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Abandoning Ebay - Stress Levels not worth it?
 

well, that is not entirely true, but kind of taken down absolutely all my listings, just one small account running, stealth, planning to open up a semi-stealth ( my details, but new address ( business ), IP and number etc. ) and then abandon the last stealth and go "legit" but at an extremely lower pace, mainly just to spam customers within their packages with my own website.

Found that the levels of stress and pain involved with "lost packages" even a lot of them fully tracked, geezas, people claiming not received just to get freebies, people not understanding what they are purchasing and Ebay just taking down listings/accounts ( inviting buyers to open cases and automatically getting their money back ) and PayPal blocking thousands of pounds, but E-bay still wanting their fees is not worth it as it did take a toll on my mental health, during one period, I was having nightmares regards Ebay and Paypal.
Just hoping that in June I will be able to get my hands on the money that has been blocked a few months ago, would make a nice holiday lol.

I was not a big seller, made profit 3500-5000 a month, to be honest, got a job recently, obviously, I am not getting paid 5k lol, but I am still within a professional level, so can't complain.
I am already feeling a lot better, still dealing with queries from the accounts, but the fact that I won't have any NEW ONES, to be honest, has made my days in the last few weeks.


I guess this thread is about how much stress can stealth or not even stealth cause and how did you guys deal with it?

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Amen, thinking of doing the same.

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it can be product-related.

For various and different reasons, some products are virtually hassle free, and some are a nightmare.

I felt the same when I had large or difficult to pack and ship or open to taste and change of mind items, I ditched them, I just now go for almost a passive amazon and ebay income line and like you have other job interests.....I now have so many varied work opportunities coming in that I can pick and choose the best and drop anything that does not work out...

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Good luck to those transitioning off of Net sales

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I deal with it as it pays the bills and buys me cool stuff. I’ve thought about chucking it but I don’t want to work for anyone and I make more money sitting on my butt at home in my pajamas than I ever could at a regular job, this includes high end professionals. Outside of selling my soul and being a hedge funder I’m good with my current situation.

Sure it’s stressful but I can be at home with my cats and watch movies while making my products and managing my shops. For a very laid back introvert I couldn’t really ask for better. You just have to weigh the pros and cons of being at home vs working out in the public.

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I was also extremely worried all the time that police would bang on my door because I used stealth accounts and ebay automatically started approving returns as soon as they got requested for reasons like " I did not like the product" and thinking that those got to whatever address who'd investigate what is going on.

Are you guys not worried about the whole stealth thing?

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I would be worried if I was in UK. And the reason is that UK takes all EB activities EXTREMELY seriously, according to many cases that I came across of.

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Why would police show up at your door for several returns though :shocked: The only case I found so far is for a guy that made millions of selling foo foo clothing and bought some Mercedes, Ferrari and huge house...

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Those are just cases that were publicized, as they involved high amount of sales. They are dozens of other cases related to EB which didn't involve high sales and were still severely prosecuted in the UK. If I were to do EB business in the UK, I would definitely make sure that my merch is 100% legit, otherwise things could get very very nasty.

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If you are this worried about Stealth, I agree....you should stop using stealth, close your doors and put on a tin foil hat.

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I am sure it is not quite OK to impersonate someone who either exists or not to sell stuff, I thought, OK chances are low to anything really happen, but then Ebay started approving returns automatically and issuing labels to the stealth addresses, now if stuff would show up at your door and you'd see it's ebay stuff returned, would you not contact e-bay to try and find out what on earth is happening and why is someone else using your address and who knows what else and what they might be selling that might cause you trouble down the road? Some people might even go to the police.
I was OK with it and not scared UNTIL ebay decided to approve returns instantly.

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Lost 3 accts because a seller here sold me acct with a persons real name, got 3 returns and raised heck with ebay

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Using a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ name online isn't illegal. There's already been cases on this in the US, the one I know right off was the lady who impersonated a girl on Myspace to bully a child which later committed suicide. It was the fact she used the ⊗⊗⊗⊗ profile to harm was the crime, that and the cyber-bullying. People in your offline life can freely give ⊗⊗⊗⊗ numbers, names, etc. In fact, except for filling out official forms, you can go by whatever name you want.

In terms of being online, if you're using ⊗⊗⊗⊗ info to gain something or acting unethically that's the grey area. That's why, despite being ⊗⊗⊗⊗ names, you should pay your fees and the like even if you get banned. Act like you would under your real info and you should never have a concern.

In your case, don't use real addresses of people. It isn't that hard to use a post office box.

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Yes, I've paid all my e-bay fees, even though they suspended my accounts and paypal accounts then limited and I had to scrape for 3k in fees one month =))
I've bought accounts and they all seem to have real people's addresses, might be a requirement here in the UK? The names seemed bogus though, so at least that.
Not that worried about the name, more about the address.

