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Just got ebay stealth but too many things unclear
 

Hello folks. Same old story here. From Powerseller and Top Rated seller for 12 years, to indefinitely suspended overnight. Wishing ebay all the worst, I did try some other sites but I'm tired of seeing "your item has been viewed 0 times".

So I got ebay stealth and read it twice, but a million questions arise.

Regarding IP, I do not understand - if I want to maintain 2 accounts, I have to change my IP each time I want to log in to the computer user account for that ebay account? That means an ebay account will always be logged into from a new IP address? Won't ebay get suspicious? And I constantly have to double check this IP has not been used before? That sound a bit crazy. A lot of overhead. Or am I misunderstanding the guide?

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If your IP changes everytime you log into the accounts then this is fine. Cookies are kept seperate by using a seperate windows user account for each stealth account.

IP becomes a linking problem when you log into multiple accounts repeatedly using the same IP.

Hope this helps.

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Ebay understands that there are many people who have dynamic ips now. Theres nothing they can do about that. So, simply switching the ip via a usb dongle or similar method will keep you stealth. (Along with keeping cookies seperate of course)

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http://www.aspkin.com/forums/multipl...-stealths.html - Helps with IP tracking

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Take it easy, read the book a few times, and browse the forums for a few days/weeks afterwards. Everything will be clear and simple afterwards.

It's a lot of information to digest at first, and is generally not a good idea to rush creating accounts.

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Yes. The idea is to have 1 User account on your computer per accounts. So, to maintain 2 accounts, create 2 User accounts and alternate the IP addresses when logging into each of them.

No, with most ISPs, the default setting is to lease you a dynamic IPs. If you've ever unplugged your router or modem for an extended time, chances are you have a different IP from what you originally had. This is perfectly normal.

Static IPs cost them more money and they will charge you as such to provide a static IP to you.

Yes. JamesNorth provided a good link of a sample spreadsheet. Use that.

There's nothing crazy about it. What would be crazier is if you invested 6 months nurturing these accounts and one day waking up to them both being restricted or linked or both.

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The goal of the IP is to avoid overlap. Keep cookies in place and separate user accounts for each eB account

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I have been switching my IP by following the steps in the stealth book but I am looking for a different method as I cannot have multiple routers for each account because everyone else would need to have that router installed in their computer to use the internet.

The modem is also not in a convenient location for me to reset every time I need to change my IP.

I am curious about the option glodge2002 mentioned with USB Dongle, what are some cheap and efficient USB/Cloud type internet services which I can purchase and use a separate one for each account?

Thanks in advance!

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Wow, thank you everybody for your prompt responses.

So let's say I want to maintain 2 accounts, just for redundancy's sake. I should create 2 new computer user accounts for each ebay/paypal combo, right? It's not a good idea to use my main normal computer account for any new endeavors because it is already "plagued" by the restricted accounts and all their associated paypals, emails, etc., correct?

Then every single time I want to see what's going on with an ebay account, I have to login to its dedicated computer account. Once inside that user account, first thing is to change the IP address from there, right? Then check that the new address has never been used before for that account. Then proceed and log into ebay. Am I starting to get it?

Also, getting multiple physical routers will save me manually changing IPs, but I would still have to check that the IPs automatically assigned to them once they are powered have never been used before, correct?

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Correct.

No and Yes. If you really wanted too you could just remove all the cookies, etc and use it along side with the IP changing. But, it's easier to just have separate user accounts that way everything is separate and clean.

Correct.

This is a loaded question, everyone has their own method, Dialup, Modem Switching, Mifi, Dongle, VPS, Resetting Modem, etc.

I personally use a MIFI which works as both as MIFI and a Dongle (with usb cable) and I get a fresh IP every time.

This an area that does take some experimenting to see which works for you, no one can really tell you exactly which is best for YOU, you have too decide for yourself.

Good Luck.

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Multiple modems - or dongles - or cellphone for tethering. Routers will not give you the change of IP you need UNLESS the router is also your modem connection

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I have a single box set up, so it is a modem+router integrated machine. I tried changing IP according to the stealth guide, but it doesn't work. When I do "ipconfig /release" after turning off the modem (per instructions), I get an error saying it can't perform any changes 'while its media disconnected'. And when I do that command on a running modem, wait a couple minutes and then do "ipconfig /renew", I get the same IP address!

