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JamesNorth101 03-27-2020 12:29 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1080480)
( and I'm not saying we shouldn't social distance or not wash hands or anything. People will do it now, even if you don't tell them to)

That is literally exactly what you said. 'Carrrying on like normal' isn't social distancing.

You may want to read a bit more world news. Its not just the old and the sick that are getting admitted. Its also not just the old and sick dying. We had a fit and healthy 21 year old pass away in the UK and she wasnt the only one, just the youngest.

If everyone as your suggesting just went out and carries on like normal then in says 2/3 weeks time 60% of the population got sick, which is what projections are suggesting will happen if its left unchecked, then lets say 5% need to go to hospital that alone will cripple the hospitals. It would be near enough 10,000,000 people in the US aand chances are more than 5% would end up needing go be admitted.

The entire aim here is to try to keep the % of the overall population at any one time getting sick low, even if its dragged out for longer, it means that the strain on the hospitals is manageable. I dont understand how you need that explained.... again its just common sense.

phaz0rz 03-27-2020 01:21 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Boris Johnson and the UK health secretary have tested positive

ebaystealth1974 03-27-2020 01:26 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1080500)
Boris Johnson and the UK health secretary have tested positive

No comment on your wrong numbers above?

james13v 03-27-2020 03:57 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101 (Post 1080492)
That is literally exactly what you said. 'Carrrying on like normal' isn't social distancing.

You may want to read a bit more world news. Its not just the old and the sick that are getting admitted. Its also not just the old and sick dying. We had a fit and healthy 21 year old pass away in the UK and she wasnt the only one, just the youngest.

If everyone as your suggesting just went out and carries on like normal then in says 2/3 weeks time 60% of the population got sick, which is what projections are suggesting will happen if its left unchecked, then lets say 5% need to go to hospital that alone will cripple the hospitals. It would be near enough 10,000,000 people in the US aand chances are more than 5% would end up needing go be admitted.

The entire aim here is to try to keep the % of the overall population at any one time getting sick low, even if its dragged out for longer, it means that the strain on the hospitals is manageable. I dont understand how you need that explained.... again its just common sense.

Jesus Christ, I KNOW it's not just the old and sick. The young and healthy die from the flu as well! They are more likely to die from the flu, than this, actually.

The overall population getting sick isn't what the problem is. It's the people getting sick, THAT ARE AT THE MOST RISK, that would require more hospital and doctor services. Even if young and healthy get sick, They are not the ones clogging up the medical system right now.

I don't understand why you guys aren't understanding this. Yeah. They get sick. But are FAR FAR more likely to not even show symptoms, while the old and sick, will not only show symptoms, but will probably end up in the hospital. How are you people not recognizing the differences?

Yeah, let people go back to normal. Carrying on like normal. As in, not having lockdowns and threatening people with jail time. That kind of normal. Open up shops and businesses. We aren't ucking children. We will protect ourselves now that we understand what's going on. . But the ones that are at most risk, and are clogging hospitals, are going to be protected. ALl the while, we aren't destroying our economies.

james13v 03-27-2020 04:01 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ebaystealth1974 (Post 1080485)
This is 10-15x more deadly than the flu, for EVERY age group. (on average)

Outside of that, I agree with most of what you're saying.

where did you get the numbers for every age group, this being 10-15times more deadly? And average doesn't really matter. Average, is the reason people still believe people only lived to 30 years old in the old days. Why average doesn't matter, is because the reason they only lived to 30 years, was because 8 in 10 kids died within a few years, which completely dragged down the average for all the people that lived till 80.

Just as in this situation, using averages is pointless. Separate them by actual age groups, and show me how deadly it is compared to the flu. And my point of comparing it to the flu, is that people died of the flu just as they are dying of this. Not that this is less dangerous than the flu. Using anecdotes to prove me wrong, because some 21 year old died, is meaningless, when 21 year olds die of the flu too.

But HOW MANY 21 year olds are dying of this? How many of the ones that are getting sick, are dying of this? How many 21 year olds already got sick and got over it, and we will never know, until we do testing for antibodies?

ebaystealth1974 03-27-2020 04:33 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1080521)
They are more likely to die from the flu, than this, actually.

