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Tax? That is nearly as funny a word as ebay. Since tax is based on income
thresholds in Australia the amounts are variable. If you are earning enough to
need to pay tax, you have a very good accountant who helps....

How about if your only 18 have a part-time job (works 1 days a week earning less then $90 a week) and gets huge amounts of cash rolling into their bank account. Pretty sure the tax authorities will get suspicious!

Anyone had a newer account 30-60 days, get items pulled down for Vero and not have the account suspended?? this happened to me today, I ran some auctions ending last night, all went well, today get an email saying the listings were removed, I figured I would get the seller suspended email later, but it never came and my 10-15 non-vero items ended tonight without a problem.

a few chances still
 

;) You may get two chances, maybe three: you get told to take the vero tutorial. Infringe after that and then suspension. I think there is a chart of
the number of warnings B4 suspension. Different numbers for account types.


Now to preempt this, you can take the vero tutorial AND you do not need to sign into your account. Or, do it signed in B4 ebay tell you to do so. Makes ebay
happy because they think you are nice.:rolleyes:

tax
 

Casta read this http://ato.gov.au/content/44998.htm

don't forget you can ring the Tax Office without giving your name and get advice.

A Spin on a VERO???
Heres a nice trick a Seller uses, to disguise a Patek box.. He spaces out the letters...
Vintage P A T E K P H I L L I P E w/outer Watch Box

Vero Walk around
 

some vero walk around for new account with 5-10 postive f/bs.


I found this to work out pretty good , wat you guys think, feel free to comment and give me your feedbacks, hope it helps out.


#1--- Mistaken name brand name on purpose:

instead of typing out your name brand correctly, make it look like you mistakenly type it

Example- Ipod Nano
----- pIod Naon

#2 Instead of puttin item as New -- don't put anything,

#3 post your display picture-- put your ipod nano in a flower vace and take a pictuire of it, or take a pic of the ipod nano next to something ( a book, your lamp, a flashlight)

#4 simple descritions--

iopod Nanno
NIB - With box
Anything else ask me .




it works for me , but if you feel that anything i mentioned need corrections, please feel free to comment me, or leave any remarks you want. thanks

Hi Kaw- and in which Category are u listing these? As pp has red flagged certain cats + I'm sure ebay has...Thanks Btw-ebay is onto the misspell trick- as a newbie-with 5fb...Wouldn't Handheld batt op for Teen or similar work? PLUS..the buyers now think u don't know what you're selling + they're getting the deal of a Lifetime?? Just a thought...;)

VeRO I think is still pretty hard to get around for long periods of time (months). You would be lucky if you lasted 4-6 weeks, but then again it all depends how active the VeRO is. Some good ideas though. All of which I've tried with my items.

Would VEROs believe you have you sell hardly any items and claim "I got this as a gift but don't want it" ?

ive tried the unwanted gift on a new acc it didnt work, but on this new acc i listed some junk along with 1 vero and it was fine, so as soon as the 1st vero finished i put on 3 more veros the 1st 1 is still on but the other 2 have been pulled, now ive realised on the 1 that hasnt been pulled id forgot to put the gallery pic in so im thinking maybe that has made a difference.

ANY OF YOU GUYS TRY putting Brand name Vero AS USED, or slightly USED, but listed as USED, maybe since its USED, and not brand new, ebay might not remove those listing or supsend you, since they think your just selling stuffs around the house and trying to get a few bucks, and your not like competing against Brand name company and power seller. any1 think this a good idea?

A friend of mine is unloading her closet and has listed a Gucci bag. She clearly states "used" and clearly states this bag is from the archives of her closet. EB pulled her listing. She waited 1-week and successfully listed it 2-days ago. Let's see how long it stays up there.

Kaw - I sold some stuff from my home and one of the items I listed were my used Coach bags from my personal collection and got my listings pulled lightning quick.

damn
 

so there like no such way to get around vero? **** eb

yes ive tried saying its been used and got my listing pulled aswell, the only way to get round vero is to become a power seller it seems only they can get away with it.

hmm
 

how you become a powerseller?

i dont know, lol, im not or never have been a power seller.

i heard from a user that u can try HMTL within the vero brand name:


<b>G</b>U</>C<B>C</b>I

instead of gucci


any of u heard about this ?

It might be high level power seller. I've seen the really high level power sellers get away with pretty much constant violations.

Folks: I think we have a whole section on Vero--no Real Magic Bullet for it..
--Rotate your items, on several accts, list only 1-2 per acct after that acct has built up trust,
--You just have to be "Creative" when listing, if youve not had a previous track record of Closed sales in same category/brand, with no takedowns,, again--no one single magic answer... Ebays running scared with the Tiffany Lawsuit..

