vaccine?

[JamesNorth101]

Originally Posted by slokor

Still waiting for your response to the numbers I posted above - the VAST difference between Ontario and the UK.

Your comparing an area with a country.

The UK has a population of around 70,000,000. Ontario has a population of 14,500,000

The UK is 1/4 the size of Ontario but has a population 5 times the size.

That is the same as putting 2 people in a 10 by 10 room and then comparing it with the same size room with 40 people in it and wondering why a virus is spreading more in the room with 40 people in it.

No matter what you do the virus will spread more in the second room. Passports and masks wont stop that nor with everyone in room B being vaccinated.

Population density is and always will be the largest factor when it comes to a virus spreading

Its like comparing an apple to a toothpick.

[slokor]

Originally Posted by DarkKnight17

Enjoy your mental breakdown Slokor.
I do not converse with keyboard warrior nut jobs.
If I wanted a fight I would go to a bar

Free as a bird

PEACE

Like I said - free as a bird within the UK and nowhere else. And it will stay that way for quite some time so best not make any travel plans outside your country.
I myself will be sipping on my drink on the beach next month and again in March. Booked my trips to the Cayman Islands and to Bermuda. But you enjoy the miserable weather over there in the UK pal. no Ibiza vacation for you lol.
As said above - you cant fix stupid. Sad but true.

[slokor]

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

Your comparing an area with a country.

The UK has a population of around 70,000,000. Ontario has a population of 14,500,000

The UK is 1/4 the size of Ontario but has a population 5 times the size.

That is the same as putting 2 people in a 10 by 10 room and then comparing it with the same size room with 40 people in it and wondering why a virus is spreading more in the room with 40 people in it.

No matter what you do the virus will spread more in the second room. Passports and masks wont stop that nor with everyone in room B being vaccinated.

Population density is and always will be the largest factor when it comes to a virus spreading

Its like comparing an apple to a toothpick.

Agree to disagree.
The vast majority of the population in both locations being compared is situated in densely populated areas (example the Greater Toronto Area - has close to 6 million people in it) so your argument is invalid.
Even if it IS slightly relevant (which i dont believe) it does NOT account for that MASSIVE gap in infections per capita which are more than 30(!!!) times the number in the UK than Ontario. Read that again - more than 30 times!!! In plain terms - for each single infection in Ontario per capita - the UK has more than 30 infections!!! you think that FACT is coincidence???
Face it. The facts speak for themselves. Ontario has several factors working for it - namely:
1. a much higher vaccination rate
2. Mask mandates in ALL public and enclosed areas.
3. Ontario has a Vaccine passport system in place.
Slice it and dice it any way you wish the numbers speak for themselves.

[JamesNorth101]

Originally Posted by slokor

Like I said - free as a bird within the UK and nowhere else. And it will stay that way for quite some time so best not make any travel plans outside your country.
I myself will be sipping on my drink on the beach next month and again in March. Booked my trips to the Cayman Islands and to Bermuda. But you enjoy the miserable weather over there in the UK pal. no Ibiza vacation for you lol.
As said above - you cant fix stupid. Sad but true.

We can travel to a lot of places vaccine or not... Ibiza for those who want to go there is easy to get into.

[JamesNorth101]

Originally Posted by slokor

Agree to disagree.
The vast majority of the population in both locations being compared is situated in densely populated areas (example the Greater Toronto Area - has close to 6 million people in it) so your argument is invalid.
Even if it IS slightly relevant (which i dont believe) it does NOT account for that MASSIVE gap in infections per capita which are more than 30(!!!) times the number in the UK than Ontario. Read that again - more than 30 times!!! In plain terms - for each single infection in Ontario per capita - the UK has more than 30 infections!!! you think that FACT is coincidence???
Face it. The facts speak for themselves. Ontario has several factors working for it - namely:
1. a much higher vaccination rate
2. Mask mandates in ALL public and enclosed areas.
3. Ontario has a Vaccine passport system in place.
Slice it and dice it any way you wish the numbers speak for themselves.

You set the parameters comparing Ontario to the UK - I was then pointing out the flaw in the parameters you laid out. Again the ratio is the same as comparing 2 people in a 10x10 room to 40 people in a 10x10 room. It just doesn't work.

If you want to cherry pick a certain city then the same can be done over here as there are certain cities and towns that have very low rates. The UK is also made up of 4 countries. Each of them has a different set of rules. Scotland is very different to England.

1. a much higher vaccination rate

Its double vaccination rate is 6% higher. So yes higher but again you are comparing very very difference population sizes. Scotlands double vaccination rate is higher thank your last time I looked. But again its got a much smaller population (1/3) of Ontario so that is to be expected.

2. Mask mandates in ALL public and enclosed areas.

As they are in parts of the UK. Again 4 different countries with different sets of rules.

3. Ontario has a Vaccine passport system in place.

That's a choice only your country can make if they are willing to give up their personal privacy and freedoms for that. That is what my opinion is on the matter and its neither a wrong or correct opinion simply an opinion.

