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Docs will start to need to be submited via webcam

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That will be fun.

:rolleyes:

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NO ONE here knows what they will have, but remember this is PayPal...

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Take into consideration that there is a Corporation involved, not the man in the street.

We are not privy to any contractual relations that paypal has with this company.

Expect the worst and hope for the best.

:peace:

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Public relation specialist :thumb:

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Donkeykong you are absolutely right that a bureau search can produce a nil result due to someone recently moving house. That is why they will request the documents for checking.

This is where aged accounts are going to be at risk. It just isnt realistic for someone that apparently lived at an address for x amount of years to have zero info on a bureau search. The bank account attached to the paypal would at least show up for starters.

We dont know for sure what we are up against as yet but it certainly isnt going to be easy if it is possible.

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Can't believe one day PayPal will do that. It reminds me about coin.mx. They requires verification of identity by submitting a video holding a government issued ID :D.

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entropay use webcam.

:boink:

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Yeah, but they only scan the card, not the person holding card. The purpose of card scanning is to verify the number on the card match with the number we enter.

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They may well use facelink on PayPal which means the photo on the card will need to match the person who is holding the cards face.

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Yes I understand.

I still think all this is based on risk, sales volume and history more than anything else. Someone who is turning over a lot of cash with no known credit history is a high risk.

I think aged accounts are at most risk as you say.

I only have only a few items on each stealth and I plan to keep it that way. Spread the risk and hope for the best.

Thinking about it I know a number of people who are not on the Electoral Roll at their current address, and if they have online statements there will be no record of them having an account at their current address. And theres no reason why that would change.

Someone could be at an address for many years with no Electoral Roll history. It is possible and does happen, however if I were Paypal I would be concerned about the risk to me, bankruptcy etc.

And that depends on a large range of factors based on the operation of the account.

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I had many stealths with few items on each, different categories too thinking I am not keeping my eggs all in one basket.
Unfortunately for me that didnt work just made the pile up and devasation of losing them all at once worse.

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The FACE of the account holder is seen.

:ballchain:

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If you lost them all at the same time it seems reasonable to conclude you were linked in some way.

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Not yet sure that they will be using Facelink

Only time will tell.

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I had to hold my Visa card up against a Webcam when I verified my Entropay account.

I wasn't very happy about having to do this.

Of course the Entropay account is in my real name.

Can you imagine the reaction if Paypal wanted everyone who failed Electoral Roll checks to submit a Webcam image of their face with their driving license as well?

Many would just not even bother.

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Yes but how many won't bother 1-5% maybe they take the risk on that. Funny how all this consides with ebay and paypal splitting up. Or it that me thinking too much into it ;)

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PP and EB split in the US.

PP and EB have been differnet companies in the UK for a while already.

I think if they want everyone to provide webcam shots of the ID and bills ect ect then they will be loosing a fair number of customers who will not be willing to do that.

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I have been reading the comments again from numerous people stating they have lost a few Paypal accounts at the same time.

This appears to have occurred within the last few days.

Which suggests they have linked them in some way probably using a new form of detection. Or they have decided to be more aggressive in linking using existing resources.

However, if Paypal believe that two or more accounts are linked for whatever reason and therefore controlled by the same individual, then no ID submitted is likely to save the account.

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Plus might be that Civil Liberties in the UK might become vocal here. Has happened some years back.


A waiting game.

:smash:

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Yes it's probably linkage in the way they were setup, then triggered a verification of the docs:boink:

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It may be worth those those who have been limited banding together to see if there are any similarities between their accounts which may have triggered these limitations.

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I lost a paypal account yesterday. No reason given. Was trying to upgrade a personal account with no limits to a premier account. I bought that account here. I guessed that it should be the ID docs or something similar that triggered the suspension.

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Update:
I just noticed that another paypal account of mine was suspended 3 days ago. Wasn't even using it. The last eBay sale was about a month ago. I'm beginning to think that its because of the failure to pass the identification check because of no credit history...

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The similarities between the accounts are:-

1. Gmail
2. The VCC added.
3. The IP range used to create the accounts (3 mobile)
4. The IP used to access the accounts subsequently.

For those that are looking to try and apportion blame for their Paypal account(s) going down, might want to consider the following:

Many of the accounts I have sold in the last 2 years have been used to pedal large quantities of both counterfeit and unlicensed goods. A proportion of others have also been used for what can only be described as out and out theft, leaving the Paypal balances sitting with huge negatives.

All it takes is for someone either with Paypal or one of these new companies that are involved with Paypal to look for accounts with these similar characteristics. If they then run credit bureau checks against all these accounts and the results ALL comes back with no data, what do you think they are going to do? They get flagged as high risk and get closed.

