Lost majority of stealth accounts in one day

aniseed · #45 08-26-2015

Ah right got ya luckily I'm ok then. My real account is on my real user account which is admin but all stealth accounts have a dedicated standard user account.

Other link for OP must be proxy or otherwise got me thinking about mac addresses.

GhostOfAmazon · #46 08-26-2015

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Originally Posted by aniseed

Just reading through here and this is the first I'd heard of using standard accounts. Is this like a childs account on PC?

No, it's not a "childs" account. It just doesn't allow you to make major changes to the PC, such as programs that request certain access and such. You can override this by typing in the admin password, however.

hazy · #47 08-26-2015

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Originally Posted by aniseed

Ah right got ya luckily I'm ok then. My real account is on my real user account which is admin but all stealth accounts have a dedicated standard user account.

Other link for OP must be proxy or otherwise got me thinking about mac addresses.

I thought mac addresses are not monitored

aniseed · #48 08-26-2015

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Originally Posted by hazy

I thought mac addresses are not monitored

So everyone says. And hundreds users with thousands of accounts have each used just one mac address without problems. But if I were eBay / PayPal and I had the ability to easily log mac addresses, why wouldn't I?

hazy · #49 08-27-2015

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Originally Posted by aniseed

So everyone says. And hundreds users with thousands of accounts have each used just one mac address without problems. But if I were eBay / PayPal and I had the ability to easily log mac addresses, why wouldn't I?

Maybe they do not have that ability.

swbluto · #50 08-30-2015

I'm going to take a wild guess. Did all the accounts have the same last name and use the same computer / browser?

Bad news, it's simple to do a check on that. Simple SQL database query:

Select u1 in users
Where u1.browserSig == u2.browserSig AND u1.lastName == u2.lastName
from (Select u2 in users)
Sort by u1.lastAccessDate;

Especially seems likely the issue with an uncommonly used browser like Opera/Safari. They might also be accessing your native IP via the webRTC and/or flash.

(P.s., yeah, I do web dev/database/programming/etc. for a living.)

swbluto · #51 08-30-2015

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Originally Posted by hazy

Maybe they do not have that ability.

They don't. Browser technology is insulated from the underlying hardware for obvious security reasons. You gotta watch out for flash, but it too doesn't have access to MACs.

aniseed · #52 09-01-2015

There must be some way of detecting something unique off the router.

As an example this website New Import Duty & Taxes Calculation | DutyCalculator allows you to do 5 free duty calculations.

I did those 5 six months ago. Now non of my home computers, phones or tablets can do another. Even when I turned off WiFi they had logged my phone so I still cant do it. I have a dynamic IP address and have even reinstalled windows. How are they tracking me?

austyn12x · #53 09-04-2015

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Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon

When enough "loose links" are formed, bots trigger a manual review, then they can see the similar ship from address. Likely the nail in your coffin.

Flash cookies are shared but only by ADMIN accounts. Bottom line: Make your accounts "Standard", "Guest" or equivalent (name depends on your OS)

Really? Thank you so munch I'm going to Change all my accounts now so they don't link.

rsot · #54 09-04-2015

If you have linking already occurring, changing all accounts won't get rid of the linknig...

glacier922 · #55 09-08-2015

Strange, I have never heard of this before either. I have 60 accts and none were ever linked and all my accts were admin, some accts were suspended, maybe only 4, but it wasn't because of linkage.

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Originally Posted by dealagreeproceed

can any1 else confirm the whole admin flash cookies dilemma as never heard of this before...

dealagreeproceed · #56 09-08-2015

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Originally Posted by glacier922

Strange, I have never heard of this before either. I have 60 accts and none were ever linked and all my accts were admin, some accts were suspended, maybe only 4, but it wasn't because of linkage.

same here glacier. never heard this before till now...

dealagreeproceed · #57 09-08-2015

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Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon

Use the search function....

eBay Suspension & Paypal Limited Forums - Search Results

im good...

glacier922 · #58 09-08-2015

I just checked that search link. Haven't seen anyone give a definitive answer.

dealagreeproceed · #59 09-08-2015

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Originally Posted by glacier922

I just checked that search link. Haven't seen anyone give a definitive answer.

xactly... time n time again the only advice given was to make sure and use diff user accts... that's y I said this is first time hearing this...

