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09-16-2018
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Originally Posted by SaiJin Okay, that's what I thought....
1. Internet dongles : You have very limited pool of IP and it has a chance to fail.
2. This is taught in the stealth guide, one of the basics that we teach people.
3. VPS? Sure, I like VPS too. Why don't you tell us which VPS is great and safe? And cheaper? VPN:
1. Cheap
2. FAST
3. You don't have to try to keep trying to get a new IP everytime you refresh specially when you have over 10 accounts.
4. Efficient
You see, I operate over 50 accounts. And I calculated how many hours I've wasted trying to get a new IP at times. With VPN I can log in and out to that Dedicated IP in seconds.
Now another fact I've seen about you and your posts. You like to take people down.
You give people crap advice a lot of times that we the Admins have to delete.
You think negative of a lot of things and you do this because you are reflecting on who you are subconsciously.
Profit in front of facts? I don't make a penny from any of the services nor the guides, and neither do ANY of the members who recommend them. It works for us perfectly and we share it to help others.
So I suggest you stop acting high and mighty and instead be a giving and productive member here. | Yes, yes, no one earns a dime off the vpns, yep they are done from a strictly altruistic stance, only for the good of the community. Please.
Dont pretend that vpns dont leak IP, or drop etc. Dongles are limited? you can have a dongle per account, if you use the 5 dollar flashed verizon mifis, still cheaper. VPS dont leak, and cheapest of all, you can literally buy a cheap router per account, most cable providers when you change the router, you get a new IP. A 20 dollar one time expense, but nope only thing pushed by mods here are VPNs, why dont you push 24vc, who has been around a heck of a lot longer providing vpns that ip burger, maybe its because IPBurger is owned by the admin? Im not here to knock someones hustle ever, but this site has turned into one big paid ad.
You guys will push the grossly outdated guides on people before you even answer one question. Aspkin is happy to keep collecting money for the guides but its too lazy to do simple updates, like update the damn section that says they can see your mac address when its been proven, that they cannot! every day you see people coming asking about mac address because of the guide, and have a slew of people telling them thats not the case, then why the hell is it in the guide. There are tons of youtube videos that better show how to make a stealth account, and free, but nah dont help out others in dire situations, till they buy an old guide.
Why doesnt the guide mention without ID you cannot open a amazon anymore?
Bottom line, VPN isnt the safest, or most convenient, but keep pushing it as such.
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09-16-2018
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Activity: 0% Longevity: 57% | | Re: VPN or other connection options
You both have made valid points.
SaiJin is correct that VPN is convenient, a time saver and still being safely used by many of us here (including myself) managing multiple accounts daily. You'd struggle to conveniently manage 10+ active accounts a day if you use a MiFi or some other form of tethering.
RustyShackelford is also correct that VPN is not the safest. In my opinion (which is usually misguided) VPNs do not even come second on the list of safest options. Any thinking person can come to the same conclusion.
As a moderator, SaiJin does not benefit from any VPN sales. From what I understand, moderators earn their place because they have a history of helping people like you and me.
Although you've made valid points, Sajin need not be at the other end of it.
As regards the guide, I had read the MAC address thing on another thread yesterday, and all I can presume is that, yes the guide needs updating. I do not know or interact with ASPKIN but I'd guess the man has a full plate managing a large forum as this which the guide is a small part of. I've read the guide twice, and there were significant updates the second time around.
There's a section on this forum dedicated to posting request.
ASPKIN is active there and takes the requests seriously.
See it here: https://www.aspkin.com/forums/forum-suggestions/
In conclusion, I would say this forum, far from being perfect, has made me and many others a small fortune with the wealth of information found here.
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Don’t get me wrong. I first stumbled on to aspkin over 12 years ago. I bought the guide twice. Cause I forgot the first user name. It was a long time in between. It thought me some things. Back in the day. Users were much more helpful. I just feel like now it’s a big paid ad. Any question someone asks it’s responded with “buy the guide” “ use IPBurger” get a vcc from the marketplace. They don’t provide other options. That’s all. No hate. I respect the site and hustle. Even saijin. But it becoming a paid ad is super annoying.
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09-16-2018
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Activity: 1% Longevity: 45% | | Re: VPN or other connection options Quote:
Originally Posted by RustyShackelford | Anyone with IP in a Data Center IP range will get a score of 65...
I connected to my VPN's with Data Center IP ranges and they all got a score of 65...
Then I connected to my VPN on my home server with the exact same VPN set up and it got a score of 0-Low Risk.