The accounts that were lost are only a tiny fraction of what has been sold in the last two years. Most of you have made some serious money with these accounts, some even by selling totally legit items.

If anyone on here has any grievance with me regarding their account, feel free to drop me a PM and we can discuss it in private as opposed to on the open forum.

There is still a lot of "what ifs" regarding what's coming in. Whether what happened here is directly related to that or as a result of what I have suggested here as one alternative possibility, we will never know. If accounts set up had been "linked" in the traditional way, the norm is for them to state what account it is linked to as opposed to a permanent limitation due to being unable to "confirm identity".

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A very good post EbayorBust.

Very thought provoking.

You might be on to something there.

That would actually make sense if some accounts bought off you were used for very high profile criminal activity.

Any other accounts with similarities at account creation would be red flagged.

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Ebayorbust, my comment was not aimed at you.

I was talking generically, because if we found the likely cause then I could prevent it from happening to me.

I have never bought an account from you.

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I have got 4 accounts with no reason. I think this is related to IDs submitted. Similar faces, maybe.

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There is always a reason - could just not be logical to you or apparent. More details needed...were you selling risky items? Linked accounts? Same info?

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Unlikely IMO.

Something far more obvious than that.

Stealth Creation and Daily Stealth Management Issues are the most common reasons.

Mistakes can only result in consequences sometimes months or even years later.

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Make backup accounts as well and get them going

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In the last 10 minutes I have just had another Receiving Limit lifted.

I have been checking out this company ID Checker.

Watch the video below.

Closing the loop of online person identification | Facelink

I laughed so hard when she took a photo of herself.

The technology is impressive. But this is EBay and Paypal we are talking about.

The technology is next to useless if people don't trust the organisations who ask for it.

I am trying to imagine everyone up and down the country taking photos of themselves in a rush to send them to EBay and Paypal.

I am struggling.

You only have to visit Paypal's Community Website to see the disdain.

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I lost one of my stealth PayPal accounts a few days ago.

The difference is that I've NEVER been banned from eBay or Amazon etc, so the ID documents/credit check part does seem probable.

The eBay account was used to sell some random flag items, nothing even close to Vero, and I sell about 10 items a week, valued at £2.50 ish.. I was just building the account up for later use, it's about a year old.

I don't blame the seller in any way, it's just one of those things.

I have 3 other accounts, I'll log into them tomorrow and see if they are still okay or not.

I'm very lucky that I already have my original unrestricted account, but it sounds very bad for stealth if the theories are true.

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2 gone now.. the oldest 2 I had..

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You have to look at similarities between the accounts.

That means sort codes, VCC, voip numbers, similar starting mobile numbers, all accounts having made up addresses, similar IP's.

It's not totally unreasonable to believe they are credit checking the ID's finding nothing and that being considering "high risk".

In the UK having no credit history can be more of a problem than having several CCJ's and even being bankrupt.

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You cannot be serious?

I have assessed credit in the past.

And ID.

And had a long track record in Financial Services.

Who would you rather lend to please?

Customer A with 4 CCJ's and Bankrupt in the last 5 years?

Or Customer B with no Credit History?

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You are getting mixed up being found on the Electoral Roll and Having no Credit History.

If a customer has neither but produces Id that the lender is happy with, they are likely to be willing to lend.

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From a qualified 'professional' who works in financial services this is the funniest post I have seen on here to date.

Even more so than Stevebills' posts! :clap:

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Yeah OK super clever people. I'm not the one having accounts dropping like flies.

Going completely off topic, but not going to be insulted on here.

2 people. 1 with some defaults and a discharged bankruptcy.

2nd, can't find any history whatsoever.

I personally wouldn't lend to either. Plenty will. Someone with some credit history, although bad, will have an easier job getting credit. Fact.

NOW back on topic. This CANNOT simply be simple ID checks, otherwise the receiving limit wouldn't be lifted with documents. The account would be limited.

If what people are saying is correct and they are running deeper credit searches, then it isn't simply a case of name is at address = ok.

An ex bankrupt may be a too big risk for paypal. Likewise someone with several defaults, lots of late payments. The same as name/address/sort code account number not matching up.

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The point that is being missed is that I BELIEVE the system is in place now, as a seller we should be noticing this more than anyone based on the amount of accounts that are setup.

To be honest, there have been some very wierd things going on. Documents being accepted and then declined 2 days later after being accepted. That does tell me one thing on these test accounts that I setup. They're either able to verify the DL number through a direct system and if it doesn't show it's bye bye, OR going in depth to do background checks and nothing coming up.

Still can only guess until the 29th December comes round

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Don't risk more money coming into this limited combination