Opinions on my plan

[Retailer77]

My long term goal is to be selling high volume smartphones (excess of $100k/month turnover per account). My ultimate goal being to not get flagged or asked for docs at any point within the lifeline of each account.

Will be purchasing 3 $500 accounts and start selling very low risk items on each of them (crap around the house/ dollar store items etc.)
By the second month I will begin slowly selling phone accessories like usb cables.
By the third month (90 day mark) I will begin S L O W L Y introducing 1-2 phones.
By the fourth month 4-10 phones. ($1-2k value)
By the fifth month 20-30. ($4-5k value)
By the sixth month 50-70. ($7-10k value)
Etc.

[realdeals]

It must be Groundhog day.....again.

Turning over $100k+ a month on 3 accounts each without ever being asked for docs....

Good luck with that one

[Retailer77]

Originally Posted by realdeals

It must be Groundhog day.....again.

Turning over $100k+ a month on 3 accounts each without ever being asked for docs....

Good luck with that one

Most likely not gonna happen right?
Thats what I thought too..

I guess its not even worth it to try stealth in my particular case..sux man

[realdeals]

Originally Posted by Retailer77

Most likely not gonna happen right?
Thats what I thought too..

I guess its not even worth it to try stealth in my particular case..sux man

The point is you HAVE to expect to produce docs at some point in a stealth life.

Even if you sell little crappy $1 or $5 items, if you sell enough then you should expect it to happen.

[JamesNorth101]

For the US you going to need to look at EINs

Getting to 100k a month would be better split over 6/7 accounts and then you can get away without ever getting a doc request

You would then need 6/7 EINs and 6/7 bank account, but that is all perfectly doable

[ilcarletto]

Originally Posted by realdeals

The point is you HAVE to expect to produce docs at some point in a stealth life.

Even if you sell little crappy $1 or $5 items, if you sell enough then you should expect it to happen.

You can avoid it if you have enough accounts and stay below the limits.

[realdeals]

Originally Posted by ilcarletto

You can avoid it if you have enough accounts and stay below the limits.

I didn't say you can't. I said you need to be prepared just in case. As we all know docs can be requested at any point.

[Retailer77]

Has anyone had success with docs getting approved by ebay?

[JamesNorth101]

Its invoices are you most likely to be asked for by PayPal

You can just use your real invoices for that showing the address used for the stealth PayPal

[Retailer77]

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

Its invoices are you most likely to be asked for by PayPal

You can just use your real invoices for that showing the address used for the stealth PayPal

JamesNorth,
I get asked for invoice, utility bill and drivers license from ebay.

[JamesNorth101]

You can get asked for other things yes, but invoices are the most common if the account is run correctly.

An EIN is going to be needed if you do anywhere near that volume (they can request this on actual $$ traded and future projection of $$)

If you get asked for other documents like that then send over someone with a purple name a message and they will be able to guide you

[yankee]

Groundhogs day is right.

Docs are ALWAYS required stealth or not on volume accounts if you dont take years to grow them selling the same exact categories during that time.

You are going to be required by IRS law to provide tax info well before 200-20K for each account.

[Retailer77]

Originally Posted by yankee

Groundhogs day is right.

Docs are ALWAYS required stealth or not on volume accounts if you dont take years to grow them selling the same exact categories during that time.

You are going to be required by IRS law to provide tax info well before 200-20K for each account.

Yankee,
what exactly do you mean when you say:
"if you dont take years to grow them selling the same exact categories during that time"

[yankee]

Originally Posted by Retailer77

Yankee,
what exactly do you mean when you say:
"if you dont take years to grow them selling the same exact categories during that time"

Sell your phones from day one and grow it so slowly that they never request invoices.

Invoice request is almost guaranteed to happen when you sell the safe items and switch to phones. Category changes and price changes from your "normal" sales will trigger docs request from ebay or paypal.

I suggest selling the phones from the begging with a mix of other things if you want an account to not ask for invoices.

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by Retailer77

Yankee,
what exactly do you mean when you say:
"if you dont take years to grow them selling the same exact categories during that time"

To throw the cat amongst the pigeons (because I am out of coffee to drink), you need to consider this....


paypal will ask you for TAX info on the accounts because of projected sales.

[Retailer77]

Originally Posted by yankee

Sell your phones from day one and grow it so slowly that they never request invoices.

Invoice request is almost guaranteed to happen when you sell the safe items and switch to phones. Category changes and price changes from your "normal" sales will trigger docs request from ebay or paypal.

I suggest selling the phones from the begging with a mix of other things if you want an account to not ask for invoices.

Im so confused...everywhere and everything I have read about stealth says to never start off selling phones thats a sure fire way to get the account banned right away??

[yankee]

Originally Posted by Retailer77

Im so confused...everywhere and everything I have read about stealth says to never start off selling phones thats a sure fire way to get the account banned right away??

Phones is one of the hardest things to sell without problems. Sell right away BUT slowly with a mix of other items might work. I can tell you for sure, selling 10-20 things over two months and then mixing in phones will cause a problem. Maybe 120 days later but adding in the most safe phones right away would be my approach.

[dan_ebay]

May aswell get some EINs and give it a go, good luck though lol.
Phones are high risk. Also a issue selling items with such a low profit % on stealth accounts, need huge turnover to make decent money like you said

[Retailer77]

Originally Posted by yankee

Phones is one of the hardest things to sell without problems. Sell right away BUT slowly with a mix of other items might work. I can tell you for sure, selling 10-20 things over two months and then mixing in phones will cause a problem. Maybe 120 days later but adding in the most safe phones right away would be my approach.

So you actually DO recommend starting of selling 1-2 phones immediately with some other similiar items like charges usb cables etc?

You say maybe 120 days later....does that mean selling non related items then after 120 days slowly introducing phones?
If so, which one of these two do you recommend more strongly?
Thanks Yankee

[GreenBean]

Careful about charges usb cables. They can be foo foo.

[yankee]

Originally Posted by Retailer77

So you actually DO recommend starting of selling 1-2 phones immediately with some other similiar items like charges usb cables etc?

You say maybe 120 days later....does that mean selling non related items then after 120 days slowly introducing phones?
If so, which one of these two do you recommend more strongly?
Thanks Yankee

My approach would be to add one in the first month. The LEAST risky model. Add tracking ASAP, wait to get feedback and then add another. The next month of selling step it up if not problems come up.

You might want to try both approaches though.

Selling cheaper and unrelated items and then adding a few phones at say day 60 or even 88 most likely will cause a request for invoices. Especially after September 1st. It really messed me up last fall. I will find a link to the thread.

[yankee]

Here is a thread from last fall. I got my selling privileges back a couple days before Christmas.
http://www.aspkin.com/forums/ebay-di...7-10-days.html