That test has nothing to do with VPN and everything to do with IP address...
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Yes it’s the location. I never said it got a bad score cause of the brand. My whole point is there are other safer options.
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09-16-2018
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Originally Posted by RustyShackelford Yes it’s the location. I never said it got a bad score cause of the brand. My whole point is there are other safer options. | Look, the trick with using a VPN is to build the account with a Flashed MiFi or Cellular connection for the IP's...
Then after the account is 90 days old, start using the VPN....
Then every so often throw in the Cellular IP here and there. Don't always connect using the VPN.
A lot of businesses use data center IP's these days. Remote workstations are a very popular business option now days so there is no need to have to keep buying new hardware. All they need is a Dedicated Server, the existing hardware (or the employee's personal hardware), a RDP client, and sometimes a VPN for added security, encryption, and control.
They use the VPN because it creates a Virtual LAN and the RDP client never gets access outside to the WAN.
FYI: I find it extremely annoying that 24vc or Aspkin never jump on these threads and drop some actual knowledge. I'd love to debate or pick 24vc's brain... but it will never happen...
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Activity: 0% Longevity: 64% | | Re: VPN or other connection options Quote:
Originally Posted by nate Look, the trick with using a VPN is to build the account with a Flashed MiFi or Cellular connection for the IP's...
Then after the account is 90 days old, start using the VPN....
Then every so often throw in the Cellular IP here and there. Don't always connect using the VPN.
A lot of businesses use data center IP's these days. Remote workstations are a very popular business option now so there is no need to have to keep buying new hardware. All they need is a Dedicated Server, the existing hardware, a RDP client, and sometimes a VPN for added security.
They use the VPN because it creates a Virtual LAN and the RDP client never gets access outside to the WAN.
FYI: I find it extremely annoying that 24vc or Aspkin never jump on these threads and drop some actual knowledge. I'd love to debate or pick 24vc's brain... but it will never happen... | See! This is info. Not just blindingly telling someone. Buy this service now! I completely agree best to make an account with a mobile ip and within time switch to another service if you have no choice.
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Activity: 58% Longevity: 91% | | Re: VPN or other connection options Quote:
Originally Posted by RustyShackelford Don’t get me wrong. I first stumbled on to aspkin over 12 years ago. I bought the guide twice. Cause I forgot the first user name. It was a long time in between. It thought me some things. Back in the day. Users were much more helpful. I just feel like now it’s a big paid ad. Any question someone asks it’s responded with “buy the guide” “ use IPBurger” get a vcc from the marketplace. They don’t provide other options. That’s all. No hate. I respect the site and hustle. Even saijin. But it becoming a paid ad is super annoying. |
This is simple, and frankly it's really none of your business how we help people.
if you expect us to spoonfeed every single person in here who needs to learn from 0 , you are gravely wrong.
There's a reason why I can easily tell people to start with the guide. But again, with your kind of attitude I don't appreciate you bashing us who spend a lot of time in here and trying to support people.
IF you truly want the best for PEOPLE and not YOU and your EGO, you'd have sounded different.
Like I said before, I'm tired of having to delete misinformations and bashings you have given to other members in previous threads.
BTW, I'm also going to send you a PM.
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Activity: 0% Longevity: 57% | | Re: VPN or other connection options Quote:
Originally Posted by josephanthoer341 Try using strongvpn or HMA VPN You will get amazed and get stealth full account | Using that on eBay / PayPal will get your account limited. You'd be given the same IP address that has been used by previous members and banned previously.
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09-16-2018
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Activity: 0% Longevity: 64% | | Re: VPN or other connection options Quote:
Originally Posted by SaiJin This is simple, and frankly it's really none of your business how we help people.
if you expect us to spoonfeed every single person in here who needs to learn from 0 , you are gravely wrong.
There's a reason why I can easily tell people to start with the guide. But again, with your kind of attitude I don't appreciate you bashing us who spend a lot of time in here and trying to support people.
IF you truly want the best for PEOPLE and not YOU and your EGO, you'd have sounded different.
Like I said before, I'm tired of having to delete misinformations and bashings you have given to other members in previous threads.
BTW, I'm also going to send you a PM. | What misinformation have you deleted?? I haven’t given one bit of advice that wasn’t successful for me personally. You on the other hand not so sure. I’m not here to arrive or battle. Just sick of the only replies being go to the marketplace.
Yea great pm. “I’ll be dealt with” yea so scared. Bring it.
