NI - do businesses have to give?

[175tom]

I wonder at what point eBay request NI. I’ve been selling and haven’t received an email as of yet? Ive also heard of people getting letters through the door aswell for online sales. Normally I would think there’s a certain threshold that needs to be hit but it seems to be all over the place at the minute.

[murdered_by_ebay]

they may not ask at all , ID upload request will happen though if you use multiple accounts under your name or if you start running large volumes

[BeachedHead]

Originally Posted by 175tom

I wonder at what point eBay request NI. I’ve been selling and haven’t received an email as of yet? Ive also heard of people getting letters through the door aswell for online sales. Normally I would think there’s a certain threshold that needs to be hit but it seems to be all over the place at the minute.

They are just doing in stages, in batches, like they always do, was similar with Managed Payments, your time will come, everyone's will.

The letters through the door are the scare letters from HMRC, never know one of them to be followed up on y thhe HMRC either. Best advice is to ignore it, definitely do not engage, as once you've made contact, you're on their radar.

[Iron_chin]

Hi. I put a slightly wrong ni number in one of my accounts, but about 2 days later that account and all my other accounts were asked to upgrade to Buisness accounts or face restrictions within 30 days.

[murdered_by_ebay]

Originally Posted by BeachedHead

They are just doing in stages, in batches, like they always do, was similar with Managed Payments, your time will come, everyone's will.

The letters through the door are the scare letters from HMRC, never know one of them to be followed up on y thhe HMRC either. Best advice is to ignore it, definitely do not engage, as once you've made contact, you're on their radar.

this is spot on , it will not be too late to react later if the situation should require it

this is the same principle as with making a confession during a police interrogation , criminal defense attorneys would usually advice to remain silent and if a confession should become necessary it should be done later

[BeachedHead]

Originally Posted by Iron_chin

Hi. I put a slightly wrong ni number in one of my accounts, but about 2 days later that account and all my other accounts were asked to upgrade to Buisness accounts or face restrictions within 30 days.

Unlikely to be linked directly to the NI, more that they looked at your account, because of the NI request and update.

Its happening a lot now, business sellers parading as private sellers finally getting dealt with.

[Iron_chin]

I wouldn’t say I’m a Buisness seller but eBay seems to be thinking differently

[0MZZ]

Hi what is likely to happen after giving my NI number to eBay as a private seller - I have had 130 sales since start of the year - what do people suggest

[spookycat]

Originally Posted by Iron_chin

Hi. I put a slightly wrong ni number in one of my accounts, but about 2 days later that account and all my other accounts were asked to upgrade to Buisness accounts or face restrictions within 30 days.

Same to my account. Apparently, a random NI doesn't work

[just another seller]

Originally Posted by ft16

If someone sells 20k, and that's their only income they're very unlikely to have any tax to pay anyway.

why do you think so? in the uk you pay tax if you earn over 12570 a year, 20k is way over that

[ft16]

Originally Posted by just another seller

why do you think so? in the uk you pay tax if you earn over 12570 a year, 20k is way over that

20k is turnover, You only pay tax on profits.

To be paying tax on a turnover of 20k you'd have to be making a profit of more than 12570, which given ebay fees, postage and cost of stock would be unlikely.

[Iron_chin]

Originally Posted by spookycat

Same to my account. Apparently, a random NI doesn't work

So you got asked to upgrade to business aswell?

[jak]

Originally Posted by BeachedHead

It does make you wonder doesn't it? I guess there are exceptions for the big sellers with eBay, I can't imagine Argos being tied to one single person as I doubt it's even owned by one person.

eBay with NI is a problem for many people, many people who are working, not just those on benefits, use it as a side hustle to survive. Survival is very diffierent to what the right wing press like to make headlines with.

Its control - left wing or right wing, makes no difference its the way controllers, they do not care about the money they are data collecting and probably using Ai as Ai is a very powerful tool to make people in slaves and track everything you say do and operate. And use that data and try and predict your pattern in future.

[jak]

Originally Posted by WestHammer

Given that they've just had to cancel 30,000 late payment self assessment fees because they don't have the manpower to process them.

Don't worry they will when they be using Ai they will monitor everything and use less man power and use Ai to track everything of your life, give them a few years and you see what they be doing. That is what the future is Ai and not man power that is why doing "digital" is a slave system which they "control"

[jak]

Originally Posted by james_112233

Everyone turning over more than.50k has to do quarterly tax returns

Because it is control and if you do not submit the return then it will be penalised for your own mistake which they set the rule for. However if it was less money then you had it more difficult to survive.

[jak]

Originally Posted by OldTom

It is Income Tax which is being made digital

because it is the tax which is the slave system, not the income. Using digital technology is the perfect tool to make people submit, who wants cash when there is no trace. However with digital you have the name, address, NIN, how much profit they taking and then check if they enter the correct details submitted to the inland revenue. they probably do it every 1/4 because they want to know if the good slave is doing the proper checks or not, if not a knock at the door.

[murdered_by_ebay]

NIN is just another piece for information. some of the same people who are freaking out because of NIN have already provided a UTR to amazon but they do not seem to be worried about that

[jak]

because amazon will collect the information a different way to the inland revenue And ebay will use a more basic approach.

[murdered_by_ebay]

inland revenue? are you even from the UK? amazon have been cooperating with tax authorities in europe for years

[paulfoltyn]

Originally Posted by spookycat

Same to my account. Apparently, a random NI doesn't work

Does a real, but mismatched person?

[agent006140]

Originally Posted by ft16 View Post
If someone sells 20k, and that's their only income they're very unlikely to have any tax to pay anyway.

Originally Posted by just another seller

why do you think so? in the uk you pay tax if you earn over 12570 a year, 20k is way over that

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He is referring to net income after deducting costs of running the business-cost of goods sold,rent,postage,etc

[Iron_chin]

I had a personal account which is not stealth, on my own details and eBay asked for The NI number. I input a wrong one. Anyway few days later I sold an expensive set of wheels and immediately after that eBay sent a message to all my accounts requiring to Upgrade to business accounts. All accounts are in my name and not stealth.

My question is, I don’t want to pay tax I’m only a small selller and rather not let the tax man know about my activities for side hustle. Sorry to be blunt but rather be truthful.

After upgrading ebay have asked me again to put NI number, should I ⊗⊗⊗⊗ it again or use my real one?