Corona Virus

james13v · #**573** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by phaz0rz

EDIT: Also, China claims that covid is in fact capable of aerosol transmission, which would mean it is airborne. https://archive.is/AOka6

The weight of the evidence suggests that the new coronavirus can exist as an aerosol — a physics term meaning a liquid or solid (the virus) suspended in a gas (like air) — only under very limited conditions, and that this transmission route is not driving the pandemic. But “limited” conditions does not mean “no” conditions, underlining the need for health care workers to have high levels of personal protection, especially when doing procedures such as intubation that have the greatest chance of creating coronavirus aerosols. “I think the answer will be, aerosolization occurs rarely but not never,” said microbiologist and physician Stanley Perlman of the University of Iowa. “You have to distinguish between what’s possible and what’s actually happening.”

And for something to be aerosol, it has to remain in the area for a couple hours. Like fog. There are strong reasons to doubt the new virus has anything close to that capability. If it did, we'd be seeing much greater levels of transmissions.

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According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, that is not happening. Earlier this month, CDC scientists reported that the rate of symptomatic infection among a patient’s household members was 10.5%. The rate among other close contacts was 0.45%. In the case of one particular patient, none of his five household members, although continuously exposed to the patient during the time he was isolated at home, tested positive for the virus.

JamesNorth101 · #**574** 03-17-2020

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Those silly colonists. What do they think it's going to help, for them to stock pile all those guns? It's not like they have anything to worry about, and even if they did, it's not like they could stand up to our army anyways.

I think it had a little more to do with the French and Spanish but lets that is an argument for another day.

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Originally Posted by phaz0rz

You just aren't allowed to do it. :P

We can buy guns over here - its just culturally very different and not something may people do. Its a large part of many Americans national identity, so the more guns someone has the more American and patriotic they are. Its also a way to prove a point to the liberals that want to reduce the right to bare arms and a very effective way of further expressing an individuals independence from state. Added to that is makes people feel safe, a lot like wearing a mask does, regardless of any actual benefit and that effect in itself leads to more calm and level thinking which actually does have a real benefit. Before there is hate..... just to make clear there is absolutely nothing wrong with buying guns if that is how people choose to express themselves and give themselves a sense of security. We have the same relationship with tea

ebaystealth1974 · #**575** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by Ebayorbust

It's about as useful as stockpiling guns

Watch your mouth...

ebaystealth1974 · #**576** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by phaz0rz

I still think it's naive to say it has no benefit at all. The one country that claims to have covid under control (China) had everybody wearing masks.

It definitely isn't going to hurt anything to wear one.

ebaystealth1974 · #**577** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by phaz0rz

China is pumping out hundreds of thousands of masks per day now. There probably is enough to go around.

They're currently making 200 million masks per day.

yankee · #**578** 03-17-2020

I have left my winter home and Busting ass back to the least populated state in the nation. Already making plans to take a big step back and semi homestead. Wild world we live in!

james13v · #**579** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by ebaystealth1974

They're currently making 200 million masks per day.

That's STILL not enough to even meet their local demand, let along global orders, and that's already with factories running at 110% capacity. And of that 200,000,000 only 600,000 are the types used by medical personnel. Guess which ones people were buying up? Now, there is a global shortage of the fabric used to make the masks. The machines to make it will take 6 months, and another month before they are ready to go. The price of everything involved, is also going up. The material now costs 10 times as much

Assuming the supply of fabric remained the same, it would take over a month to produce enough for everyone, to have just ONE.

ebaystealth1974 · #**580** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by yankee

I have left my winter home and Busting ass back to the least populated state in the nation. Already making plans to take a big step back and semi homestead. Wild world we live in!

Just spoke with my brother. They're camped at Key West until the 25th, and is wondering if he should go back to WV or stay there on the Navy Base at Key West.

ebaystealth1974 · #**581** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by james13v

That's STILL not enough to even meet their local demand, let along global orders
Assuming the supply of fabric remained the same, it would take over a month to produce enough for everyone, to have just ONE.

I usually agree with most that you say, but I have to wonder about your math abilities with this post. lol

7 days gets every person in China a mask. And not every person in the world is going to want or need one.

Production has ramped up 20x since last month, don't be so naive to think it won't keep multiplying.

Regarding the rest of your post, looks like a few hints on what stocks to invest in.

ebaystealth1974 · #**582** 03-17-2020

First confirmed case in my town. A damn doctor!

They are reaching out to his patients, and trying to see where he got it from.

ebaystealth1974 · #**583** 03-17-2020

8000+ tests done yesterday in the US. Glad to know it's finally ramping up!

Dufus · #**584** 03-17-2020

Good news that usps will continue working.
https://about.usps.com/newsroom/stat...oronavirus.htm

james13v · #**585** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by ebaystealth1974

I usually agree with most that you say, but I have to wonder about your math abilities with this post. lol

7 days gets every person in China a mask. And not every person in the world is going to want or need one.

Production has ramped up 20x since last month, don't be so naive to think it won't keep multiplying.