>> VERO Work-Arounds--PART 2 <<<
 

VERO WORKAROUNDS Part 2

Folks:

I have been trying something for the past 2 months, and after I closed another sale tonight, I
thought I would now share with you..
>>KEEP IN MIND:
--YOU MUST ADAPT these "ideas" to your particular items..

a.) First, My items are Authentic, so I am always ready for the Counter Claim/Notice
b.) The items closed for between $370-$599.
c.) The items have been "rotated" between 3 accts, so I can close 1-2/week with no problems..

The accts are all still up-- and no takedowns... So- Heres the "IDEA".. not the exact items, mind you.

Lets say your item, is a Montblanc 149 Fountain Pen.. (MSRP $599-$675)..

a.) I would title this as:
German Engineered Fountain Pen LUXURY Executive Styled New!

My Photos would be of my ACTUAL ITEM...--CLEARLY ,,,showing a Montblanc Connisseur
the NIB, or the Black Barrel or the infamous white Snow Cap on the Caps end...

b.) The DESCRIPTION.... Would be something like..

Brand New, Authentic, GERMAN Made Fountian Pen
Original Case/Box/papers
Highly Polished Black Lacquered Barrel, with 22KT Gold Overlay
18K Gold NIB
NIB+ Medium Point
Will Come in Original Case
Will Come with 2 boxes Fountain Pen Cartridges

LUXURY at its BEST.. a TRUE Executive SURPRISE GIFT!!!

Selling on Consignment from a Lawyers Estate!
Item appears to never have been used!

------------ OK< so you see, I have NEVER once mentioned MONTBLANC anywhere...also- I add CREDIBILITY..from the Lawyers Estate..

---a True MB COLLECTOR--he's gonna think.."BOY,this person doesnt even know they have a $600 pen..ha ha..Im gonna get the steal of a lifetime,.
so he places it on his watch, and maybe bids"..


NOW..CATEGORY--WILL NOT Be MONTBLANC ,, WILL BE--
Pens/Fine Writing Instruments, or Maybe sets/ or maybe pens/other pens,
BUT--NOT in the MONTBLANC category....

>> I HAVE tried this 2 ways--- YOu can do all of the above +++ place in MB category-- and
I was taken down 1 time out of 8 sales, or--u can do the above way Ive suggested..
BOTH ways--are very hard to detect by vero...


NOW.. start at 99 cents...BUT..HAVE A RESERVE and a BIN, of like $379.99 (or whatever u want for it)..
This way- if the COLLECTORS do not get it frist time around, U can either send the 2nd chance offer to the
$350 bidders, or just relist,, SAME WAY....

After your fb is up... I also use Gallery FEATURED,,,

** Try this on 1 item,, and watch it sell..... GOOD LUCK !:))

You definitely have some excellent tips here.

I have listed a VeRO item exactly as you suggested: no mention of designer name in title or description - did not list under the designer's name/category but did list w/a picture of item. As the days went by and my simple listing moved-up to first page, item sold with no problems. I did get a few emails/questions asking if the item was "so & so".

Thanks for sharing your experience.

Aye, this reminds me of my days selling VeRO items.. it does work, but for me since I was listing 100 auctions a day, it didn't last long.. 2-4 weeks tops... but I did have some great selling days. :)

Good luck though,

excellent i will surely try this way! thanks!

how long did you list these item for? 3 day listing? 5? 7?

thanks

check out my listing peep!
 

ebay# 260225842657

i followed your vero walkaround, sprinkle a bit there and there, can you tell me if this is a good listing walkaround for vero?

thanks



thanksss !!! leave me a feedback if you think this is a good listing.

Hi guys...take your chances on days..I just closed a 1 day...fb is 91 on acct,though..Fyi-they will only let u list a vero for 5 or 7.....so b careful...I'm testing on throw away accts....

yo ebayluvhate, love the helps!

i got a question , pm you iam just asking it here so for anybody that's in the same boat as me .


my question is:

you inform us to not revise after you list any vero.

but what happen if you revise an vero? shall u end that listing right away, and make an new one without any revision? since revise alrdy trigger those watch dog arldy. what you think people like us shuld do?

HI guys,, NOT a science, but for "ME"--I just eat the listing fees, end it--make a new listing, the REVISIONS will kill you.. (again, happens to me)---
--So when i make a goof-- I end it,, Make a new listing.. I LET THEM get the new fees... :)

although the vero walk around may be effective at times, you usually arnt able to make as much profit, as not as much people are able to see your listing.

As eBay put it Powersellers are the pillars of the community. They are trusted and respected more so of course they get away with a few more minor violations and given more leway. However if a PS is reported for a violation by a numpty with little reputation the report is ignored


If your VERO items are anything by Stone Island well initially its a matter of when they come across your listing, and if they have pulled your listing once before you are in the cross-hairs and they are waiting to pounce yet again.

do your items sell when you list like this, how does anyone find it.

