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Feedback Manipulation / Feedback Exchange / Penny Auctions - BAD IDEAS = suspension
 

You know the drill, you get booted, you start over, you want to build a few feedbacks to get yourself up and running.

I'm hearing conflicting stories here on the penny auction thing, so I wanted to start a new thread to discuss it.

A few people claim that the penny auctions with the link to the ebay store "for approval" are no longer allowed, yet I just saw plenty of them on ebay right now (unless they are all fixing to get canned). Secondly, one member was saying that he was getting suspended momentarily after registering and buying penny auctions. I did notice that many penny auctions have an immediate payment required on them, meaning that you will have to link your paypal account to buy them, which ebay will ask you to do in a subtle way, I'm told, and I suspect that could be an issue some people would easily overlook.

So, I guess I'm looking for the truth out there. There are penny auctions still out there that don't require immediate payments that won't require you to link your paypal account to it. So, the question is, has anyone had success by buying those for some quick feedback and not getting banned? What seems to be the best, yet efficient strategy for building up say 10, 20, 30 or so feedback on a new account to get you up and going again and fly under the radar if the penny auctions are too risky? How do y'all pros do it?

My Ebay account was suspended 3 times and everytime I created a new one with totaly new info (didn't have the the aspkin.com in my bookmarks:D )
Everytime when I was a "newbie" with zero feedback I used to buy 6-7 e-books to build up my feedback and be able to have "buy-it-now" option.
I was doing it in one day and never had a problem.

I opened one more ac last week, bought a few 1-cent wallpapers and it is still alive. I opened this ac to have one handy in the case my current ac would get suspended.

I am trying the method of buying cheap stuff with free physical shipping (not digital download). I ended up buying a bunch of stuff under 60 cents (stamps, coins, beads, baseball cards, used books). I think eBooks & wallpapers are targeted by eBay as "fronts" for feedback. I'd stay away from those.

As long as you have the resell rights on the ebook it should be ok..even better if you write the ebook yourself then you basically have the copyright on it..having said that, I'd still go with physical items..stickers, patches, etc...things that you can send via lettermail are good because they're cheap to send, and quick.

to add further, I would stress selling as opposed to buying ebooks and small ticket items for 'Feedback Fluff'..it does take a bit longer, but won't put up the red flag either.

I violated "feedback manipulation" policy. Don't want to get suspended
 

Just wondering if anyone wants to exchange some feedback on ebay and a little shill bidding?....

Need to make forum section for exchanging feedbacks
 

note to the administrator

im telling you people the safest way to exchange feedbacks is from this forum ... email .... hi lets exchange bla bla ... just be smart... if we unite no one can stop us .. but if you continue to try get small chip feedbacks you will fail .. ebay controls ebay .. we have to be in control of feedbacks from some other site... some one make feedback exchange site.. ebay have new program that deals with feedbacks now ..not long ago that was not a problem. but what bay dont realize people can open sites on the site to exchange feedbacks... this is my idea but im very lazy .. i just generate ideas and income he he ;-)

finally one smart person ;-) i want to but now don't use your real email to post on forum.. just open new one just for feed buck exchange email me iknowebay@yahoo.com
i hope they will make the hole section dedicated to feedback exchange

i'll email you later today

yeah but you know how fast ebay would have spies catching people doing that...great idea on paper but hard to know who is who online.

very true.....

by the time ebay will send spies we will make a fortune .. and there will be moore and more forums opening with feedback exchanges and it will go beyond ebays control ... because the suspend so many people is war people are just getting redy for war. i heard they suspended 4000 people a couple of days ago from UK... just a month ago i culd not find so many suspended people on google who complaining about suspension and so many new forums and staff

Maybe not for your product but for some products is hard to begin without feedback. Im not talking about 100 im saying 5-10fedbucks to post on top or buy it now ..i personally get feedbacks only in 1-2weeks and that is too long ...
not to be able to post on top..

ebay doesn't has tme to deal with this

I violated "feedback manipulation" policy. Don't want to get suspended
 

I was thinking as I wrote something in another thread and say you make a new account, what items are easy to sell that you can get feedback to build stuff up on that won't get you suspended for selling them?

Read this Jonas...http://www.aspkin.com/forums/ebay-su...e-formula.html

Basically there is no way to get easy feedback.

I simply started selling my product with no BIN option for a week or two. I don't think there is any quick way to get around legitimate FB w/o risking suspension.

