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Originally Posted by ukjay (Post 1085893)

Government can do what they please me and my loved one's are not in a big rush to go out and play russian roulette with our lives in for the long haul.Wait an see were this goes that's my play.

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1085897)

If this was anywhere near the chances of Russian roulette. fine. It's not tho. That phrase is used for things that are fairly likely to happen. This is not one of them. You risk life any time you leave the house. Things that are more likely to kill you, than this virus, yet we don't shut down the entire world because of them.


How much of a long haul are you prepared for exactly? Until when? What will signal the right time for you to decide it's time to go out?

Originally Posted by ukjay (Post 1085901)

Look i will do things my way you your's. As for this not being one of the time's ok then m8.Why has the world been shut down over this are you saying you no more than the government's and science don't think so.And when the is a lot more testing been done and the numbers come right down then is a good time to think about getting out.

Originally Posted by kinsey (Post 1085906)

I really think there are alot of people out there enjoying there vacation. They don't want to go back to work. The stigma of food stamps and other government aid programs does not seem to be there. People feel entitled. If people don't go back to work and we keep printing money we may just turn into Venezuela.

Originally Posted by kinsey (Post 1085906)

I really think there are alot of people out there enjoying there vacation. They don't want to go back to work. The stigma of food stamps and other government aid programs does not seem to be there. People feel entitled. If people don't go back to work and we keep printing money we may just turn into Venezuela.

Originally Posted by ukjay (Post 1085908)

No im not saying we shud all be on lock down im saying we shud all have the choice to do what we think is best for us.And no it wont just go away we no that much but it will burn its self out at some point.As for sweden well time will tell if they are right i hope to god they are.I don't see what governments have to gain by keeping us all on lock down they have more to loose than gain.

Originally Posted by ukjay (Post 1085911)

Not me m8 i ain't on no universal credit i haven't stopped selling doing well to be honest i enjoy working for myself.I wouldn't say a vacation but i am enjoying the extra time im getting to spend with loved one's.

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1085912)

But the government can just as easily do as they please, and tell you you can't ship your items out anymore. Some countries have in fact done that. Only essential things are allowed to ship. Then what?

It's easy for you to be ok with this, because it doesn't effect you. My sales are down 50%, which means my income is down 75%. I can't even get free government money.

This virus will not burn itself out. It just won't. The only way for that to happen, is herd immunity. And the only way for THAT to happen, is for people to be allowed to live their lives. So instead of it burning out in a few months, it will take a few years to burn out, and the sum total of deaths from the virus will STILL be the same. But the sum total costs to society will be incalculable.

What do governments have to gain by being communist and totalitarian? Power.

And what they have to gain from this, is to not be voted out. They are doing this to save their own bacon. Since when do they think far enough ahead to see what they have to lose? That's never stopped any government from doing any of the countless stupid things they've done.

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1085897)

You risk life any time you leave the house. Things that are more likely to kill you, than this virus, yet we don't shut down the entire world because of them.

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1085874)

GOOD.

I think the logic of the situation can be framed reasonably simply as follows:

1) Given sufficient healthcare capacity the same number of people, roughly, will die if this quarantine ends tomorrow versus if it ends a year from now. Again, sufficient healthcare capacity is the key here. Before anyone jumps on me.

1a) Ventilators are no longer a limiting factor, and we have the highest bed capacity per capita of any country in the world. And hospitals are literally firing staff because there is nothing to do. My Florida governor wants to open things back up, and one of the issues was our healthcare system being destroyed along with everything else, because staff are being fired left and right.

2) A vaccine is unlikely for at least a year, and to develop one at all historically new technology will need to be invented. It amounts to either a cure of, or vaccine for, the common cold, which has never yet been produced despite much effort. The shortest time it has ever taken to produce an effective and safe vaccine was three years, and some take more than twenty years. Putting our eggs in that basket amounts to whimsy and foolishness, although efforts should not be abandoned.

We have, however, established reasonably good protocols with Zithromax, zinc, and hydroxychloroquine. We are unlikely to do better no matter how long we wait.

3) Each and every day this coerced labor lockout continues, the cost in human lives RISES.