GhostOfAmazon · #60 09-09-2015

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Originally Posted by dealagreeproceed

xactly... time n time again the only advice given was to make sure and use diff user accts... that's y I said this is first time hearing this...

Go away and quit trolling this forum....you post a dozen times a day, but never say anything useful. Keep your mouth shut if you don't have anything to contribute.

glacier922 · #61 09-09-2015

if u were somehow able to be traced between user accts, one way to test this is when u create a new eBay acct thru a new user acct, and let's say that eBay suspects anything, they usually would ask u to verify ur number before doing anything. That hasn't happened to me, so I'm guessing that eBay didn't link me. But u never know

dealagreeproceed · #62 09-09-2015

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Originally Posted by glacier922

if u were somehow able to be traced between user accts, one way to test this is when u create a new eBay acct thru a new user acct, and let's say that eBay suspects anything, they usually would ask u to verify ur number before doing anything. That hasn't happened to me, so I'm guessing that eBay didn't link me. But u never know

good point. all im saying is ive never heard of this standard/administrator issue before EVER... so it may be true but def 1st time hearing of it on this forum especially...

swbluto · #63 09-09-2015

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Originally Posted by aniseed

There must be some way of detecting something unique off the router.

As an example this website New Import Duty & Taxes Calculation | DutyCalculator allows you to do 5 free duty calculations.

I did those 5 six months ago. Now non of my home computers, phones or tablets can do another. Even when I turned off WiFi they had logged my phone so I still cant do it. I have a dynamic IP address and have even reinstalled windows. How are they tracking me?

Same IP subnet, operating system, browser, etc.? (If there's a unique combination of those kinds of factors, a sufficiently advanced detection algorithm could detect it.)

I really doubt the router is giving away its MAC address. But, perhaps there's a unique structure in its packet delivery method that could be used to identify it? Maybe your router is 'open', or it has a unique firewall port configuration that can be detected via port scanning. If you've blocked or opened certain ports, this could be detected via port scanning and give off a unique port signature.

dealagreeproceed · #64 09-09-2015

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Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon

Go away and quit trolling this forum....you post a dozen times a day, but never say anything useful. Keep your mouth shut if you don't have anything to contribute.

hmmm my last rebuttal was removed that's weird. must have struck a chord with goa

... listen ok ok you contribute more than me on an internet forum im happy for you

...

hope everything with the wife works out tho...

aniseed · #65 09-10-2015

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Originally Posted by swbluto

Same IP subnet, operating system, browser, etc.? (If there's a unique combination of those kinds of factors, a sufficiently advanced detection algorithm could detect it.)

I really doubt the router is giving away its MAC address. But, perhaps there's a unique structure in its packet delivery method that could be used to identify it? Maybe your router is 'open', or it has a unique firewall port configuration that can be detected via port scanning. If you've blocked or opened certain ports, this could be detected via port scanning and give off a unique port signature.

The website also blocked other computers and devices on the network. Router is standard TalkTalk default settings. Maybe not the MAC but what I'm getting at is if that website can recognise computers on the same network then so can eBay.

NewYork · #66 09-25-2015

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Originally Posted by yankee

What browsers are you using?
What is the IP method?
similar ship from locations?
do you clean your pics?
are you using separate user accounts? If so are they all admin?..............

Does that matter? That's something I didn't read or hear of before now... is it better to have the user accounts on a computer Admin or not? Which is better, and why? I never thought this could be something to worry about, I'm very interested....

**Update... now going back and reading the full thread, Ghost of Amazon and Yankee seem to be in agreement that some stuff is shared between admin accounts. (go back and find it for your own benefit...) anyway, if years on this forum have taught me anything, when a user with the cred of Ghost or Yankee (especially if they are in agrement) posts something like this, it's worth making that tweak to be on the safe side. All my accounts will now be non-admin on both PC and Macs.