I would say buy a couple of things, and sell a couple, then do the same thing. Speeds things up a bit

What I do is start off buying shipping supplies (Heck you will need them later when you sell). You can also list "household items" to get you going.

Here is another thing I do to start an account off with selling. Join columbia house right now you can get 5 dvds for .49 cents each. Get the new releases, when you get them watch them if you want or burn them for later. Then list them on ebay using ebays prefilled system (no hosting on your part) and they should sell. The newer releases will generally get you around 5-10 bucks depending so you get your money back and some feedback. Use the profits to buy the dvds to fulfill your contract with columbia then cancel the account with columbia. They will send you a mailer asking you to come back with a deal of 7 dvds free shippping and a smaller contract to buy. Just repeat the process.

Oh, Another key is slowly build up to the higher dollar item to sell. Ebay has taken an aggressive approach to sellers that come out selling high dollar items even DVD box sets. They now it seems set limits to how many you can list within a 7 day period. Don't push the limits the goal is to stay low key and grow in the beginning.

I disagree. that doesn't work , because Ebay knows that is what most scam artist do. They start slowly selling cheap items, then they will sell a few high price items then bail out not sending out anything.

Start out selling about 15 items at first. Sell the same items from the begining that you want to sell them move up to about 50 items a day. But I wouldn't go past 50 unless your paypal is linked and you have god feedback.

FEEBAY: What exactly do you mean by this?

People unite .We need feedback Exchange Forum...
 

feedback is the biggest problem. ebay program will suspend you if you buy cheap feedbacks. Ebay will win if people wont unite and make forums with feedback exchanges. The only way to cheat ebay with feedbacks is to make feedback exchange forum where people will exchange feedbacks . Dont listen to people who say you dont need it. It is only way if you want to make $.
eBay will be hopeless if people will come together.

Who can make this forum ? Any one ?

I was actually thinking about this my self, but it could actually cause more harm then good. What do you guys think?

I've got this idea. Anyone who wants to exchange feedbacks should post a link to their auction on this forum. And he should put some sort of code word on the bottom of his auction, to prove that it's him. Such as "Thank you" on the bottom, in red. That would mean that this auction is for feedback exchange, and no need to pay after winning. I think it could do more good than harm. This way people will unite without eBay knowing... because the auctions will be for real items, not for suspicious penny auctions. And even if someone will complain to eBay, there will be nothing illegal about it. Because the word we'll choose will be just a regular word in the auction page. There will be an agreed upon wait time after the auction ends, to make it all appear legit. This forum is visited by many people with many accounts..... We might as well try it, and if it works, it works.

Even if people turn us in, what proof would eBay have for taking you off? eBay has strict rules and guidelines which it follows. Seeing someone's link on a forum such as this does not fall under any of their rules. Anyone could post a link to their competition's auctions, and then turn them in. That doesn't mean the competition will be suspended. There isn't any concrete evidence for eBay to grab onto. It's out of eBay jurisdiction, because it's not happening on eBay's website. It's the same as turning in this entire forum to eBay, and they take it down. It's just not going to happen. Because eBay does not rule the entire internet. They only control ebay.com and paypal.com

The same way we protect our identity, such as our email address or user ids we can't just post information about our self that may give us away in the forums. EBay has been known to be crafty when figuring things out about a person. Google search can find anything about a person. Another way would be to use PM's to do it. Having a forum, where people can talk about feedback exchanges and giving final details in PM's might work. This can however still cause a security risk to your account and overall may not help in the long run. I'm still open to it, but let's continue talking about it. We need Pro's and Con's.

There are penny auctions out there. They're out in the open. Yet everybody knows what they really are: solicitation of feedbacks. I'm trying to avoid PMs; they just makes things more complicated. My suggestion is to just post links to your auctions. Don't say that the forum is for feedback exchange. Instead make it appear to be various links to nice items on ebay; as if you're advertising nice products and drawing in buyers. But in reality it will be to exchange feedbacks. The key thing would be to have a keyword inside the auctions so people would know it's for feedback exchange. eBay can't take off auctions just because they have a commonly-used word in the text. Like "thank you"; only in a specific spot and specific format (for example, on the bottom, highlighted in red).
The penny auction sellers have thousands of feedbacks. So I don't see why we can't do it our way. The point is to get it out on the open; with bunch of links. And then whoever is interested, can just go and bid. And not PMs; which just slows everything down and makes it complicated. Make it out in the open, just like penny auctions. Only they wouldn't be pennies, they'd be legitimate items.