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Activity: 24% Longevity: 61% | | Re: VPN or other connection options Quote:
Originally Posted by josephanthoer341 Try using strongvpn or HMA VPN You will get amazed and get stealth full account | This is wrong... you need to get Fresh IP not shared with others to properly run a stealth account.
It might work for short term but you will soon run into troubles.
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For the record. I’m not here to start trouble or bash anyone. There are other BETTER options than vpn. That’s all that was said. Let people know that besides shoving a vpn seller on the site down their throats. I know many old members feel the same way I do. Just don’t care enough to comment. Ban me. Doesn’t make a difference. I’m done with this site anyway. Found a better source of Info where people truly help each other without trying to sell them something. Best of luck to all.
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Originally Posted by RustyShackelford Don’t get me wrong. I first stumbled on to aspkin over 12 years ago. I bought the guide twice. Cause I forgot the first user name. It was a long time in between. It thought me some things. Back in the day. Users were much more helpful. I just feel like now it’s a big paid ad. Any question someone asks it’s responded with “buy the guide” “ use ipburger” get a vcc from the marketplace. They don’t provide other options. That’s all. No hate. I respect the site and hustle. Even saijin. But it becoming a paid ad is super annoying. | If you read the forum daily, you'll see that there are a lot of helpful posts.
If a brand new member asks a lot of very basic questions is often replied that those has been answered all over the forum and there is a search engine for that or... the fastest option is to get the guide. Marketplace is the only safe place to buy accounts and services in here.There are a lot more of scammers nowadays than 12 years ago or even 5 years ago when I first jioined.
Options to VCCs are mentioned all over the forum... most gift cards will do the trick for eBay... AMZ it is a much different world and sellers do not want to disclose their source nor want it to be abused.
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Originally Posted by RustyShackelford For the record. I’m not here to start trouble or bash anyone. There are other BETTER options than vpn. That’s all that was said. Let people know that besides shoving a vpn seller on the site down their throats. I know many old members feel the same way I do. Just don’t care enough to comment. Ban me. Doesn’t make a difference. I’m done with this site anyway. Found a better source of Info where people truly help each other without trying to sell them something. Best of luck to all. | Sorry you don't like it here... I still think it is a great community and, guess what.. I am not eraning a dime from the help I give writing in here. |
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Originally Posted by ilcarletto Sorry you don't like it here... I still think it is a great community and, guess what.. I am not eraning a dime from the help I give writing in here. | You may, or may not make. The way ipburger is pushed you can only assume someone’s getting a cut. That’s all I’ll say. I don’t get ish but I do post and try to help members.
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Another thing I’d like to add is I have nothing against ipburger or aspkin I recently pmed him asking why not offer vps service as well as it’s better for some international members who’s firewalls don’t allow vpn. I was even willing to be a test dummy. The whole point of my post is stop making it seem like it’s the only game in town
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Originally Posted by RustyShackelford Another thing I’d like to add is I have nothing against ipburger or aspkin I recently pmed him asking why not offer vps service as well as it’s better for some international members who’s firewalls don’t allow vpn. The whole point of my post is stop making it seem like it’s the only game in town | How would you propose connecting to the VPS (remote workstation)? I'm 99.999% sure your thinking RDP, but give me more info than that. Like which RDP? Does it rely on a 3rd party? If your able to change ports ect...
I'm thinking your not getting the whole picture with how using a VPS works or are missing something. Or I'm missing something... That's definitely a possibility too...
For one thing a VPS with Graphical User Interface and browser takes up a lot more disk space and needs more resources (CPU & RAM). In turn costing more money than a VPS to only run VPN software... But thats besides the point.
Im just curious how to make a RDP connection less detectable than a VPN connection.
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Websites cannot gather your MAC address, unless you'd have some sort of software of their installed on your PC.
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Originally Posted by byte Websites cannot gather your MAC address, unless you'd have some sort of software of their installed on your PC. | Thanks, but you are about a year and a half late lol BTW, I still just tether from my phone. Quicker and easier than reading this thread :-)
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Originally Posted by nate
Im just curious how to make a RDP connection less detectable than a VPN connection. | You can run proxy behind RDP and reach MTU value of 1500 if all set correctly and if your proxy is good. Quote:
Originally Posted by byte Websites cannot gather your MAC address, unless you'd have some sort of software of their installed on your PC. | exactly, just by visiting websites can't get you MAC.
Also it's important to understand some network fundamentals and the role of the MAC vs IP.
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