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Sorry but youre wrong.
The Vaccine is proven to REDUCE the chances of contracting the virus thus stopping its spread. Same as any other vaccine out tehre for any otehr disease. Is it perfect? of course not. No vaccine is 100% effective. But this sure is better than just going about blindly doing nothing about this.
And for selfish young idiots who say "Im young so ill be fine" think about your parents and grandparents who you can infect who will have a far lower chance of surviving this. Think about society in general instead of being egotistical little pricks.

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I'm not jabbed, if that scares you then stay behind the sofa, I certainly wont be changing my lifestyle and don't see why the bedwetters think they have the right to think I should.

Just as an aside, how come it's the bedwetters who seem to know loads of folk who've died yet avoided it themselves and the great unwashed like me only know the odd person who've even had it - and made a full recovery.

Maybe covid targets the mentally frail first?

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Actually I dont need to stay on the sofa and yes if you lived in my area then you can bet your a$$ youd be changing your lifestyle. With the vaccine passport in my area I can go out safely and know that all around me in the restaurant, movie theatre or sports event/concert I go to are also vaccinated. The fact people dont want to get vaccinated has no impact on my life any longer - and good thing too.
Dont want to get it? no problem. At least in my area they cant whine and complain about it and I dont have to suffer their ignorance.
And the fact youre calling the MAJORITY of people names like 'bedwetters' (and its a FACT the majority are vaccinated) just goes to show how ignorant and selfish you are.
Vaccine passports - coming to your area soon (one would hope).

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Right that isn't what the stats show is it. That's just out right scaremongering.

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Is there a % attached to that? Would be interesting to see what it is if there was.

But again the main point I was making is yes it may well reduce the spreading chance but on the other hand causes complications elsewhere. Hence choose your poison.

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From what the stats released say the efficacy of the vaccine drops to anywhere between 40-50% roughly 6 months after the second dose - which is why a third booster shot is being administered. You can google for that information - I believe the vaccine manufacturers as well as the WHO have that information eadily available.
I myself wont be taking the third shot just yet - id rather wait til Pfeizer and Moderna release their updated version - the one targeting the delta variant directly. Should be coming out any week now so its not an issue for me as I got my second dose in mid June.
As for complications - every medication has a chance of causing issues in some individuals. The percentage of such cases is so minuscule it realy boggles the mind how much attention it is getting. Then again a very small very LOUD minority has the tendency to focus on whatever tidbits would further its cause and give some semblance of credibility to their conspiracy theories. That being said I do notice a vast improvement to my 5G reception since getting vaccinated lol.

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Why am I not surprised that you are unvaccinated, perhaps the wise among us see more, as we do more in the community in helping people, whilst the unclean anti vaxxers crouch behind their sofas, being brave cowards from behind a computer and rip off buyers on eBay. You are the bedwetter not the positive responsible people who get the jab, we are not afraid of a little prick of the needle.
People like you are dangerous, spreading untruths about the subject encouraging others to be as stupid and ignorant as you are and spreading the virus. The same people who have children and not give them the shots for measles etc.
Unfortunately we can not do much about people like you, the special ones, the ones who rode the small bus to school as they needed special attention.
Bless your heart!

Just had a thought, how about I meet you at your local hospital and we go to the ICU with the COVID cases and you go chat to these patients without a mask on, ask if they were vaccinated and if not would they have had the vaccine if they knew back then what they know now.
I think you know the answer.

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mass vaccinations will just reduce the amounts of casualties in short term but as a side effect they will make the flu , which is what covid is , return every year

the governments are absolutely fine with that , money to be made with vaccines indefinitely and more restrictions every year , this is certainly a dream come true

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Just think, if society was as dumb 50+ years ago as they are today, polio, measles and mumps would still be running rampant today. I suspect that covid will affect people for years and years to come as the unvaccinated drag it on and on.

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That is a very sensible comment, well done, thank you.

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this is state propaganda. they deliberately don't call it a flu but a virus implying that it is just like measles , ebola etc.

covid19 is a flu and there are no vaccines against a flu , there have never been. it will be returning every year and the longer mass vaccinations take place the more variants and subsequent casualties it will produce

natural selection is the ONLY way out of this , it can only disappear once mass vaccinations completely stop. the alternative will be eternal covid with mass vaccinations indefinitely

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I do not think the side effect is the flu, if fully vaccinated, effects like the flu symptoms will become the norm as herd immunity and vaccinated against it becomes common and the foolish antivaxxers die off (literally die off)

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Yep they are really nothing alike. Afraid it just doesn't apply

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Misunderstood what he has said there

The problem is you cannot be vaccinated against it. You can simply teach the body how to deal with it if it gets caught. That then lowers how server it can be.

So we could all be vaccinated and it can still be passed around.

