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Dongle questions
 

Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, or if it's in the wrong category.

I've never used a dongle before, and was considering switching to using dongles for my stealths to cut down on time spend changing over via my router.

So,

1. Do dongles generally keep to the same IP addresses (thinking of vodaphone and 3 networks)

2. If they do keep to the same IP's, is there a way to change or refresh the dongle IP if a stealth gets closed, or is that dongle now a piece of junk?

Basically I'm looking at Uswitch and they say its a 12 month contract, I would hate to be stuck with a dongle I can't use if a stealth gets shut down.

Alternatively I think the cheapest I found was a 14.99 PAYG dongle with no contract, again would hate to throw away 15 quid if that stealth fails.

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dongle Ip change when you turn on/off the dongle or computer

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Really? That seems like a bad idea for stealth then, would you not risk your IP clashing with another stealther's on your network?

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You get a fresh ip almost everytime you plug in the dongle.

Simply unplug it, wait a second, then plug it back in for a new ip.

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So yuo can use just one dongle for all your stealths then? Or is there something with the dongle that means you can be linked between accounts still?

It sounds like the set up I have is better, I can retain the same IP every time i switch, it just takes about 10 mins to do the switch over for each one.

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you don't need one Ip for one account, I use one dongle for multiple accounts without any issues. Sometimes I log in one account with 10 different ip the same day

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One dongle is fine to use on multiple accounts.

Its good practice to record your ip everytime you login. So you dont use the same ip on different accounts.

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I use the 3 dongle and it was pretty cheap and I just top it up monthly for however much data you want, works well!

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How weird, well thank you for the info guys, seems like it might be an option for future stealths but I think I prefer the method I have at the moment!

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So are you saying that if the IP changes on the account it's not an issue and won't result in PayPal limiting the account ?

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Dongles are the easiest things to use.....
1. Plug it in, Use Ebay/PP
2. Unplug for a few seconds
3. Plug back in and off to next account

I don't think it gets easier than that.

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Yes, that's what i'm saying

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But don't forget to track your IP addresses.

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what is the point of tracking your ip when you use a dongle? there are thousands other users who might be using the same ip for other ebay accounts.

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I've often wondered this. I assume it is because your IP address is not enough to link accounts, but if your account gets looked over manually and your IP addresses AND something else matches another account then boom - accounts gone.

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100% right

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For sure, IP only is not enough to link accounts

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I use different IP all the time - making sure not to overlap - keeping cookies in place is key as well

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Does anyone have any experience (UK Based) the in the difference between dongle use and phone tethering - I have an Iphone 5S and on the few times I have had to use this instead of my BB listing of items takes so much longer to upload

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I use my phone to tether for one of my accounts, I quickly got fed up of logging IP's which is why I'm reluctant to use the dongle. But I found it to be quite good for the one account I do use it for, occasionally the signal can have a fit but that's down to the network provider. otherwise its a quick change of IP. Refreshing the IP manually requires turning the phone on and off.

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I imagine if you do use the phone tethering option you can only use it for one account as they can log your emei number and MAC address

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EBay/PP can't see your MAC address or EMEI using a browser when tethering. Tethering is the same as using a Dongle or MIFI, would still suggest recording your IP changes.

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You can use phone tethering for as many accounts as you wish if the IP is dynamic and IP pool is diverse enough.

They can't log your imei number if you are tethering.

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Are there any ways that your imei number can be logged ?

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When you say record your IP changes does this mean making a note of each IP and any changes ?

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Nope. Not unless you decide to install ebay/paypal apps on your phone. But even then, not sure if they read IMEI.

You make a note of IP + the ebay/paypal account you used it on. There's a thread here which has a nice excel file attached to help you log the IP.
http://www.aspkin.com/forums/multipl...-stealths.html

Whilst you may share the same IP as others during the course of selling on the account, you will have unique attributes (which can link you during a manual review). So I highly discourage you from cutting such corner and not logging your IP.

Once you've mastered stealth, work out ways you can do things without having to login to your ebay account. I personally login to accounts once or twice a week, because I can get the rest done without having to login.

Examples: Use Inkfrog to manage listings, or read here to reply to messages without logging into ebay >>> http://www.aspkin.com/forums/subscri...ails-move.html etc.

Hope that all helps. :)

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I actually had a company that used to take mifis and dongles as you call them and reprogram them for free service and we used to sell thousands a month all over the world but we used to write simple scripts to reboot them without unplugging them at all.

Simply double click the script and wait 5 seconds

With the popular brands I wouldn't be surprised if a google search doenst pull up a script.

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What unique attributes are you talking about ?

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I don't know what attributes "Play" was referring to but I can tell you that I know these Dongles/mifis/cell phones inside and out at the binary level and there are many identifiers they broadcast and that can not be hidden right in the open header of every bit of data transferred.

Each device has a unique MEID or IMEI which is essentially its Social Security Number and while this not impossible to change it is (depending on the device) very difficult and most times requires expensive tools, training and time.

I used to uses the mifis with completely automated scripts to do just that and then it would log into the internet and go do that which I programmed it to do with a new SSN (MEID or IMEI)

But there are at lest seven other distinctly identifying sets of numbers that are broadcast as well.

AAA shared secret codes which are baked into the device and must hash back to the meid or IMEI

HA codes that also must hash back to the MEID or IMEI

then you have generated Pass codes or AKey codes that are generated from the first 8 digits of the meid or IMEI and in the header packet it broadcasts if theses are correct or false

So any website you travel to can simply capture these codes and compare them if the choose to do so.

It's basically in plan text.

If you know how to run wireshark you can see it

I suppose a lot of sites don't look at that information but from a network security standpoint I could almost guarantee that eBay and Amazon collect that information or at lest a portion of it each time you log in.

They may not look at it right now but I would imagen that they can flip that switch anytime they want and do so especially once the automated system alerts customer service to manually look at your account.

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Thanks for this answer, but they don't track these numbers unless you use the app, and I think Play was referring to the account itself, not the device used. But it's good to know! I don't understand what the ssn has to do in this story

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Yeah, this is what happens when people start talking techie talk....he was comparing an EMEI to a SSN, how an SSN is assigned to 1 person alone.

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I suspect that if they track it via the app (Which technically is just capturing it from your phone and sending it to them) they are capturing it and tracking it via your log in using dongles and mifis. (Which is the same exact thing as you phone for this discussion)

It's so simple to do it would simply be malpractice on their part to not do it!

They may not use the information as part of their policy but I can't imagine being part of their security team and not making that a mandatory capture field on day 1!

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Yes, I understand, and I was joking for the ssn, sorry MM78

So, u understand it is simple to track it, but in my opinion, it is more simple to make the verification process of these numbers automatic, so why would they track it to use it only for manual review ?? I think they keep manual review only for what a bit cannot do itself as it still cheaper to pay a robot than to pay a human.
Once again , in my opinion, they don't really care/want to do much verification, but they have to fit to the countries laws and the conditions the countries allow them to work. You can see it as the limit are not the same in each country for example. And we are very far from the day where governments will ask them about imei aaa, etc

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Yes I think you are absolutely correct about that! The only things they care about is making money and minimally complying with the law. However the more I learn about Amazon the more I would be careful with mifis and them they seem to enforce the marketplace more then eBay (not that im any expert on Amazon I have only sold like 20 items over there in two years!!!!

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Yes, Amazon are much better at linking accounts than ebay, they do more manual review too

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re recording IP's. if you have IPBurger.com as your default page its displays the ip address and there is a link under it to copy the Ip address to the clipboard making pasting its to your records and saving it easy. also to the right is a list of ip addresses you have used