HMRC effects £1740 limit

[BeachedHead]

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay

stealth accounts are not a case for police though. I recall the time about 15 years ago it was a hot topic , many letters from HMRC were arriving , thousands of letters. it did not really change much at the end

when they want to change things they should act like germans , just prosecuting / persecuting people out of principle but even germans have problems , their justice system is half dead half alive

Oh those letters still arrive, but they don't seem to follow up on them. And these are ones to legitimate accounts, let alone Stealth accounts. When a ftiend got one, and didn't even sell online, she contacted HMRC and was told they are just circular letters and they could not even look into the reason she recieved one as it 'came from a different department'. All very silly.

Obnviously now, the goal posts have moved with the Police State coming into force, but I personally think people will be safe for a few years till they get better at managing all the data and creating laws to fine. I doubt anyone is going to get prosecuted, there just isn't the resources for that.

[murdered_by_ebay]

police state and ebay are not related in this matter , HMRC and police have little in common most of the time

[BeachedHead]

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay

police state and ebay are not related in this matter , HMRC and police have little in common most of the time

A Police State does not directly mean 'Police' lol. The Police State certainly is related, because that is exactly where the snooping laws and HMRC control is from.

[murdered_by_ebay]

the snooping laws are needed to control the population

[BeachedHead]

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay

the snooping laws are needed to control the population

= Police State.

You do come back with some contradictory statements, its very odd!

[Daniellesmith9]

Originally Posted by BeachedHead

Actually you'll find provided ⊗⊗⊗⊗ details to a financial entity which eBay now is, is illegal. Deception, providing false information, theres loads of laws this would fall into.

Everything Stealth is,in the UK at least, illegal. I find it comical that some are making out a hierarchy of whose being more illegal than another lol.

Whilst I'm not disagreeing with what you wrote, let's just say I have first hand experience of dealing with all of this above and whilst I can't or won't go into detail for various reasons, you're only going to get prosecuted for dodging/evading tax. Stealth accounts will just be used against you in aid of the dodging/evading.

You will not end up in a cell if you declare your income and you have used stealth accounts. They only care for numbers and payments.

[murdered_by_ebay]

Originally Posted by BeachedHead

= Police State.

You do come back with some contradictory statements, its very odd!

no contradiction , control over the population is not the same as taking control of taxes. they will be primarily directed at people opposing the state that is why they have already started hunting people down for "thought crimes", tightening of taxation I have not seen so far

[BeachedHead]

Originally Posted by Daniellesmith9

Whilst I'm not disagreeing with what you wrote, let's just say I have first hand experience of dealing with all of this above and whilst I can't or won't go into detail for various reasons, you're only going to get prosecuted for dodging/evading tax. Stealth accounts will just be used against you in aid of the dodging/evading.

You will not end up in a cell if you declare your income and you have used stealth accounts. They only care for numbers and payments.

All depends on the prosecutor imo...if an eager detective uncovers something they think will 'put them on the map' then they will certainly go after everything and try to make it a big expose of it. No journalist has really touched Stealth accounts and the methods used to operate them, but it will happen eventually and then the door will be wide open.

Obviously, everything is speculation.

[BeachedHead]

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay

no contradiction , control over the population is not the same as taking control of taxes. they will be primarily directed at people opposing the state that is why they have already started hunting people down for "thought crimes", tightening of taxation I have not seen so far

It is EXACTLY the same as taking control of taxes.

[murdered_by_ebay]

Originally Posted by BeachedHead

It is EXACTLY the same as taking control of taxes.

they already have control of taxes , in western countries the tax system works a lot stricter than the rest , for example you are guilty until you prove that you are innocent has been a major feature for many years

[BeachedHead]

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay

they already have control of taxes , in western countries the tax system works a lot stricter than the rest , for example you are guilty until you prove that you are innocent has been a major feature for many years

They don't, otherwise they wouldn't be taking measures such as what they are doing with online sales.

I agree, in the UK, we are very much guilty until proven innocent, thats why it only takes someone to suggest you've done something with no proof, and the Police will come and take you away in cuffs. It's only going to get worse as the Police State prevails.

[ft16]

Originally Posted by BeachedHead

They don't, otherwise they wouldn't be taking measures such as what they are doing with online sales.

I agree, in the UK, we are very much guilty until proven innocent, thats why it only takes someone to suggest you've done something with no proof, and the Police will come and take you away in cuffs. It's only going to get worse as the Police State prevails.

They might come and take you away in cuffs if your're rude to someone on twitter. Stealth account, not so much.

All the more reason to keep your stealth game tight.

[BeachedHead]

Originally Posted by ft16

They might come and take you away in cuffs if your're rude to someone on twitter. Stealth account, not so much.

All the more reason to keep your stealth game tight.

Well racism, prejudism and fascist rhetoric should be cuffed, which is what we see people being arrested for for their online hate speil...although, admittedly they don't like anyone opposing the Labour Police State and its genocidal political standings..

