What will happen if I open stealth PayPal and sent a private large some of money?

[JomJarr]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Worse. you are facing the high chance of the buyer insisting on this private sale of giving you grief.
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It is via an private ad website though in this case, eb not involved in anyway whatsoever..

I normally make the odd sale via enthusiast forums but this via a specialist advert website.

Of course anyone can behave in any way but all the signs are there for being a genuine collector/enthusiast, all the right references in conversation.

[JomJarr]

OK, to move this on then.

How would one go about preparing a PP account strictly for use away from eb, what kind of purchases to make, receive payments etc etc?

Just a general slow build-up, some consumer purchases to the ⊗⊗⊗⊗ address?

[unkown5454]

OP, please just go ahead and lose your money already. You seem determined and assume you are completely invincible to PP just because your account "looks genuine".

Hahaha, wow, I can't even say that without laughing my a$$ off. Call PP and let them know you look genuine so you should be able to create new accounts and transfer all the money in the world with no limitations.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by JomJarr

I was hoping with 1) that those well versed in PP Stealth would say that providing ID docs is easy and therefore it would all be sorted in the end..

I guess that is the crux of my question.

I understand what you mean but PP can still deny the appeal with the documents :( sad like that

[JomJarr]

Originally Posted by unkown5454

OP, please just go ahead and lose your money already. You seem determined and assume you are completely invincible to PP just because your account "looks genuine".

Hahaha, wow, I can't even say that without laughing my a$$ off. Call PP and let them know you look genuine so you should be able to create new accounts and transfer all the money in the world with no limitations.

I'm not sure what you mean here...

You seem to be saying that he idea of using PP for ANYTHING in any way is completely stupid and risky..

.. so what is this forum all about then?? It's about finding ways to use PP without getting limited isn't it?

Essentially you're advising not to use PP period? Or perhaps your advising to only use PP for very small amounts which restricts all selling on Eb to small items? I know from reading this forum that many people use stealth EB + PP for high value sales successfully.

So why should this now be impossible when using PP in stealth mode for business that has nothing to do with Eb? Even under the same business name and details and ID as the very same business on Eb?

Perhaps I'm missing an important point in that we get away with using PP only and precisely because it is in conjunction with Eb and therefore the accounts confirm each other? Without the two working in conjunction we are defeated?

It would seem very short sighted on their part if that was the case, them providing each others security data and relying on that to make risk judgements.

In other words, I'm not sure what all the hoohaa is about in this thread.. not entirely helpful - too emotive and leaves you none the wiser at the end of it other than learning by rote.

[JomJarr]

Originally Posted by rsot

I understand what you mean but PP can still deny the appeal with the documents :( sad like that

I guess it needs a deeper understanding than I have of how PP works to find a way to confirm your stealth ID with PP, make it rock solid without using Eb..

[GreenBean]

You can not, and can never expect rock solid and paypal to be a union.

At best, you can use paypal wherever you like but must operate with the background thought, paypal has the power to limit an account.

Try not to be naive with regards to them.

[MM78]

Originally Posted by JomJarr

I guess it needs a deeper understanding than I have of how PP works to find a way to confirm your stealth ID with PP, make it rock solid without using Eb..

Response:

[BigCJ]

The answer has been posted here repeatedly.

Avoid paypal at all cost. You will MOST LIKELY BECOME LIMITED due to the age and sum.

YOU need to be the one to dictate the sale. NOT the buyer. If they do not want to use bank transfer (Fees or not) then its best to AVOID the sale altogether.

If they want it bad enough, they will use another method.

Even as sent as a gift, if your account is limited, you will either have to provide documents, or wait 180 days. Even if sent as a gift. There have been instances where gifts can be reversed.

To go against EVERYONE just to hear the answer you want to hear is just beyond me with your experience/posts

[JamesNorth101]

Essentially you're advising not to use PP period?

We advise using PayPal in the correct way, which is not the way you are trying to do it.

You need to build trust with PayPal. That takes time.

An account that is years old can handle a transaction worth £1000's

An account 5 minutes old generally cannot.

[JomJarr]

Originally Posted by GreenBean

You can not, and can never expect rock solid and paypal to be a union.

At best, you can use paypal wherever you like but must operate with the background thought, paypal has the power to limit an account.

Try not to be naive with regards to them.

Originally Posted by BigCJ

The answer has been posted here repeatedly.

Avoid paypal at all cost. You will MOST LIKELY BECOME LIMITED due to the age and sum.

