" away from the sellers to sell whatever they want to sell. All amazon needs to do is look at the likelyhood of a person to sell the exact same combination of goods from a particular ip range, isp provider, with the same OS & browser.

I challenge anyone here to create an amazon account with one item in a totally different catergory (example: if you were banned selling dvds, list one used book) using the eBay Stealth method (but don't add the bank account right away and change the last 2 sets of alpha/numeric codes in your mac address). Comeback here are tell us if you got banned. If you last 24 hrs, you will not be banned unless you back to selling your old items right away. For kicks and giggles...someone please try this. I am 100% confident is this method.

Certainly. I asked that you avoid encouraging people to let their guard down and explained my findings. You agreed in private, yet come back in the open with a contrary pattern. I think that is careless and unproductive.

Originally Posted by ebaykilla

I can disagree with you in an open forum. That's what it is here for. We can agree to disagree.

I am not back on until I buy all new equipment and finish a more complete study of the results gained by poking and probing. My last sustained selling period was near the end of May, maybe 10 weeks ago. All attempts to get back on have been "Amazon FAIL" and I mentioned it all in the forum in various threads.

There are two of your RECENT suggestions that I have not implemented due to not having retried anything during the past 10-14 days. I do think your advice about adding bank is relevant and probably does factor into the linking criteria. I'm sure it is mostly graded on a cumulative scale. However, I also think that there are a couple of factors that can be a stand-alone link.

Obviously 'name' would do it. Cookies would do it. MAC would do it. Flash objects would do it. IP address would be a strong factor. And so forth.

I don't disagree with your theories. You disagree with my analysis. I DO disagree with you as regards you encouraging complacency in others just because YOU don't have ONE particular issue. And you aren't even SURE you don't have it. Maybe you have simply been lucky.

My question to you is...are you back selling on amazon? If not, then when is the last sustained selling period you have had?

This is the first time you have encouraged this. So far, you've been telling people MAC is no big deal, whereas I HAVE been telling people. You have directly stated that I'm out of my mind for thinking MAC makes a difference.

Originally Posted by ebaykilla

I challenge anyone here to create an amazon account with one item in a totally different catergory (example: if you were banned selling dvds, list one used book) using the eBay Stealth method (but don't add the bank account right away and change the last 2 sets of alpha/numeric codes in your mac address). Comeback here are tell us if you got banned. If you last 24 hrs, you will not be banned unless you back to selling your old items right away. For kicks and giggles...someone please try this. I am 100% confident is this method.

As recently as post #48 (on this page), you said:

Originally Posted by ebaykilla

just to be clear...i do not believe in the whole MAC tracing thing.

I think you should have left it the way you had it in post #21:

Originally Posted by ebaykilla

I think I am done talking about amazon on the forum...

[ebaykilla]

I'm packin a mac in the back of an ak....

Lucky? That's funny..maybe I should play lotto because I have a 75% success rate towards making a new account THE FIRST TRY. 100% after four tries or less.

I think everyone should change their MAC address to force an IP change. Practice it and it works like a charm instead of buying additional routers or leaving one off for 24 hrs. I do it everytime and I have stated this in my previous posts long ago. I used to swap routers to force an ip change and that worked as well. but lately i have been changing my mac address since I finally figured out how to do it to make multiple accounts in a day. so my mention of it here is to get someone to try my method to make an amazon account. there is alot of debate here and I wanted to "prove" my theory to work. you are surely entitled to your opinion about how amazon tracks, however, you haven't been successful and I have been...so I do think my method holds more weight. I want people to get back on and make money while you are working on your theory. time is money for some people and i want them to get back out there. my info is 100% free and it dose me good to here people get back on and thank me later. you have been unsuccessful yet you are highly critical of me while I have been successful. not to mention you have yet to try my method so why are you so critical? your explanation is making it difficult for people to understand who to get back on. anyone who read post #53 should be able to get back on amazon. buying a new computer cuts into your profits and if you do not get on because you are linked due to what i explained in post #53, it a big waste of money! all you need to buy is a gift card & new number to get back on.

You saying I should have quit giving advise on amazon? Well your wish is granted!!! Post #53 is my last on this topic...good luck guys!

my name is ebaykilla and i approve this message!

[AmazonSeller]

Hi Guys, I am a real newbe here and your likely to shoot me down, but hey here goes.
Stop the press.......you two are right in your own way. But arguing aint right. The guys who come on this forum, like me are time short and need great advice.....given quickly. Its took me weeks to get a system that works 100%. So here it is, for all those newbies :-

100% Fire proof guide to getting stealth on Amazon
1. Use new to you pc, buy from big company. Why? Most give a 28 day no quibble money back guarantee. Take it back if you get rumbled. Clear it all before you do though. Finally ensure you pay cash
2. New mobile dongle with brand new sim, this will ensure ip address is unused
3. F`ake name and mobile phone number.
4. New Stealth Pre-pay credit card (payzone, virgin etc etc)
5. List "one safe" item first week. Buy some cheap books and list them. You dont have to make a profit, just get some good feedback.
6. Second week add some more items about 10 - 15 max
7. Ensure when using delivery that you send from another location, they can now track your posting location.
8. Never use your old computer to check on old accounts, it will link.
9. Add bank account about two weeks in. Get a business account and use same name on account as the card you signed up with.
10. Dont refund using amazon, unless you have to. Use their gift certificates if buyers agree, even give them a little more for their trouble. They dont like refunds.
11. Sell, the EXACTLY the same products as advertised, they hate people who dont list the correct products.
12. Dont let A to Zs happen, do everything you can to prevent.
13. Enjoy the profits :0

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nicely covered, I think.