The Vero items are they only pulling and watching the items listed as new or can vero items only be new in other word if they are used they are not vero

No. Even pulling items described as worn/used that by chance are vero. xxxxrod, there is a post where someone sold a pair of jeans and that was pulled.
I had hassles with a Harley Davison dog lead. ffs!
Not to say that some may be OK but you can never tell.

Tips for selling software on eBay: a guide for tiptoeing around VeRO
 

I have been selling software & other items on eBay for approximately 7 years, and Amazon.com for 5 years.Since I was just suspended for vero crap, I thought I would make some good out of my forced hiatus and guide the members of this forum on dodging a vero bullet in software. Note that this guide assumes LEGIT SOFTWARE is being sold. Please do NOT post pirated goods on eBay. You end up pretending they are legit because of eBay regulations, buyers get upset, report you to BSA (Business software alliance, a industry anti-piracy group) and the software manufacturer, and then companies like Microsoft cook up statistics like "90% of software offered on internet auctions is unlicensed".


ALSO NOTE: There is currently a case pending against Autodesk in Federal court for their abusive practices on eBay. Regardless of what the decision is, it will affect the validity of the info in this guide. Until that time, however, this is good info. When I write this guide, I am not implying, for example, that Autodesk's VeRO policies are right or legal......I am just saying that if you want to avoid a fight, listen up. Most of the tactics practiced by these companies are dubious or downright illegal, but they have a lot of lawyers and can make life miserable for people who want to fight a takedown.



PART ONE: MANUFACTURERS THAT ARE NO-NO! YOU TAKE YOUR CHANCES WITH THESE GUYS:

This is a imcomplete list, but pay attention to:


Novell: do not sell their software. A company corrupted by lawyers who will seemingly randomly have your listings pulled.

Computer Associates: Do not sell open-box items. Sealed boxes are A-ok. This company makes the ludicrous claim that its license forbids the resale of opened software, while conveniently ignoring the fact that a reseller does not install the software or read the license, and is therefore not bound by it. You will likely face a lawsuit or a demand for settlement if you get caught selling open-box stuff.

Autodesk: Same as Computer Associates, and in some cases even worse. Open box software can land you in hot water, but if the box is undamaged and closed, Autodesk will usually assume it is a sealed box and leave you alone. However, when the buyer tries to register used Autodesk software (activation & registration are compulsory), they will come back to you with steam coming out of their mouth, because Autodesk will refuse to transfer the license.

Their licenses also have several other ridiculous clauses, but they are not important to eBay. Do not EVER sell Autodesk software that doesn't come with a box. Loose discs will get Autodesk on your back, with threats of legal action and a demand for possibly several grand as a settlement. Here's another whopper: If you buy Autodesk software from a company that goes bankrupt, Autodesk will claim that the bankruptcy invalidates the license (!). They have a clause in their EULA pertaining to this.

Mathematica, MathCAD: do NOT sell these items, especially the academic versions. VeRO pulldowns are seemingly random affairs with these boneheads. They claim that their "license" forbids the unauthorized sale of academic software, and sometimes used software. You may or may not be OK with brand new, non-academic versions.

BRANDS THAT ARE OK TO LIST, BUT TAKE CARE:

MICROSOFT: Do not list used OEM software. This is a big pet peeve of Microsoft's. New OEM is sometimes OK, but can get you in trouble too. Older stuff, like Windows 98SE, seems easier to sell in new OEM variety. Try not to list newer product lines in OEM variety, IE, XP products and 2003 products. A slight tweak in the license for these items has given Microsoft more confidence to bully sellers.

Do not list branded software....ie.....stuff marked "for distribution with a new DELL PC only" (instead of just "for distribution with a new PC only". Do NOT list recovery discs of any kind, ie, like the 30 Dell Windows XP recovery discs I have (sucks, I know). Do NOT list World Wide Fulfillment (WWE/WWF) software. This will be marked "unlicensed software...illegal without separate license from MS". It may also have weird hologram/silkscreen patterns or might be marked "student media" or "work at home media". Do NOT list software marked NOT FOR OEM OR RETAIL DISTRIBUTION". If you have a paper license for these items, you can list, but do not take a picture of the disc surface. Do NOT list MSDN software separately from the rest of the MSDN collection....ie, you have a MSDN collection and you take it apart and sell the various discs as individual products.

Another interesting tidbit for you vintage software sellers: do NOT list Office 97 without all the material....box, COA, books. There is a cottage industry around finding ways to avoid saying "Office 97" anywhere in the description, or using a "Office 97" image. I created several descriptions and composite images that were stolen by other sellers, and you can still see them around eBay. Do NOT list OEM Office 97, unless you have created one of the afore-mentioned evasive descriptions. Microsoft claims Office 97 was the most pirated Office ever, and the sketchy quality control employed in disc manufacturing (especially the silkscreening) means that you will NOT win a fight on this issue. Practically every run of Office 97 had a slightly different silkscreen texture and pattern than the one before it.