There is an immediate cost, in terms of people putting bullets in their brains, driving drunk into trees, and shooting heroin in their veins and never waking up, which would not have happened had these people not been pushed over the edge by government policy.

And there is a longer term cost, in lives lost due to stress. A mere 1% increase in long term unemployment--and I think most observers think the number will be higher than that for a while--causes an overall national increase in mortality from all causes of about 40,000 lives.

4) the logic, therefore, that we are KILLING more and more people, that we are costing more and more lives, each and every day this labor lockout continues is, to my mind, compelling and irrefutable.

These policies are CAUSING death, not preventing it. And they are causing MISERY too, among all those who cannot pay their bills, and will get no money from the government, or not enough, or not soon enough.

5) We are closing our eyes, and thinking if we don't see it, it won't hurt us. It's here, and it's out there. Locking people away only delays the inevitable, and it's only viable when hospital capacity can't handle the strain. It's not long term thinking. It's short term.

The sticking point for most seems to be delusional thinking stuck in the Bargaining phase of grief. They want there to be another answer, where a good number of good people do not die.

There is no such answer. It is not forthcoming. There will be no miracle. We are here on Earth, and on Earth magical thinking does not equate to actual results. And all of us die. This is how the system works. I didn't create it, I am merely recording its operation accurately.

The HUMANE response, then--the ONLY humane response--is to begin opening the national economy up immediately. Anyone who wants to hedge their bets, and phase it, I will support, since that is better than nothing. But the long term effect--the number of deaths from this terrible disease--will be about the same, so my vote is full opening tomorrow.

Originally Posted by mine (Post 1086062)

It's apparent around the world that young children do not spread the virus. Can we not just send all the kids to work to sustain the economy?

Originally Posted by mine (Post 1086062)

It's apparent around the world that young children do not spread the virus. Can we not just send all the kids to work to sustain the economy?

Originally Posted by H4ck (Post 1086502)

I don't think a lot of people really care about poor countries getting the virus. poor people are expendable can easily replace a sweat shop in india for some european luxury brand.

Originally Posted by Sunspot144 (Post 1086599)

Other than trade with me! :lol:

Originally Posted by H4ck (Post 1087773)

i encourage that nobody get tested for coronavirus, if you get tested they take your sample and give it over to the health dept which give all the samples over to scientists to study to make vaccines for all the possible mutations......

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1087789)

You guys poo poo me when I suggested Solgar Anti oxidant pills.
I dont work for Solgar,but I know it is a good brand,you may have your favorite ones.
If you cough,there is cough drops and Nyquill? to help you sleep at night.
I also would shred some fresh ginger,either eat it raw or put them in clear broth or tea,it should help !
At one time the Chinese were drinking garlic water,garlic is antifungal and anti bacterial,not sure if it will do anything with virus?

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1088844)

It looks like Chinese did not spend all the Lunar year holidays staying home with family,they travel on cruise ships,planes to many parts of the world

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1089788)

external link-WUhan
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/29/a...hnk/index.html

Originally Posted by tinsoldier (Post 1086115)

What's silly? His ridiculous claim kids cant spread the virus or that they should be put to work?

I hope its not the latter, I'm running low on some of my best sellers. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by 997turbo (Post 1089808)

wow good to see you post a CNN news here,CNN is one of the neutral medias,more genuine news than ⊗⊗⊗⊗ news.
as THE GREAT Mr trump said ⊗⊗⊗⊗ news is the enemy of all people:d
highly agree with him on this.

Originally Posted by ukjay (Post 1088080)

What's going on in there? Coronavirus patient FLEES North Korea before being SHOT in China

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-border-guards

Originally Posted by 997turbo (Post 1089808)

wow good to see you post a CNN news here,CNN is one of the neutral medias,more genuine news than ⊗⊗⊗⊗ news.
as THE GREAT Mr trump said ⊗⊗⊗⊗ news is the enemy of all people:d
highly agree with him on this.

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1089868)

This thread is still going?

I honestly feel bad for stirring it up so much in the beginning. Screw covid.

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1089920)

Now trump is blaming China,and like Germany,wants to be compensated.

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1089928)

It's all just theatrics in my opinion. I doubt China will be paying any nations any money because of this in the long run.