According to what MAC address is my IP generated? The PC's? Or is this a static IP address issue? Does Comcast issue static addresses?

Please share the best methods to change IP addresses on the fly.

Thanks

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Im Not sure if Comcast issues Dynamic or Static IP Addresses, but the SUREST way to find out is to CALL COMCAST, and they WILL tell you,, it is NOT a Big deal

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The modem+router is bad, Comcast is Dynamic but it might as well be Static. I'm with Time Warner and their Dynamic but changing IP's is impossible.

I would suggest you look into the other alternatives:
Dongle (USB Modem), Tethering, Mifi, or try getting a modem and a router separately and try changing Ip's that way.

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I have comcast and it is dynamic. Changing my ip is easy through my router. I just modify the wan mac and reset it to get a new ip.

The key is the modem. I have the Arris TM602g version. Some of comcast's modems are not so easy.

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I had the same issue where the IP would not change and I would get a message saying there is someone else logged into the router.

Make sure to log off any other user accounts you might be logged into and try again.

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The Stealth mentions cheap Netgear routers for the router swapping option. Where can I find such? The cheapest I found are $70 at Micro Center.

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Called Comcast. Have dynamic. Static is actually a special service at extra cost or something.

I have an ARRIS TG862, and its interface is read-only so I can't change anything there.

I'm thinking to get a Netgear modem I saw for $70, it connects to cable and has a network socket. This means it's a modem+router too, correct? And I should be able to change its IP? Or should I get a separate modem and separate router?

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Which Netgear modem beetleman?

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i used to get on great tethering from a smartphone such as iphone or samsung
as each time you connect your ip changes... much easier than the router swap method and much quicker...
also being on virgin bb here in the uk you cant play around with ip addresses... yes you can vps, again techy and time consuming

its not the done thing but there are some who get away just fine using the same ip for multi accounts... not going to work well with a large amount of multi accounts perhaps? but 2 or 3 seem to keep under the radar... not every stealth member agrees but for some it works out just fine
for example... when i moved location, say a mile down the road i moved with my provider and my ip still remains the same! different address...same ip as it is provided by your bb provider and comes under area code providing... rest assured ive tried calling virgin bb to get it changed and they refuse...
as said this method does and and may not work out for everyone so i dont endorse it... its just a fact that some of us have no choice but to use it

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How is tethering done? And doesn't that gobble up your monthly limit of megabytes?

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Tethering involves special apps that convert your phone into a Hotspot, it can either be tethered as a hotspot (wireless) or with usb cable. Also, some phones don't require special apps, they may have this ability built in without paying a fee.

It's up to you to find out how much data your given by your provider, after you can determine what amount of data you can use.

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i had a contract once with a bundle of mins, text and data... i was always hitting my data limit as you do
was never using my mins but used text...

i called the provider and they were happy to tweak the contract around, i gave up all my mins, lowered my text and came away with unlimited data... which was all i used the contract for anyways so worked a treat for me
of course im in uk... but i bet you could find a simular deal... all you do is ask ;)

once your tethering its just like breathing so simple

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You hit your data limit JUST with eB activity?

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hell yeah :heh:

you would be surprised how low data some firms give you

i was pretty much on this

with 250mb

Based on our research, we estimate you’d be able to do all this on your smartphone, every day:

Browse 10 web pages
Read 50 BBC News pages
Read and reply to 20 emails
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i was running 3 accounts on that 12 hours a day :heh: my bills were astronomical

i got onto them and changed it up... back in the day folks used to actually speak to each other :heh: so folks needed 1000's of mins and so on

i traded in all my mins and half my text allowance and got unlimited data :brushteeth:

now i dont tether at all :pound:

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I tell you what I did (And still Do) to avoid this, when Phone carriers have "Unlimited Data" Promotions, I sign up, and I NEVER renew the contract if the Unlimited Data Promotion is not available at the time of my renewal, I will simply keep my old contract because the Unlimited Data is "Grandfathered in" and should I desire a New Phone, I simply pay Full Price for it, instead of renewing a contract that does not include Unlimited Data,,you also NEED to find out if your carrier THROTLES Speeds,,,this is VERY Important,,,some unscrouplous carriers will give you Unlimited Data BUT Only say 1GB per Month at 4G Speeds the Rest at 2G(EVO), which can be really fustrating

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Smart way to keep the unlimited part AND avoid renewing - month to month payment.