[yankee]

I am blow away that you guys are arguing with a person who claims to have done extensive research that clearly has not even read on the manufacturers websites what the vaccine intended use is for. He claims to have done so much research and chose one manufacturer over another due to said research for his own vaccination but clear as day on that manufacturers website they state that being vaccinated does not lower your risk of getting the virus at all. That manufacturer also has less than 50% of its competitors supposed Covid like antibodies with less than a 40% rate of estimated effectiveness of lower your chance of death or extreme illness. Pfizer also does not even have an R&D department and does zero research but instead buys research from its competitors that said member said was a bad vaccine in another thread.

So you guys are arguing with someone who is a self appointed expert but truly hasn't even read any of the manufacturers website. Almost every single thing he posts is pure inaccuracy at best. Such a person is not worth arguing with. He is far and away too ignorant to even participate in the conversation at all.

[glacier922]

I saw some reports of deaths, hives, infertility possibilities, im like I'm good, no thanks. Just those reports alone makes me say hell no, and there's even more evidence such as actual deaths, opinions from real doctors, professor of ethics such as the recently suspended head of dept at uc Irvine saying mandates are unethical and possibly unsafe.

I honestly can't believe how a user on here can write so much tbh lol supporting the vaccine. I'm like dude, what credentials do u have? But that's beside the point. It's just the long walls of text I'm more amazed about.

In other news, in and out Burgers is defying govt mandates on checking vaccine imports, go in and out burgers, go go go!

https://youtu.be/CqumUAcrtXE

I'll get 2 double doubles tonight

[slokor]

No more 'text walls'.
To all you anti-vaxxer I have just one word - Whatever.
You have your truth and I have mine. Done trying to convince as it is pointless. You cant fix stupid is the only thing that comes to mind.
Im vaxxed and enjoying my life. Already went over it all and how life in MY region has gone back to normal and am LOVING it.
You folks do you and ill do me.
If youre not vaxxed hope you dont get it so at least try to be smart about it. And if you DO get it at least dont be a$$holes about it and stay isolated until you get over it (hopefully).
Good luck everybody.

[DarkKnight17]

I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section without a health passport.

I want to run through the streets naked with green Jello all over my body without a mask. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, OKAY PAL?

I've seen the future. You know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting in his car alone wearing 2 masks drinking a banana-broccoli shake and singing I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener.

[slokor]

You seriously trying to emulate Dennis Leary? Pathetic.
Let it go man. Discussion over.

[DarkKnight17]

You see, according to said members plan I'm the enemy. Cause I like to think. I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice.

[slokor]

Youre into freedom of stupidity - And thats fully your right.

[JamesNorth101]

Let’s try to avoid all turning into children and name calling boys and girls ��

Heated but gown up debate is always encouraged. Name calling isn’t really needed

[DarkKnight17]

Well said. I much prefer the alien conversations. Much more civilized and enjoyable debate over there.

[yankee]

Anyone following the Pfizer FDA investigation? Or that ALL six people in the USA who mix the vaccine refused to take it or any other vaccine all the way to the point that Pfizer was going to have to cease production until the FEDs made them exempt? My closest friend works in Muskegon making the vaccine and his brother is one of those six people in the USA who mix it. They will never take the vaccine. A couple weeks ago 80% of the work force left. They hired Afghan refugees to take their place with no education or skills in the pharmaceutical industry. It is going to be an interesting few years ahead, that is for sure.

[murdered_by_ebay]

all these investigations don't matter , the pandemic itself is a scam. covid is a flu which will never go away. although it might be deadlier than a usual flu the chances of survival after contraction are still >99.00% so I will take my chances and will stay away from any of those vaccines

[Automasters]

It is a killshot plain and simple. Was ready and patented years before this ⊗⊗⊗⊗ scamdemic appeared. Long term effects are unknown but we already have birth defects beginning in newborns. No thanks

[rsot]

Government of Canada signed contracts with Pfizer for the vaccine until 2023 with option for 2024....

http://www.pfizer.ca/PFIZER-REACHES-...2%E2%80%932023

[DarkKnight17]

Imagine if you will a virus so deadly you have to take a test to know if you have it

[slokor]

Originally Posted by Automasters

It is a killshot plain and simple. Was ready and patented years before this ⊗⊗⊗⊗ scamdemic appeared. Long term effects are unknown but we already have birth defects beginning in newborns. No thanks

Such bull$hit.
Birth defects my a$$ - and youre talking out of yours.
Dont want the vaccine then dont take it - no need to be spreading this nonsensical garbage pal.

[Hank]

Originally Posted by slokor

Such bull$hit.
Birth defects my a$$ - and youre talking out of yours.
Dont want the vaccine then dont take it - no need to be spreading this nonsensical garbage pal.

You're allowed to post nonsensical garbage, why aren't they?

[murdered_by_ebay]

there is garbage on both sides , the vaccines are neither kill shots nor are they a rescue. this virus will stay indefinitely , there will not be herd immunity and 99% of people do not need any vaccines as their only risk is getting standard flu symptoms

the remaining 1% deserves compassion and help but it is not a reason to force the other 99% to take multiple shots every 6 months with unknown consequences