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you also consider that your risks of suffering long term damage from vaccines will be rising exponentially if you start taking multiple shots of ever new vaccines every year

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someone gives their children experimental vaccines, that the government forces you and is not responsible and tells you that you are irresponsible?

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Please do it !! :cool:

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Exactly. It's not like Ebola has gone airborne. Everything shows this to be a new cold virus. If it was so deadly you would not need a test to know if you have it.
Now they are injecting kids with experimental vaccines to protect Granny. That does not make sense anyway because you can still carry/spread it.
People having your kids vaxxed. How do you know your kids are not going to be infertile ?? Vax companies washed their hands with ALL responsibility.
The powers that be have set the washed against then unwashed. And I feel a lot of it now is the subconscious anger that "I had it so your going to have it too"

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So many conspiracies and so much ignorance/stupidity...
The governments of the world are making money off this - this pandemic that shut down the world's economy for over a year and cost god only know how many trillions of dollars.
And now theyre trying to get our children to be infertile using a useless vaccine to dilute the world's population?
People please. Give it a rest and give me a break. I cant wait for the children's vaccine to be approved and will be first in line to have my girls vaccinated. Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities. I would like to be able to travel the world and to go to movies and ball games with my family and getting vaccinated is the way to get it done and properly so.
Dont want to get vaccinated? dont get it then. Already said it plenty of times. But spreading such nonsensical misinformation as if the vaccine is poison is irresponsible and quite frankly moronic. Show some respect to the vast MAJORITY of people who dont think the way you do and DID decide to get vaccinated. Dont take it if you dont want it - just stay away from me and dont complain about things you cannot do as a result. LOVE my vaccine passport!

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Bill gates, we can lower the population of the planet by 10 to 15 percent with vaccines:

https://rumble.com/ve3n2p-bill-gates...-tedx-tal.html



Bill gates: there are too many humans on earth

Also bill gates: let's vaccinate, we should save humans from dying

https://youtu.be/ozlbeXrb_5A

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lol... Bill and Melinda have saved roughly 120,000,000 children's lives from Malaria and sh1t, over the years. The funny part is that it's mainly with Ivermectin... the very drug that antivaxxers are eating out of tubes to avoid getting the vaccine. I bet ole Bill is chuckling pretty hard at the irony. I know I am!

It's like DOUBLE irony, all in the same scenario. :lol:

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Seem to be missing the key points in this.

1. Assuming everyone against an experimental vaccine is antivax.

2. Some people have been getting very rich during a closed economy this is a fact.

3. There have been some serious side effects and deaths from the vax.

4. This is just a cold at the end of the day. Most people will get sick for a few days an be fine. Why gamble your children's health to go to the cinema.

5. We are supposed to be the free west. Not 1940's Germany with SS officers asking for papers and forced medical procedure's for the right to earn a living over a cold. There are far worse things out there to get you then the sniffles.

6. An let us not forget the death count used to scare people.
It's died WITH it. Not OF it.

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Very good point

Someone not taking the vaccine in this case doesn’t make them an anti vaxxer. Wanting more data before taking an experimental vaccine is honestly a fairly reasonable choice.

The UK will never get ‘vaccine passports’ last time they even suggested it there was a lot of blowback.

Sloker if you are vaccinated and convinced it is the way to go I just don’t understand why it matters if someone who isn’t vaccinated is near you? Because you can catch it from them? Well you can catch it from vaccinated people so it’s a bit of a redundant argument honestly.

Re the side effects - they maybe a small % for extreme cases but so is the number of people that die directly from covid. Not to be confused with the ‘died with’ stats being used. They will be very difference numbers.

Only time will tell how small the serious side effect % remains. My feeling is that as a % is going to grow and become an issue.

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1. Never said that. But many are. I refer to the very loud ones who seem to have nothing better to do other than spew misinformation.
2. Some people ALWAYS get rich no matter what the situation is. Not sure what your point is. Again - the global economy has lost countless trillions so any kind of economy related conspiracy theory is 100% retarded.
3. There can be side effects to ANY vaccine. The percentage and probability of these side effects are astronomically low as to make them a non consideration.
4. It is NOT just a simple cold. It is far more infections and far more lethal - unless you consider 2-3% mortality rate and god know what percentage of long term/permanent after effects an acceptable outcome to this 'simple cold'.
5. We do live in a free country (at least the ones conversing here) and you are free to not take it. Already discussed that to death as well. Dont want it -dont take it. But stop spreading misinformation about it and stop complaining about things you cannot do if the MAJORITY of people who did decide to get vaccinated have enforced measures to protect themselves such as a vaccine passport (as in my area) - as you said free country - DEMOCRACY and MAJORITY RULES. Interesting how that little tidbit always gets lost in the endless tirade about it being a free country.
6. Youd rather the information was NOT made available as to the number of people who died from this virus? thought you wanted full transparency and MORE information - free country and all that. Make up your mind friend.