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I think about it all the time, but in my area and with a lack of education or training I would be making a whole lot less money. PLus I have this problem following other peoples schedules. I hate it. I want to wake up when I feel like it and go to sleep when I feel like it, exc. Last year I decided to start working toward a life without relying on online sales, "real estate investments, exc." Those will be stressful too but at least I can get away from my desk.

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Some of the search changes and payment changes coming down the pike may well make selling on EB not worthwhile any more, we'll see.

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Transitioning away from PP might have some good effects as well

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That's what I've been thinking. I've read articles that say eBay isn't happy with PayPal's activities. Didn't eBay own PayPal at one point?

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Well borh of them can stress you the "f" out!!

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Maybe a newbie question, but when EB moves to amazon-like payment system, wouldn't it mean that all stealth accounts are good until SSN is requested?

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I found that spreading my stealth accounts out pretty much removed the stress from ebay/PayPal almost completely.. I no longer wake up worried about any single email about a return, refund, held money, suspended ebay or limited PayPal account.. There is no one ebay account that can hurt me and there is never enough money in any one PayPal account that I can't afford to wait 180 days for if it came to that. It would only represent 10- 20% of my business instead of half or worse everything I have like my pre stealth days when it was just my account and maybe a family members account.
Proper Stealth Spread Out = No Stress IMHO

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using a tax ID number and an LLC is a common practice. I'm sure it will continue.

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AGREED! Years ago I could get instant diarrhea from discovering a single new email title that said "Your PP account has been Limited" when opening my email, and even if it turned out to be only spam, my day was ruined.

Now, even though I have mastered keeping nearly every buyer happy, the worst case scenario (there's always going to be a glitch, or shady buyer, etc ) still won't rattle me, because I have 4 other accounts going and can fix the problem at hand without feeling like I'm trying to unravel a parachute during a free fall.

Spreading sales out is probably one of the single best ways to manage stress, in my opinion also.

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Yes waking up to those emails many years ago used to stab me in the stomach, these days they are an annoyance, but nothing more

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NEVER impersonate another person...ever....
You do not need to.
This is my biggest bug about what some people on forum do....they deserve any consequences they get...

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Then how do you go about creating a stealth account, you always use your own name dob?

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Random name, random address, random date of birth....

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You get the stealth guide +/- read more around the forums :)

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I have read it and a random name, random address and random dob are what I have been doing or the accounts that I have purchased even the genders were all over the place, but that is still pretending to be someone else, I do not get what the difference is or what the user above was trying to suggest.

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Not if that someone else does not exist...if you get the hint

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Honestly, I would totally quit eBay and get a job if eBay only had the potential to make $4000 per month. The reason that I don't is going to add a lot more stress.

Have you considered expanding and hiring employees? I wouldn't want to work on my own making $4,000 per month forever but I sure would make nothing for 5 years to someday make $4,000,000 per month with little to no work.

Maybe continue with your job for now but read the four-hour workweek.

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Choosing the right category, the right products, and knowing the right suppliers IS EVERYTHING in this business..4k is nothing...I turned down 9k a month job for EB. ZERO regrets even if I fail. Pointless to work to make someone rich and then wonder when you're 50 why you are basically broke. It's because you made others rich all your life! Never.

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Well why not both, I have a great job and make 6 figures, do ebay for fun and clear about 6k a month. Cant quit full time job cause I need health insurance. Important when you are an oldie.

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True, you can kinda try to balance both and get best of both worlds with limited outcomes and minimal risks. But what if your job is doing 12-hour shifts in the oil fields in the middle of nowhere? IMHO many successful people who I interviewed believed that it takes FULL COMMITMENT toward a goal in order to achieve it, in this case a personal EB business.

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Well I work 40 hours s werk supervising 6 restaurants but pnlu because I built an award winning team snd they are self sufficient

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I say that's truly awesome! Especially if you can do EB alongside.

For youngsters right out of college like myself most job opportunities are pretty grim. The one I found required a 5-year contact upfront, which means that you're basically their "slave" for that period time and won't be able to leave. The pay is high by national standards and there's no rent/food/transportation expense. But when I realized what the job entailed, I ran for the hills. It would have meant the end of all my EB/AMAZON aspirations for good.

I just realized that I would have never been able to be happy at such job. And that's all that counts. I also didn't date anyone entire college (spent too much time chasing a "worthless" degree) so I am pretty pumped to go out every night once I am done with school for good.

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Perspective. $4000 a month for a single person in most states is a good living. Not maybe New York or San Francisco, but somebody who lives in Charlotte, NC probably lives pretty well on that.

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4k makes u chief of the trailer park :pound:

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It's a question of location, $4k in USA makes you king of the trailer park, whereas in Eastern Europe for example you will be a god :heh:

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