YOU need to be the one to dictate the sale. NOT the buyer. If they do not want to use bank transfer (Fees or not) then its best to AVOID the sale altogether.

If they want it bad enough, they will use another method.

Even as sent as a gift, if your account is limited, you will either have to provide documents, or wait 180 days. Even if sent as a gift. There have been instances where gifts can be reversed.

To go against EVERYONE just to hear the answer you want to hear is just beyond me with your experience/posts

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

We advise using PayPal in the correct way, which is not the way you are trying to do it.

You need to build trust with PayPal. That takes time.

An account that is years old can handle a transaction worth £1000's

An account 5 minutes old generally cannot.

I hear you all, I really do..

Just frustrating to see regular people on forums with likely sparse eb purchase and pp use just selling their gear of a similar value, taking gift payments via forum sales or specialist advertising websites and then not having any problems whatsoever.

Surely a GOOD stealth character will be indistinguishable from a real person and so, at some point, a stealth account can be used in exactly the same way?

Perhaps what I'm overlooking here is that ALL these people have multi-year aged accounts and engage in activity which links everything they do to their real IDs, like making purchases from their bank account funds so that their name is received and confirmed from the bank, electoral role etc.

So.. perhaps my underlying thinking is about how to go deeper stealth, make everything absolutely believable rather than the usual acceptance that something WILL go wrong and therefore accepting the compromise between quicker account creation over long term survival..

Of course, part of the psychology of a REAL account IS one of naivety - the once bitten, twice shy attitude of all of us who have been limited is absolutely NOT the psychology of a genuine account holder. Becoming limited and recovering from it is probably part and parcel of a genuine account ... Recreating a false sense of naivety in the eyes of PP could make the account much stronger in the long term.

A REAL GENUINE PP user WOULD quickly join PP and accept the payment, get limited and then fight to have the funds released. With real ID and scrutiny, that new customer would no doubt eventually get hold of their funds even after long arguments and end up with an account completely confirmed and verified albeit after being told by PP that they need to build trust in the account..

How does one recreate that experience of a naive but GENUINE PP customer via stealth? That brings me back to the OP, the reason behind the thread if not concisely expressed at the outset.

But hey, sounds more like an art project rather than being practical for just making money.

P.S. Multi-quote doesn't seem to work. Is it my PC? had to cut and paste the quotes myself.

P.P.S With regard to customers insisting on PP being dodgy, I really don't see how that is different from the seller insisting on a bank transfer which can be seen by the customer as being dodgy. There is risk on both sides without a genuine independent escrow service out there. Each situation is nuanced and blanket refusal to accept any risk yourself only serves many to see you as dodgy or at least unreasonable in a hobbyist market..

[JamesNorth101]

A REAL GENUINE PP user WOULD quickly join PP and accept the payment, get limited and then fight to have the funds released. With real ID and scrutiny, that new customer would no doubt eventually get hold of their funds even after long arguments and end up with an account completely confirmed and verified albeit after being told by PP that they need to build trust in the account..

Again, you keep saying that a real account would get this and get that.

PayPal cannot tell the difference between real and stealth accounts.

PayPal are not on your side. They are on their side. They want to protect their money and their business. They are not going to run a deep investigation into if you are a real person. They will just limit you.

If a 'real' PP gets limited 99% of the time in the UK you will have to wait 180 days to get your money

If a 'stealth' PP gets limited 99% of the time in the UK you will have to wait 180 days to get your money

There is no differences.

The way you can get over the limitation is by providing PP which what they want. That applies for both stealth and real accounts.

There is virtually nothing that a 'real' account can do that a 'stealth' account cannot do.

You cannot accept £1000 straight away on a real account
You cannot accept £1000 straight away on a stealth account

Both will get limited. Both will unlikely be unlimited.

Again to repeat, in the UK there is virtually 0 difference between a 'REAL and a 'STEALTH' account.

Do not think that just because your account is under your own details that PayPal will release all your funds and let you get payments of £500 from the off. They will not. They do not know or trust you.

[unkown5454]

Hurry up and lose your money already OP. This is taking too long. I need a good laugh ASAP. Thanks

[MM78]

It's like watching a Nascar Race Car wreck...magical!

[biglouis999]

OP - my PP account is more than 12 years old. I frequently have 1500+ GBP paid into it from non Ebay sources but I dont transfer it to my bank account all at once. I do it 500 GBP at a time over several days.

Some account holders strip every last $$ out of their account but I never leave less than a couple of hundred $ in my account to refund buyers if needed.

[rsot]

Always good to leave amounts with PP - never strip it dry...or TRY to strip it dry