I see it more of a problem than not paying tax of a pack of party balloons you may have sold on eBay, but then again, I am a socialist

[murdered_by_ebay]

taxes are just a small part of the puzzle , in reality HMRC has had authoriterian powers over taxes for years , it is more a question of what should be enforced

investigating small tax payers only makes sense for intimidation but it is a losing business , they can not pay much and many who get a high bill would not be able to pay anyway. most people do not even have meaningful savings so it would need to be investigated and settlement would be offered which still may not be paid due to lack of funds

it is really like shooting with cannons at pigeons , that is not the pigeons that are gonna run out but the ammo for cannons

[agent006140]

In US,Internal Revenue Service usually seeks out high income tax returns,but there are also low income ones selected randomly just to test the integrity of the system.

[Captain_America]

Can I ask how you are an expert in absolutely everything?

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay

taxes are just a small part of the puzzle , in reality HMRC has had authoriterian powers over taxes for years , it is more a question of what should be enforced

investigating small tax payers only makes sense for intimidation but it is a losing business , they can not pay much and many who get a high bill would not be able to pay anyway. most people do not even have meaningful savings so it would need to be investigated and settlement would be offered which still may not be paid due to lack of funds

it is really like shooting with cannons at pigeons , that is not the pigeons that are gonna run out but the ammo for cannons

[murdered_by_ebay]

Originally Posted by Captain_America

Can I ask how you are an expert in absolutely everything?

do you have a specific topic in mind or is it a desire for a conversation out of loneliness?

but you are right do not read what I write , I invent it all on the go , I don't even sell online , it is just fun writing stuff

[BeachedHead]

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay

taxes are just a small part of the puzzle , in reality HMRC has had authoriterian powers over taxes for years , it is more a question of what should be enforced

investigating small tax payers only makes sense for intimidation but it is a losing business , they can not pay much and many who get a high bill would not be able to pay anyway. most people do not even have meaningful savings so it would need to be investigated and settlement would be offered which still may not be paid due to lack of funds

it is really like shooting with cannons at pigeons , that is not the pigeons that are gonna run out but the ammo for cannons

This is why using a UK flag is misleading in conversation, as you're definitely not in the UK nor have much of an understanding over UK policies.

While in principle I agree with what you have said, we regularly see people who are bone ass poor being dragged through the courts if they miss paying council tax, or did a few hours cleaning work on the side while claiming social security benefits. All it does is effectively put a person into debt which they will eventually end up paying for their rest of their life...and thats the point, like mortgages, its all part of the people control. Debt is the biggest control on humans there is, that an religion, both undesirable and created by wealthy people to ascert domination.

[murdered_by_ebay]

Originally Posted by BeachedHead

This is why using a UK flag is misleading in conversation, as you're definitely not in the UK nor have much of an understanding over UK policies.

While in principle I agree with what you have said, we regularly see people who are bone ass poor being dragged through the courts if they miss paying council tax, or did a few hours cleaning work on the side while claiming social security benefits. All it does is effectively put a person into debt which they will eventually end up paying for their rest of their life...and thats the point, like mortgages, its all part of the people control. Debt is the biggest control on humans there is, that an religion, both undesirable and created by wealthy people to ascert domination.

sure I have been doing UK for 22 years + 4 years before that outside the UK , considering all the crap people have been writing here about verification , ip addresses , account warming up , which items they sell or are planning to sell etc. , I would say 90%+ have less experience than me

and it is easy to see in this thread here , they have been writing about mass tax investigations - anyone familiar with the topic knows that it is impossible , it is physically not doable neither in the UK nor in other countries

[Captain_America]

Generally about everything.

That actually is believable....

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay

do you have a specific topic in mind or is it a desire for a conversation out of loneliness?

but you are right do not read what I write , I invent it all on the go , I don't even sell online , it is just fun writing stuff

[Captain_America]

It's 2025 dude, of course it's possible. The tax investigations can easily be automated. For a start they can check turnover from the marketplace data against the tax return, they can see from the marketplace date if someone is registered for VAT who should be. If it's stealth they can easily contact the bank for the account holders details. That's before it has any human involvement. With them having this tool it changes everything.

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay

sure I have been doing UK for 22 years + 4 years before that outside the UK , considering all the crap people have been writing here about verification , ip addresses , account warming up , which items they sell or are planning to sell etc. , I would say 90%+ have less experience than me

and it is easy to see in this thread here , they have been writing about mass tax investigations - anyone familiar with the topic knows that it is impossible , it is physically not doable neither in the UK nor in other countries

[murdered_by_ebay]

many things are possible , it is even possible that aliens arrive tomorrow

I am talking about things that are doable , all that information about sales , bank accounts etc. is worthless as long as the tax basis can not be calculated automatically

They would be able to do it with VAT because the turnover is the tax basis but with the small sellers under VAT threshold they would need to know what was sold , how much , used or new , where it came from , how much it was purchased for , how much profit was made , whether it was purchased at all , whether it was unique items or many copies of the same item etc. if there is no cooperation they would need to estimate , they would get appeals , very many appeals to process etc.

no software can do this stuff , they can not send automated tax bills as long as they do not have the basis. all these numbers do not mean anything as long as they are not connected to the existing laws which allow to determine the tax basis and estimate the profit , penalties etc.

for this very reason I am convinced they will be looking primarily for VAT and even that probably in 2-3 years or later