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Most likely. If anyone's to blame it would make the most sense for it to be them.

I recommend reading that paper I posted on the last page if you want to understand what has me thinking along those lines (if you can spare ~20 minutes). China is a huge threat to America's status as the sole superpower, and this was/would have been a way to slow them down with plausible deniability. Which would explain the nonstop conspiracy theories RE origin since December.

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I said on like page 4 this sounds like something the US would do, but still, :juggle:

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Like x 1 million.

Confucius say "If you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room." :laugh:

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Eggs are not in short supply everywhere.... most just cities. Soon there will be more eggs than America can possible eat. The eggs being sold now were laid 90+ days ago

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Confucius say a lot of things on google so, I don't doubt it. :rolleyes:

You have a point there. Survival of the fittest, aye?

I don't think I could ever get my father into a home. He'd tear the place down before that would happen.

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Fantasy world :)

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H4ck = Jigglypuff :noidea:

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From now on,i am your super fans now

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no actually. Eggs are becoming a problem. The prices will be 40% higher soon. Especially anything that isn't just the **** factory farmed store brand eggs. Orders to wholesalers is up 200-600% right now. We will see what happens going on in the future. We will see how many farms make it through this.

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If anyone is to blame, most likely it would be China ****ing things up and letting it get out of control. Occams razor. one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed. The least amount of assumptions, points to China doing this by accident. Next would be on purpose but it got out of hand. Next would be on purpose and just how it was planned. The US doing this on purpose is way down the list, as that requires quite a lot of assumptions.

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With an understanding of how US intel operates it seems like a logical conclusion, is all I was saying.

It doesn't make sense that China would do it to themselves, purposely or accidentally. You have to assume that the Chinese are stupid and carelessly let a virus out into the open while in a rush to get off work for CNY, for that to make sense. Highly improbable, IMO. They aren't as primitive as they're being made out to be.. or else they wouldn't be researching biological agents in the first place.

It's the perfect crime, if it was done by us. Nonstop deflecting since December by the US makes it seem to me like we were responsible.

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Wasn't gonna. You spend too much time in there you go brain dead and develop Alzheimer's.

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you look way too highly on China lol. Mistakes happen. Law of unintended consequences show this. countless times throughout history. Even when you do things exactly as you planned, things happen.

The endangered species act was meant to save species discovered on peoples land. Meant to save animals. Instead it Created the phrase “Shoot, Shovel, and Shut Up” lol

Preventing forest fires. We've prevented them so much, that we forgot we actually need them. And like magic, we now have megafires.

Hell, than you have China, and Mao in 1960, with a goal of transforming China into an industrial powerhouse. Decided they needed to eradicate species that were deemed unwanted pests. Such as flies and mosquitoes and small birds. So they started by killing off all the sparrows, because they ate seeds that humans could eat. Woops, sparrows eat bugs lol. 20 million people starved to death because of something that seemed to make sense.

So really, lets not pretend that China couldn't have done this on purpose, let alone on accident. I doubt they thought this would happen.

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With 14 posts, you only have to pollute the forum with this rubbish 11 more times. :lol:

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I have a lot of friends in small farming. Most have ranches less than 10,000 acres with many being less than 3000. Farming income is being wiped out at the moment. 600 pound steers are selling at record lows with average market-price $150 less each than a year ago. Bushel corn prices dropping with oil because of the decrease in ethanol production. China is not producing so sorghum is selling at massive losses. But eggs.... those are cyclical by nature and somewhat of a byproduct. We can grow more eggs than america can possibly eat IF there is a profitable market for it BUT...it is not an instant process

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I wonder why they waited a month lol and looks like they just got their 25 posts. What does 25 posts do again?

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chinese people depending on CCP?Do you really know them?Hell no.:eek:

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Right, China recently opened free markets to the people so the people can fend for themselves more. Everyone is dependent on their government in some form or another, unless you're a special case and so far removed from society and self-sufficient that it doesn't matter what happens, anywhere. Talking 0 tech. Using only the materials immediately available to you in your environment.

If we f***ed up over a virus, we wouldn't wait to tell. How many flights out of the country before the CCP finally came forth.

All on the same planet so not sure why it isn't possible to see that. Also considering we don't have a giant firewall around our country and have freedom of the press, or rather information, I'd say we have a decent idea.

From the perspective of the CCP, they certainly feel that way about the people. Like an unnecessary big brother that won't let you forget 'they know best' and can't just f***ing let go and move on because their pride and ego is too thick. Xi's little honey-bees.

Y'know it's quite literally the definition of psychotic for a government to say Tienanmen Square never happened?

3000 years of history? Well, EGYPT IS 8000!

Y'know what, I don't know, because in US we don't filter what we do and don't want the world to know. Just flip on the tele and you've got 20 different opinions on any matter, and anybody can watch it. It is a mess of in-fights and interest groups here.

And if it were to have originated here, or any place with freedoms, I can almost bet you the whole planet wouldn't be infected.

End CCP rant. I had Chinese and Korean friends. Great people. Chinese gov sucks major dingus. I'd love a revolution and for CCP justice.

If this is a course of nature, it is the best course that could have possibly happened because it is waking countries up again as to where CCP's alliances really are, and how they see the rest of the world. The timing is like 9/11, "China 2020 economic doubling," so conspiracy or not, this virus is better to have happened now than later.

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They're hoarding gold, and working at flipping the dominant world currency to the Yuan, as well.

