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so what happens if a year from now, once we get antibody testing of everyone, it turns out that we were off by the total case count by about 100x? John hopkins is already saying estimates are 10-100 times higher. So when this turns out to have an actual fatality rate closer to the flu, will government officials be tared and feathers and then shot in the street? lol

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We can only hope.

Something tells me that won't be happening though.

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What you're ignoring is that the flu numbers are ALSO handled the same way. Asymptomatic cases are largely unknown. Which, again, levels the playing field when comparing CFR.

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ugh, no. I'm not ignoring how those numbers are handled. the CDC uses modeling to estimate the number of flu cases. This has nothing to do with reported cases.


The numbers for covid are reported, is apparently 10-100x LESS than what it actually is. Therefor, the estimates are showing it could be just as high as the estimates for the flu. I would bet good money we will never do mass antibody testing, because that will show that the actual mortality rate for this thing, is not even close to what they are currently saying.

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I think regardless of what the rate ultimately ends up being, it's alarming how many Americans are dying every day from this now. I don't think any amount of number fudging is going to bring influenza's daily death count in the US up to ~1900 like we're seeing now with covid-19. I understand that there probably are other things killing 2k Americans every day, but there's no point in trying to view a new phenomena that's killing thousands of Americans each day with rose colored glasses.

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medical error alone kills 700 people per days, that we know of. With estimates of 1200. If anything, this virus will probably save people lol. Oh yeah. Add that to my number of how many less deaths there will be this year because of the virus. Totally forgot about that.

Once this is all over, I'd bet money ( I have way too many bets going. Damn) that half the deaths attributed to this, aren't because of it. If someone even has symptoms, they are counting it as a covid death now, even without testing. Or if a person dies a couple days earlier than they were supposed to of some other issue, but they had covid. Or some 100 year old lady on her death bed dies of covid. Or or or. Hell, how many covid people died of medical errors?

All the numbers we see, are complete and total bull****. We don't know. We just don't know anything. It's all estimates and guess work.

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Can we all agree, that no matter what, we have destroyed our economy, for completely inflated numbers? HOw about all the old people that we saved, that are living their last days on earth, in complete isolation? All the depressed people, that are having their lives ruined, giving them even more reasons to be depressed. Can we agree that the cure is in fact worse than the disease?

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There is no way for them to know this.... When the hell is the last time they've locked down an entire country, let alone an entire planet? Even right now, based on the numbers I'm finding, deaths from all causes in England is only a bit higher than the 5 year average. And that's only due to the huge spike of deaths now, which will even out and then drop.

If anything, this event should show us that all the computational figures in the world, aren't able to predict jack **** lol.

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Of course they can't know for sure. What I'm saying is, they can't know at all. Might as well be playing sim city.

They have no real data to base these numbers on, as this is a situation that has never happened. There are so many variables that we will be learning about over the coming months, that we just haven't even thought about. Look at history and how many times the law of unintended consequences has popped it's head up. We've been so damn sure, and it goes completely opposite. When we are doing things that are unprecedented, it's nothing more than guess work.

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time will tell :). If we both survive, we will discuss it in 2021

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I find it amazing how strong the USA is durring this world wide crisis. China is doing everything it can to keep its head above water. Seems like my positive exchange the past months soon will evaporate again. https://amp.scmp.com/economy/china-e...vert-financial

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Yes. Stronger than any other place in the world. The best looser if you want to look at it that way.

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News is pushing a new fear campaign about USPS running out of money by Sept now. Not likely considering that would look extremely bad if US's own postal service went under.

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Lets hope for the best guys

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considering Trump would love to see that happen lol I don't know...

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And some of us have the attitude of " holy ****, can we stop doing everything we can!?!? Everyone asked if we can do everything, but no one asked if we should do everything. This is getting a bit out of control, guys. Please stop. stop. For the love of god.".

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... come on now. The whole nitpicking people over the use of " every" is getting tired ( not by you personally. Just in general). Obviously I don't mean everything. no one "ever" means "every". It's hyperbole.


This is why America differs so much from other countries. We don't respect our government just because they are our government. We respect intelligent ideas. And at the moment, I'm not seeing very much of that going on.

So I will not duly comply with moronic ideas. People in my country are getting arrested and or ticketed for the dumbest things right now. This is an authoritarians wet dream. Every government is making up their own rules, based on whatever the hell they want to do.


I don't remember the bit in the constitution that said " well, all of this obviously doesn't count, if there is a pandemic.

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https://reason.com/2020/04/09/prelim...t-0-4-percent/


When this is all over, government officials will be dragged through the streets and shot. You just watch. The initial estimates are so off the ****ing mark, it's not even funny. And all our decisions have been made, based on those estimates.


We need to end all lock downs, NOW. Wash your ****ing hands, and don't sneeze on people. I can't believe we imploded the entire global economy over this.

But hey, at least now, we see how scummy China is, how bad globalism is, and understand that all the petty SJW bull**** being peddled for the past decade, isn't actually important.

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I'm starting to agree with you, James. Fortunately my state has a sensible governor with a business background. He's shady AF and is no doubt getting kickbacks from companies in the state, but at least he hasn't locked down our state. Everyone here can still freely move and the only places that have closed are non-grocery/non-hardware retail stores. The local sheriffs department posted something on facebook earlier in the week saying "We WILL NOT be pulling people over to check where they are going. We are trusting the public to comply with the "work or home" order." I feel like my a$$-backwards redneck southern state has way more freedom than most others in the current situation.

I read a rather convincing piece yesterday saying this is a bioweapon intentionally released by the USA into Wuhan. It was written in February so it doesn't quite align with the virus spreading to the rest of the world, but it still makes a lot of sense.

If anyone's interested, it's here: https://cryptome.org/2020/02/CIA-biovirus-2019.pdf

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It'll never happen. And there's already talk (a month ago) of a double or triple digit Billion dollar bailout for them.

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They received a 10B loan in the stimulus. That does not go very far for USPS seeing as they loose money every single day for decades.

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That's not what I'm talking about about. That's a loan. I'm referring to a bailout of 50 billion. With an additional 25 billion as a loan (on top of the 10 you mention).

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Yeah, no irony there, just ignorance.

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Yes buddy you get this.

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A lot of racist comedians use content like this :boink:

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Minorities tend to subject themselves to an inferior narrative as a means of getting extra stuff in a world (country) of equal opportunity. It's an abuse of the majority's sympathy that shouldn't even exist in the first place.

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Whats-more it's a turn off for the majority to face attitudes like that.

You want a leg up?

Me too, pal! :x



Guess I'm being harsh but.... I don't view minorities as inferior. How are they? Everyone's got a brain.

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Drawing parallels between two occurrences that don't have anything in common.

Family signed something for the experiment.

Hospitals do not experiment on people for a cure.

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A chilling prediction of things to come :)

:focus:

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American intelligence has been working overdrive pumping out dozens of theories to deflect blame from themselves.

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are you saying they are to blame?

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Are the sources credible? Anything the Wuhan lab employees are telling people can't be taken at face value, doesn't matter how high up they are there. If you've seen foreigner interview footage in China, a Chinese gov official is always present to make sure nothing is said that would portray the CCP negatively. When they say they aren't capable of virus research it's to protect themselves from CCP throwing them in jail. :shocked:

Recently watched a short info vid about how China delayed the official announcement because in China, because the CCP is 100% responsible for the country and the people, it reflects extremely poorly on the CCP's ability to adequately handle situations. The authoritarian CCP form of government operates as though the people aren't able to take care of themselves (which was true at one point). CCP experiences extreme shame and guilt when situations go badly because the people are dependent on them, not like US where it is every man for himself.