James at what point will it be enough info? Just curious seeing that these vaccines have been around for about a year now and have proven to drive down infection rates in vaccinated individuals as well as hospitalizations and mortality rates. It is a FACT. Or do you dispute that?
The UK will never get a vaccine passport which is their loss and why at this point the UK is off my travel list. I know - not a big loss but again thats not the big picture. The majority is vaccinated and think the same way as me so look at the aggregate result.
Yes anyone can get this virus - even if vaccinated. BUT - the chances of getting it are much much lower and if vaccinated the chances of then further transmitting it are even lower still. You realy should read the results of the studies done by the companies who developed these vaccines - and for a moment try to think that not every single doctor working at these companies is a nazi prick out to kill the population of the world.
James did you REALY compare the tiny number of people who suffer from side effects to the number of people who have so far died from this pandemic? seriously??? dude you REALY need to do some more reading on this cause youre obviously being fed some very bad information. Those number are not even close. Not anywhere in the vicinity of each other. I cannot stress that enough - that is so false I cant find the words to express myself.
James I consider you an intelligent individual Ive had the pleasure of communicating with on many occasions but on this one I believe you are 100% wrong and what you just stated above - THAT is anti vaxxer propaganda friend. Im sorry if that offends you but that sort of misinformation has no place being uttered. It is nonsense and simply NOT TRUE.

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I think , sloker is mostly concerned because he thinks that the unvaccinated are the cause of new strains which may at some point hit him as well and the vaccine will not help while a total vaccination of everybody would just wipe out the virus completely

in reality it is the other way around , the mass vaccination will lead to the virus producing new strains indefinitely and people like slokor will be taking multiple vaccine shots every year , feeling happy until they or someone they know get hit with side effects

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I do think that fully vaccinating everybody is the best way to fight this pandemic and I wholeheartedly disgaree with your second statement.
And the reason I dont want unvaccinated people around me is the simple fact that they are far more likely to carry it and I dont want to chance getting it even if I am vaccinated (we already discussed to death the fact no vaccine is 100% effective). If a place does NOT have a vaccine passport it means plenty of unvaccinated individuals can congregate there and its enough for a single one of them to have it for it to spread to ALL of the unvaccinated present (as well as to some vaccinated individuals - although at a far far lower ratio).
The bottom line though is that i wont change your mind and you wont change mine. Im thankful to be on the side of the sane majority in this while those who refuse to see the logic of getting vaccinated are the small (but rather loud) minority - that is a FACT - or would you realy try to dispute that and come across as insane?
Those from other countries than my own who are not vaccinated can stay where they are so it realy doesnt bother me. No way for them to travel internationally any longer - no country will allow them in while unvaccinated - again try to dispute that I dare you. And in my own area there are vaccine passports pretty much covering everything so again - Im not worried cause im on the side of the sane majority.
Now just need to find the most vaccinated spot for my next warm island vacation... love being able to travel internationally :)

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Sorry Slokor. I respect you as a veteran member of this forum.
But everything you have said is 100% regurgitated TV propaganda. An we know how honest they are.
The last time people had to show papers on mass like you want it was Hitlers SS officers and Stalins lot. A lot of people died for our freedom. That is not a democracy.

Need to stop being so afraid my friend. Turn the tv off for a while. You cannot get out of life alive. An the average person has a more then 99% chance of surviving it anyway.

You want to get the vaxx it is your choice.
You Don't also your choice.
When you start forcing people to have a medical procedure to be a citizen that is were we have a big problem.

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Agree to disagree then cause I believe everything I say and ive done plenty of research into it. The numbers on this speak for themselves - especially where I live.
And you dropping those dark regimes into this is 100% complete nonsense. The QR code vaccine passport system employed here keeps my information 100% private so no idea where you came up with the BS youre spewing about fascist regimes.
And went over this so many times already... we live in a democracy. The MAJORITY makes the rules. The MAJORITY decided to be sensible about this and get vaccinated. The MAJORITY also decided to employ the means to reduce the spread of this thing by employing vaccine passports and such. Dont want to get vaccinated? then dont - but stop spewing misinformation and dont whine and complain about the things you can no longer do - such as travel to other countries.
Or are you now going to tell me that our democracy is also a sham? may as well take your conspiracy theory to the next level right?

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when are you going to wake up? Here in Spain, they are threatening to leave us without wages if we do not get vaccinated.

This is normal? this is living in a democracy?

Please we need you to turn off the TV and open your eyes, the agenda is moving quickly.

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Boosters in effect coming as well

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Of course I think it is a sham. Did we the people take a vote on medical apartheid ?? Seems more like the few make the rules.

Nothing I have said is misinformation. And I would love to be wrong about the whole thing.
Just a reminder 1930's Germany was a democracy also.