If you have retail software from Microsoft, anything goes....box, no box, CD key scribbled on the disc...they generally don't care. They usually won't care about NFR (not for resale) items either, as long as they are not shown a picture of the box front with the NFR label on it. The dopes at Microsoft will not usually decipher the box COA label, so it's safe to include a picture of that.

ADOBE: These guys lost a court battle or two, so they seem to be generally easy-going. It also helps that their product line is not as diverse or tiered as Microsoft's. I don't remember ever having an auction pulled by Adobe. Don't list the stuff marked "for bundles only". I've never seen a listing pulled for that, but this guide is about being under the radar, not sticking the gun in your mouth and waiting for someone to pull the trigger. If you must list this stuff, do not take a picture of the disc. On these items, the case will be identical to normal retail products; the disc has a large message on it. Better to take chances with a buyer than with VeRO...if they're unhappy, refund money.

Now, with Adobe, you will be constantly pestered by idiot buyers who are seemingly more interested in transferring the license in their name than using the software. It's a fairly complicated process that requires that 1) the software is already in YOUR name (unlikely, hey you picked this photoshop up at a garage sale right?) or 2) you have a license transfer form that is completely filled out on the seller's half (when you buy the software, ask the seller to fill out his half, and you leave your half blank for the future buyer). This only applies, obviously, if the software is already registered in someone's name.

If you don't want to deal with it, just say "I do not know if the software is registered, and cannot help with the transfer process". Most people who ask usually don't bid, anyway, no matter the answer. If you have sealed, boxed software from Adobe, you are a lucky person who will probably make a good deal of money :) Their upgrade policy keeps values up on even pretty old software (Photoshop 6 & 7, for example). Be sure to list the part number or take a photo of the label on the box....people will pester you for it otherwise. (assuming you have a sealed retail boxed copy)

ADDED: MACROMEDIA: They are now part of Adobe, and the same rules apply. However, do NOT sell used version 8 or 2004 MX applications unless you supervise the deactivation process. These items require deactivation and license transfer from the original buyer's computer, so unless you can supervise that in person, my advice, DON'T DO IT. I was screwed once when I bought a Studio MX 2004 that had not been deactivated. If I remember correctly, Macromedia MX products do not require activation and are A-OK to sell used or new.

ADDED: CHIEF ARCHITECT, SPECIALTY HOME DESIGN SOFTWARE: OK to sell either used or new as long as software includes USB dongle and you provide notice in the auction that you will complete the license transfer process and pay the $50 fee.

ADDED: STUFF LIKE 3DS MAX, MAYA, ALIAS: All this stuff, including older versions, are now owned by Autodesk & the same rules apply. Autodesk seems to own half the cad/3d design stuff out there now. Do not sell used stuff, license is not transferrable (well, actually, Autodesk WON'T transfer it), so even if you manage to slip in under the radar, the buyer will come after you.

ADDED: E-ON SOFTWARE (MAKERS OF VUE D'ESPRIT CG SOFTWARE): They seem to be OK, have never seen an auction pulled. Vue 6.x includes activation, so I am not sure how that will work when reselling.

ADDED: AUTODESSYS (MAKERS OF FORM-Z): I sold one of their software products once, make sure dongle is included and their products usually have 2 or 3 different serial numbers. You should be a-OK with these guys.

ADDED: INTUIT (QUICKBOOKS): recommend not selling used items UNLESS you have all personal info of previous buyer. New stuff is OK. I wouldn't say VeRO is the problem....they will leave you alone, but their products have registration and activation, and you need the original buyer's personal info to transfer to a new buyer. If you don't have this stuff for a used product, it's basically useless.


I think I've covered some good material here. If I missed something and you've got a question, do ask it in this thread so it helps other members too.

Alternative to Vero and trademark?
 

Hey all, ive been going through the forums and i appreciate ur guys feeback as it has been trully helpful. At this moment i am selling brandname wallets (Prada, Coach, Versace etc) that come with authenticity cards and all that good stuff.

Anyways after battling suspensions, trademark violations all the stuff ebay puts us through i am continuously searching for ways to solve this.

I do not know if u guys tried this but would like to get ur feedback on this idea. Since a lot of the wallets i have are identical, how about making one store listing which contains a fixed price and a large quantity and placing it on the indefinite listing time frame.

ioffer will suit your need if your goods are ⊗⊗⊗⊗.

VeRO is hard to beat...

Good luck with that.

i still vero items in low quantities and im okay