Amazon did some funky new stuff behind the scenes and I have FAILED several times trying different tactics to get back on. What used to work, doesn't lately. I've poked, probed, logged, and studied. Repeatedly. Next time around, I want in. I'd rather overdo than underdo.

Questions:

#2,3: I have a ton of IPs at my fingertips. In excess of 50,000. I have Cable, DSL and DialUp (bleh). Do you strongly think that mobile connect is an absolute necessity? Or am I good to just yank out a fresh Cable Modem or DSL with all new everything and plug right into the new PC? Is there something particularly special about mobile?

#5: Would it look bad to wait 2 wks? 1 wk is doable, but I'm not in a HUGE hurry, so 2 wks is fine by me. Or would that much delay look bad?

#7: Not familiar with this at all. Where do I research more about it?

#9: ebaykilla mentioned this bank strategy before and it made sense. But he said 1 week, if I remember properly. Which seems better to you?

Anything else worth considering that wasn't mentioned?

[NO ID]

Yes you can create your own product on AM if its not already there. You can only do this on a Pro Merchant Seller Account.

I have seen multiples of the same exact item on AM which they don't like. Cluttering.

Originally Posted by ebaykilla

The biggest difference between Amazon and eBay is the fact that the listings on ebay are dynamic while amazon's listings are static. You can only list what amazon offers and you use their listings...whereas ebay allows you to make up your own listings. This makes it easier or amazon to track you because you are forced to use their items in their format.

[TigerLord]

Any canadian seller have had success selling on Amazon?

[mallshop]

Originally Posted by vicvelcro

Personally, I would like more input from ANYONE, including you, ebaykilla.

I don't want someone to repeat to me what I already said 2 posts previous to whatever they want to tell, though.

ebaykilla, I think you speedread sometimes and catch 2 words from every sentence, not the whole sentence. For example, you said I was being linked by what I list. I had already said the accounts were created but NO inventory listed.

If you'd like to go back and review the steps I have already taken, and help me find where the PROBLEM REALLY LIES, I would appreciate it. I just don't want the same info repeated 90 times when the info doesn't apply.

To recap steps I've taken:
New bank
New card
New Address
New Phone
New Name
Using Factory Utility - Zero Fill then Format HD entirely
Install old-ass version of OS from original CD (not restoring a backup) - Diff Computer Name, NO FLASH, NO COOKIES, Nothing. All clean.
Changed physical internet connection
Have NEW IP and new ISP and new Modem.
Bought another router and then changed MAC. Also tried without router.
Created accounts with no listed inventory at all (not even on standby)
Letting accounts rest like I always always always do

Still using same physical computer - mouse, keyboard, hd, motherboard, processor chip, ram chips, video card, ethernet card, USB cards, Firewire card, audio card - you get the idea.
I don't have a webcam, so they aren't 'watching' me.

i believe him. The same thing is happening to me. I made several acconts in Amazon and was suspendid immediatley. New,ip,phone,card,address etc.. still suspendid.

I solved it. The hardware MAC address of network adapter. Spoofing it is ineffective. Must replace the network adapter itself. Buy a new one. If wifi, it's easy. If onboard ethernet, must disable in BIOS then get a new adapter for USB or slot in bay.

Suspected before, announced, testing assistants recruited, network analysis implemented, process monitoring perpetrated. CONFIRMED, STATED, BAD MOUTHED ABOUT IT, ARGUED ABOUT, LIED TO...

BUT CORRECT ANYHOW.

For the benefit of all but one propagandist person, there's the answer. BUT we still have to observe all other previous stealth measures. Not safe to run multiple Amazon Stealth from one PC, and windows user accounts are no protection.

When the propagandist returns, let's see who the employer is, eh?

[mallshop]

Okay ill give it a shot too.

[AmazonSeller]

Originally Posted by vicvelcro

I solved it. The hardware MAC address of network adapter. Spoofing it is ineffective. Must replace the network adapter itself. Buy a new one. If wifi, it's easy. If onboard ethernet, must disable in BIOS then get a new adapter for USB or slot in bay.

Suspected before, announced, testing assistants recruited, network analysis implemented, process monitoring perpetrated. CONFIRMED, STATED, BAD MOUTHED ABOUT IT, ARGUED ABOUT, LIED TO...

BUT CORRECT ANYHOW.

For the benefit of all but one propagandist person, there's the answer. BUT we still have to observe all other previous stealth measures. Not safe to run multiple Amazon Stealth from one PC, and windows user accounts are no protection.

When the propagandist returns, let's see who the employer is, eh?

He the MAN. Persistence is a great virtue. Well done, respect

[CLIVEP]

Vic, Please go over the exact steps you took to get back on Amazon for the benefit of those of us who are reading contradictory or confusing info on this thread

rgds

[shoot2kill]

I think it goes like this.
Remove Network Card.
Format PC
Install OS
Sell on Amazon!

[ebaykilla]

All that to start a new account on amazon? I think not....trust me. its not that deep!