I will post link to my actions soon ... bid anyone who wants to get feedbacks
1 -2 Days after the action ends you will live me feedback and i will do the same just like when you buy 1 p actions.
eBay system will not see this as suspicions activity like cheap feedbacks. You are buying good expansive product. (my products are 200-$300)
This is my test account so i don’t care what happens to it. Let’s see if that will work. If it works then feedback problem solved..
Come on people don’t be afraid to create 1 test account for this purpose if it get suspended who cares you will create one more..
Remember never use your real identity.. ha

I violated "feedback manipulation" policy. Don't want to get suspended
 

As we all know ebay have new program that will suspend you if you buy cheap feedbacks . That way you cant do buy it now or post things in featured category to have better sales and buyers less likely to bid on your products. Remember Ebay controls things on ebay but not on hole internet . what ebay is doing is wrong. This feed back system is wrong. Most people with 1000s feedbacks are scammers .

i have come to the solution of this huge problem. I want a forum where each individual with eBay account will post link to his or hers actions. Inside the action they will specify what feedback they want and in how many days. Remember don’t leave feedback write away as it suspicious. I have tested this system on many ebay accounts so far and it works.
The key for success is you have to put codeword in red on the bottom of ebay your actions. That is how everyone on this forum will know is for feedback exchange. don’t out bead each other. Even is someone will report you to eBay for this eBay will have no proof because all code words inside the actions are different. So no one be able to torch you. EBay is huge company and they are following their rools and eBay would never thought that any one will do this. Remember you don’t have to be afraid of anything. This is just like biding 1pany feedbacks only this works. Trade links , sell your products and be happy. Only together we can be powerful . EBay don’t want you to unite. eBay want to keep you separate.
I have the forum script and willing to run it with some one. I don’t have lots of time that is why I need help to run this feedback exchange forum. Lets do something people… I have told this to admin but he is not really doing anything regards this huge problem. If any one have any comments or suggestions please say you opinion.

1000s of people visit this forum. open feedback exchange and you will see how many people will be willing to exchange feedbacks.. I bet it will be huge number.

STOP_eBay_Monopoly
 

i have so many emails like this from different forums

STOP_eBay_Monopoly
Hi. I just read your post about feedback, and I totally agree. It seems to me that with all of the folks here all in the same situation, we should somehow be able to organize some type of support system in terms of buying/bidding to help each other with building feedback on our new accounts; and DISCREETLY, of course. Maybe we can get something together? Maybe even an exclusive group on yahoo or something? please --- if interested email me!

I'm not sure this will work well. If you start posting links to your auctions, and eBay starts visiting this forum, they can track you down and suspend you easy. The only way I see this working is if you use PM's to do your business. I'll follow up with this thread later. What does everyone else thinks?

i don't think ebay will go to the trouble of investigating 100s of stuped posts to the links on some forum. They dont iven care if you sell 1pany actions. They know what 1p actions are for. Ebay is so big and is out of control.
I currently have 15 eBay accounts and we all know here how to not get suspended. I don't see the reason why we should hide with PM's.

I think it's a good idea but I do agree that we should show some caution. We don't have to use links.

Anyone else want an feedback exchange forum?

penny auctions still work. Just make sure the listing is private as then it doesn't show what it is in your profile.

eBay is suspending accounts I found merely because they are new.

please tell us exactly what you do.
If i would wate 1 week and then started to buy privet penny actions. Then do i have to w till they live feedbacks? Or just start posting feature plus?

you bought only 5 then waited 2 weeks? Thats a big minus for me. i need feedbacks qick.
Here is some info that have been posted once on this forum but i need to conform this info...if any one wants to test this info please contact me. here it is ...


Hey,
I know that everyone hates "buying" feedback and says it will get you suspended, but so far, i have created 3 accounts just buying .99 cent ebooks untill i get to around 10+ feedback, and they all have been alive for over 2 weeks. Also, i begin listing right away, about 5 items that are over $100. Maybe im lucky, but i hope my luck continues.... *knocks on wood*
CPUGEEK - I waited 5 days, bought around 15 .99 cent ebooks, left feedback, got feedback to over 10. Then i started listing my items right away

Jack- Yes, i list those items as buy it now for over $100.

Okay so what your saying is that you will let your account sit 5 days then buy 15 items or you buy the items through out the 5 days???

Yes, i let it sit for 5 days, then buy all the ebooks, and then start listing. as simple as that.

The problem is that you get a bunch of feedback from buying and then the buyer clicks your profile and it's blank because ebay makes it go to see only the feedback you got from selling.