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http://www.mobygames.com/images/shot...t-swimming.gif

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the current important thing is fighting against the virus together,once the virus spread,no body can avoid in the planet.

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One of the Koreans did not like Americans. Came here for the education only but wanted to stay after, so idk.

Supplies shipped to S Korea, Iran, teams to Italy, all interest countries.

1000 masks to NY is keeping global face. Trump and masses wouldn't get it.

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So far it seems like the average infection rate is 15%. So " no body can avoid it" is a bit off. It's already everywhere, so no one is going to be able to avoid it.

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I live in one of the biggest ag producing counties in the US. Employees are testing positive at the processing plants. Just a reminder to wash your vegetables if your not. That meat processing plant and and all food related businesses are are considered essential.
I don't know anymore. Maybe we should just let people have all the info that's out there and let people do what they are gonna do.
Sales are great for liquor, weed delivery, and the gun stores that are still allowed to be open.

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Same as I do.

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Quite a few of us donate blood regularly - I know you like to rile things up but best not to go into this health domain :)

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I guess they'd close due to the virus lasting longer in raw meat? Rest of food supply should be okay overall. News never reports any counter evidence otherwise viewers would relax and stop watching.

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Lol, some are having a good time outside in their yards. You'd think nothing has changed except people are just home more.

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Decreasing not by much

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All relatively speaking, sadly.

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I have been since this started and bottled water and pain killers and i have a good seed bank in my fridge.

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GOOD.

I think the logic of the situation can be framed reasonably simply as follows:

1) Given sufficient healthcare capacity the same number of people, roughly, will die if this quarantine ends tomorrow versus if it ends a year from now. Again, sufficient healthcare capacity is the key here. Before anyone jumps on me.

1a) Ventilators are no longer a limiting factor, and we have the highest bed capacity per capita of any country in the world. And hospitals are literally firing staff because there is nothing to do. My Florida governor wants to open things back up, and one of the issues was our healthcare system being destroyed along with everything else, because staff are being fired left and right.

2) A vaccine is unlikely for at least a year, and to develop one at all historically new technology will need to be invented. It amounts to either a cure of, or vaccine for, the common cold, which has never yet been produced despite much effort. The shortest time it has ever taken to produce an effective and safe vaccine was three years, and some take more than twenty years. Putting our eggs in that basket amounts to whimsy and foolishness, although efforts should not be abandoned.

We have, however, established reasonably good protocols with Zithromax, zinc, and hydroxychloroquine. We are unlikely to do better no matter how long we wait.

3) Each and every day this coerced labor lockout continues, the cost in human lives RISES.

There is an immediate cost, in terms of people putting bullets in their brains, driving drunk into trees, and shooting heroin in their veins and never waking up, which would not have happened had these people not been pushed over the edge by government policy.

And there is a longer term cost, in lives lost due to stress. A mere 1% increase in long term unemployment--and I think most observers think the number will be higher than that for a while--causes an overall national increase in mortality from all causes of about 40,000 lives.

4) the logic, therefore, that we are KILLING more and more people, that we are costing more and more lives, each and every day this labor lockout continues is, to my mind, compelling and irrefutable.

These policies are CAUSING death, not preventing it. And they are causing MISERY too, among all those who cannot pay their bills, and will get no money from the government, or not enough, or not soon enough.

5) We are closing our eyes, and thinking if we don't see it, it won't hurt us. It's here, and it's out there. Locking people away only delays the inevitable, and it's only viable when hospital capacity can't handle the strain. It's not long term thinking. It's short term.

The sticking point for most seems to be delusional thinking stuck in the Bargaining phase of grief. They want there to be another answer, where a good number of good people do not die.

There is no such answer. It is not forthcoming. There will be no miracle. We are here on Earth, and on Earth magical thinking does not equate to actual results. And all of us die. This is how the system works. I didn't create it, I am merely recording its operation accurately.

The HUMANE response, then--the ONLY humane response--is to begin opening the national economy up immediately. Anyone who wants to hedge their bets, and phase it, I will support, since that is better than nothing. But the long term effect--the number of deaths from this terrible disease--will be about the same, so my vote is full opening tomorrow.

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Government can do what they please me and my loved one's are not in a big rush to go out and play russian roulette with our lives in for the long haul.Wait an see were this goes that's my play.

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Getting some help from the government? You mean tax payer money, that your grand kids will be paying off. We want to work. People want to work. Not to get hand outs from the government. I am not exaggerating the human aspect of this crisis. This will destroy small business. This will fundamentally change quite a lot of things. Hell, government just ran out of money for small businesses today... GONE. Done.

What a moronic comment to tell me to go to Venezuela, because I want LESS government interference. NO, it's not ****ing good enough to have all those things. No one asked for those things. we want jobs, not free money. It's insane that people are now protesting, because they want jobs, when before people were protesting because they didn't want jobs.

How do you not understand how bad this is for people? We are being put completely at the mercy of the government, and we aren't even allowed to fight it. You know this is America right? This is the wrong country to lock down and take rights away from.

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way to go, strawmanning and slippery sloping me.

How about actually reading my post and responding to what you feel is the problem. I addressed most of it.

You act like we are all children. Let us decide if we think we are special? Again, there is no vaccine. There is no cure. We can not just be locked up for a year. People will get sick. Either now, or a year from now. This virus isn't magically going to go away any time soon. It exists and will continue to do so. It's already everywhere. You won't get it now, but you will probably get it later. You aren't some how going to be extra special a year from now, and not get it, because you hid away from the virus today.

I'm done. you clearly didn't bother reading my post at all.