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Thank you everyone for the abundant information.


I'm not sure of the model, I will check in the store and post here.




However, an issue I still don't get is if I get a new modem (with a network socket), and connect it to my wall coax, will its fresh MAC address pull a new IP? Or is the IP generated according to my laptop's MAC?

I'd hate to get that setup only to find it gets the same IP! How can I make sure IPs are not generated according to my laptop's MAC?

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So today I visited the store again. Here are the cable modems I found (each $70).

http://www.aspkin.com/forums/attachm...1&d=1391740648

http://www.aspkin.com/forums/attachm...1&d=1391740693

And here's a cheap router, I guess this is what Aspkin referred to in the guide.

http://www.aspkin.com/forums/attachm...1&d=1391740693

Although at this point I'm really confused about according to which hardware's MAC address will the IP be generated - modem, router, or PC?

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The router controls the MAC address that your IP is assigned to.

Change the MAC address in the router, change your IP address.

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Thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread.

Moving on, I read through the stealth guide and am unclear on the relationship between the bank account and the credit card.

I need to open a bank account, this can be done online. Then go to a store and buy a prepaid credit card, reading on this forum I hear Vanilla Visa is good. Now do I need to connect this card to the new bank account somehow?

Another burning issue - can I send money from a stealth PP account to another PP account that is not limited or anything, but is associated with a suspended EB account?

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You can start off with a VBA instead. You can't withdraw funds to it, but at least you don't burn through your real bank account. You can always add your bank account later on while you become more established.

A Vanilla Visa gift card works as a great VCC. Lots of thread on both of these topics, read through them to get more familiar w/ methods on how to implement them.

Avoid doing this, as this would create a link between your PP accounts.

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VBA is virtual bank account? Is it not the same as an online bank account?

How would sending money to my other PP account create a link? Isn't that just like making a payment to any account? I mean, I am not linked to all the people I ever paid, right?

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A VBA is a "stand-in" for your Bank Account, kind of like a stuntman. It's only purpose in life is to verify your paypal.

Here's the thing with sending money to other Paypals....Paypal will eventually begin to investigate and may even want docs, so why have paypal start looking into your accounts?

Also, A LOT of people have come on this forum with the following, "Sent Money from my Stealth Paypal to my main Paypal and now both are limited and asking for documents"
Unless you want to be part of that club...don't do it.

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A "stand in" for the online bank account? I don't understand.
And so if I don't send money to my other PP, how can I withdraw from the stealth PP/online account?

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What is Not to Understand,,,,It is NOT a REAL BANK ACCOUNT, You Cannot get your Money, you have NO ATM Card, Checks, Tellers or ANY Way for you to get your money,,It is Just a Simple account Number that has the ability to "Receive" PayPals 2 Micro Deposits, and tell you what they are so that you can go back to paypal and Enter that information, which is Required by Paypal in order to Verify your Paypal account, you will still need to figure out a Way to get your money OUT of Paypal

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Thank you Slapped. It's not the concept that I don't understand, it's the usage. Is this kind of bank account the one that is advised to open according to the stealth guide? Why would I want to use such an account if I can't get the money out of PP with it? We've already established that sending money to another PP is a no-no.

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Here's a scenario:
You open your Ebay Account, You open your Paypal Account...You add your "REAL Bank Account". You start selling...AND BOOOM they limit your Paypal, well now you have wasted a Bank Account.

Now, which would you prefer to have at that moment? think hard!

The idea is to sell on your account(s) and make sure the accounts (ebay/pp) are going to last.

Also, you keep using the term, Online Bank Account...can you elaborate on what you mean?

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If you need to withdraw funds...add a Real Bank Account....there are tons of banks that work with stealth.

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Listen, unfortunately there are a LOT of Lowlives On Ebay, and what they do is Create Paypal accounts using those Types of Bank accounts, then they Buy all Sorts of thing and Have then sent to an apartment that they Rent, doing this as a way to "Withdraw" from Paypal, all because they are selling a Lot of Garbage and do NOT want to be Connected to their Ebay/Paypal accounts, it is because of Scu$b@gs like that that Ebay/Paypal Get rid of ANY account that they even SUSPECT of wrongdoing, and a LOT of innocent Sellers like Us here on this forum get caught up in it