Regarding the rest of your post, looks like a few hints on what stocks to invest in.

If the masks were unlimited use, sure. As they are produced and distributed, they are also used up and discharged. Especially with medical professionals, probably going through a dozen a day.

how do we know which person in the world needs one? We can't predict who'd get sick. Young healthy people might be sick and never know it. Doesn't hurt them, but hurts others around them.

But again, while production has ramped up 20X, it's not something that can keep increasing, if it can even be sustained at that pace, for the reasons I mentioned. It literally CAN'T keep multiplying. I'm not sure how long it can keep up this current pace to be honest.

They are running out of the material to make the masks, and you can't just increase production of that. It will take MONTHS to setup manufacturing before production increases. Making masks is actually a very complicated process. It might look easy, but it's not. We are talking about a product that can keep out something as small as a virus...

james13v · #**586** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by ebaystealth1974

First confirmed case in my town. A damn doctor!

They are reaching out to his patients, and trying to see where he got it from.

my area has had quite a few.... even people my age. Good thing I'm a bit of a recluse and don't have many friends anymore lol. Since the, umm, election...

I doubt I'll personally know someone that dies, or maybe even get sick (with knowledge they are sick). Tho my best friends sister in laws uncle just died?

Pandoras_box · #**587** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by james13v

my area has had quite a few.... even people my age. Good thing I'm a bit of a recluse and don't have many friends anymore lol. Since the, umm, election...

So you wear a red hat.

I always thought it was green but I'll concede I'm color blind.

james13v · #**588** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by Pandoras_box

So you wear a red hat.

I always thought it was green but I'll concede I'm color blind.

I didn't vote for him. But god forbid I defended the guy. Now i'm a monster, racist, bigoted neo nazi. So if that's the hat they say I wear, I might as well get it sized to fit comfortably. I'm always on the side of the unpopular opinion lol

Stop Making Me Defend Donald Trump! \| We The Internet TV - YouTube

ebaystealth1974 · #**589** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by james13v

If the masks were unlimited use, sure. As they are produced and distributed, they are also used up and discharged. Especially with medical professionals, probably going through a dozen a day.

how do we know which person in the world needs one? We can't predict who'd get sick. Young healthy people might be sick and never know it. Doesn't hurt them, but hurts others around them.

But again, while production has ramped up 20X, it's not something that can keep increasing, if it can even be sustained at that pace, for the reasons I mentioned. It literally CAN'T keep multiplying. I'm not sure how long it can keep up this current pace to be honest.

They are running out of the material to make the masks, and you can't just increase production of that. It will take MONTHS to setup manufacturing before production increases. Making masks is actually a very complicated process. It might look easy, but it's not. We are talking about a product that can keep out something as small as a virus...

You have good points.

Far right republicans who think this is a hoax don't want a mask.
Homeless don't want a mask.
The poor probably aren't very concerned with a mask
I don't want one(as of right now) because I'm just staying away from people.

I'd say 25% of Americans, or less, will want a mask. Just a guess... who knows.

james13v · #**590** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by ebaystealth1974

You have good points.

Far right republicans who think this is a hoax don't want a mask.
Homeless don't want a mask.
The poor probably aren't very concerned with a mask
I don't want one(as of right now) because I'm just staying away from people.

I'd say 25% of Americans, or less, will want a mask. Just a guess... who knows.

Most of my family would probably be considered far right republicans. And trust me, they think this can be serious. The hoax claim was specifically about what they were saying about trump and his handling of it and everything they said to make him look bad. Trump was already calling for border closings and was pissed off the plane with sick people was let in, and etc etc, long before anyone heard the word "hoax".

Pandoras_box · #**591** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by ebaystealth1974

Watch your mouth...

Or what? Don't go shooting up a school cos someone almost toyed with your gun.

Just kidding.

Pandoras_box · #**592** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by james13v

I didn't vote for him. But god forbid I defended the guy. Now i'm a monster, racist, bigoted neo nazi. So if that's the hat they say I wear, I might as well get it sized to fit comfortably. I'm always on the side of the unpopular opinion lol

Stop Making Me Defend Donald Trump! | We The Internet TV - YouTube

Although I'm completely devoid of interest in politics of any kind, I have a particular affinity for him.

Two other things: He comes off as someone who loves his country, and the man has the right amount of fight in him.

ebaystealth1974 · #**593** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by james13v

Most of my family would probably be considered far right republicans. And trust me, they think this can be serious. The hoax claim was specifically about what they were saying about trump and his handling of it and everything they said to make him look bad. Trump was already calling for border closings and was pissed off the plane with sick people was let in, and etc etc, long before anyone heard the word "hoax".

No, I know people who thing this is just a reach for control, and people really aren't sick, and there's no need for any worry.

I guess my people are to the right of your people.

ebaystealth1974 · #**594** 03-17-2020

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Originally Posted by Pandoras_box

Or what? Don't go shooting up a school cos someone almost toyed with your gun.

[IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/1rv5za.jpg[IMG]

Just kidding.

Maybe all of that is funny in the UK?

Lost in "translation", I suppose.