If believing the tv gives you comfort and a sense of safety then I guess in a way I am happy for you.
I choose the cold hard reality every time.
Agree to disagree it is then. You have made your mind up and that is your choice. Just leave the rest of us alone because other peoples fear of a cold does not give you the human right to coerce us into experimental jabs.

An the holiday traveling bribes will not work on me.

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“Whatever the majority of people is doing, under any given circumstances, if you do the exact opposite, you will probably never make another mistake as long as you live.”

Earl Nightingale

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Well if you think democracy is a sham we realy dont have anything to discuss do we? No matter what is said and/or done youll always be under the impression the whole world is out to get you. Classic paranoia syndrome.
Good luck with all that pal :)
And you tell me to leave you alone - did that a long time ago. nobody is coercing you into anything. Get the jab or dont - nobody gives a $hit any longer. The rules about all this are now very clear. The majority has spoken and the various governments of the world (Im guessing not a single democracy in the lot of them) have decided to do things a certain way. Play along or not as I said above nobody realy cares.

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not democracy is a sham but western liberal democracy is because it is not based on democratic principles but on convenience

depending on where the profits are made the majority or the minority will dictate what to do. I think no one can deny that this is a system in which minorities have been forcing their will on the majority for years in various areas

so that it is questionable whether this is a democracy at all

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To give you some perspective about what we're arguing about and some FACTS (I know those facts are generated by governments out to get us all blah blah blah):
I currently live in Ontario Canada. One of the most sane places on earth at the moment which is why I chose it over other spots (such as California).
The population of Ontario is 14.57 million (easily confirmed). The percentage of the population vaccinated with 1 dose stands at to over 78% and over 73% are fully vaccinated. Strict mask mandates are in place - any enclosed area requires it (including schools and such). Vaccine passports are also in effect with QR code verification to protect one's privacy. Want to go to a restaurant, a movie, a concert, a ballgame - must show your passport. Want to fly - show your passport. Again all of this is easily verifiable online in numerous sources so dont take my word for it.
In the last 24 hours Ontario recorded 304 new cases - a steady decline over the last couple of weeks.
Lets compare that to the UK. The UK Population is 67.22 million. Over 72.5% have received the first jab and over 65.5% are fully vaccinated. From what I researched there are no mask mandates in the UK nor are there any vaccine passports in place. People are 'FREE'. From what Im seeing the reported number of cases in the last 24 hours is over 43,700 - that more than 141 time the number in Ontario while the population of the UK is less than 5 times the number. From what is being reported but multiple sources th numbers there are spiking and the hospitals are feeling it. Hard.
Draw your own conclusions from THAT gap friend.
But let me guess all these numbers are being manipulated - by all countries, by all governments, by all agencies around the world with the goal of such a deception being so obscure we will never actually figure it out. If you CAN figure out why that discrepancy in numbers between Ontario (and Canada in general) and the UK is being reported id love to know it. That sort of cooperation to somehow mess with the people in both countries within the larger global framework would be interesting to hear about.
Or maybe, just maybe, youre wrong about things and the policies employed by different places and the numbers reported might hold some truth...? maybe? maybe youre a conspiracy theorist nutjob and needs to lay of whatever it is youre smoking...? Maybe? Just give it a moment and think about the tiny possibility that you might be wrong.

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Ok so its not a real democracy.
Whats your idea then? cause dictatorships are out as well I assume. Right?
How about some anarchy? would that settle your need for 'control' of your life? no?
So what is your brilliant idea for a regime to govern us all?
I love all the criticisms Im getting over EVERYTHING in sight yet not a single solution.

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as far as north america and western europe are concerned the system that was in place 100 years ago would do . it had at least a base to stand on. today's pdeudo liberal , quasi democratic , far leftist system does not have a bright future , considering the demographic development it is unlikely to survive this century

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interesting fact about EU:

it is only white western europeans that actually support this system , there is not a single large group of immigrants and their descendents who actually honestly support it. muslims , africans , eastern europeans , asians - none of them like this system , they just tolerate it

it is anybody's guess what is going to happen once the whites become a minority in about 2-3 generations

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So go back to the democracy from 100 years ago... maybe do some research into Tammany Hall before you say that. The level of corruptions in those regimes was astounding cause there was no way to properly scrutinize them.
Going back to the way things were done 100 years ago would require you to dump the technological advancements of the last 100 years as well. I know you wont agree with that statement but the simple truth of it is the systems from 100 years ago is not compatible with the population numbers today and/or the technological means widely available today.
Try again.

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the level of corruption was always high , it was a system where it was clear who rules the country , it is was a rule by majority even if disliked by minorities

today it is a rule of various minorities forcing their will on the majority

that is the actual difference and it is not related to any kind of technological progress. although most of the technological progress we have today had the foundation in the first half of the 20th century incl computers , phones , nuclear weapons , space flights etc. . All done by people mostly born in the 19th century