Negative, Ghostrider!

Come one, James, you're letting me down as of recently. Your posts used to make the most sense, regarding this, but you seem to be getting some bad info lately.

Depending on age, Covid-19 is between 6 and 25x more deadly than the flu.

ebaystealth1974 03-27-2020 04:36 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1080523)
where did you get the numbers for every age group, this being 10-15times more deadly?

Average, because I don't really care to list them all out here by age lol.

james13v 03-27-2020 04:50 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ebaystealth1974 (Post 1080527)
Average, because I don't really care to list them all out here by age lol.

Here. I'll do it for you. That is one hell of a curve. Isolate just the 80+ or even 70+, and the death rate would plummet.
https://i.insider.com/5e5fc740fee23d...jpeg&auto=webp

phaz0rz 03-27-2020 04:57 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ebaystealth1974 (Post 1080478)
I haven't read the rest of your post yet, but THIS part is completely backwards.

I'm seeing...
Recovered: 2424
Dead: 1384

Where are you getting those crazy numbers? :confused:

I posted a couple hours before today's numbers were published on worldometers. They may seem crazy, but they're just the numbers that were published on that page a few hours ago.

Now it's at 1546 deaths, 2465 recoveries. So it's only off 2:1 by about 500 with the latest stats. The thing is though, these "recovered" people still seem to carry the SARS-CoV-2 virus and the symptoms it presents seem to be incrementally detrimental with each flare up. Like I said though, I'm not doing anymore arguing in this thread. I'm just a spectator. Only time will tell how this is going to play out.

One thing is for sure though - covid-19 is now officially killing 3x more Americans than the flu does each year.

phaz0rz 03-27-2020 05:06 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Here's a comparison of the progression of SARS vs. H1N1 (swine flu) vs. covid-19

https://i.postimg.cc/wTmMt6k9/sars-vs-covid-vs-h1n1.png

ebaystealth1974 03-27-2020 05:34 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1080533)
I posted a couple hours before today's numbers were published on worldometers. They may seem crazy, but they're just the numbers that were published on that page a few hours ago.

Now it's at 1546 deaths, 2465 recoveries. So it's only off 2:1 by about 500 with the latest stats.


lol.. you still have your numbers/head/thoughts reversed.

it's 1:2 deaths:recoveries

NOT 2:1

:doh:

ebaystealth1974 03-27-2020 05:36 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1080532)
Here. I'll do it for you. That is one hell of a curve. Isolate just the 80+ or even 70+, and the death rate would plummet.
https://i.insider.com/5e5fc740fee23d...jpeg&auto=webp

Good job! Now compare the numbers between the 2 and see where your statements were wrong. :)

Phuck the visual, do the math.

Pandoras_box 03-27-2020 06:45 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1080472)
No other country is reporting a recovery rate anywhere close to what China reported, which leads me to believe China lied in the vast majority of their "recovery" cases. Their lies are criminal because they've caused the rest of the world to have unrealistic expectations when it comes to recoveries. The number of people dying in the rest of the world is alarming, and many of those deaths could have been prevented if China had been truthful with their reporting. The "just a flu" narrative has gone on for so long because the rest of the world is just now starting to understand how deadly of a virus this really is.

Worldwide death rate is now 16%. Without China's bogus statistics, it's :
54640 recoveries, 22130 deaths, which equates to a 29% death rate.

These are just my latest thoughts and I won't be arguing with anyone today about them.


When this is over, I hope countries come together and ensure China pays a high price. With 1.5 bn mouths to feed and vast infrastructure and institutions that demand $$ to maintain; it can't be that hard to pull the rug under their feet and send them crashing back to where they were 70 years ago.

Manufacturing can be decentralised to Europe, Asia and a few African countries.


They're selling fhake test kits to Spain while spreading conspiracies that the US had the virus problem first before they did.

By the time this is over, the world would have lost more money than what it would have cost to move manufacturing out of China.

Pandoras_box 03-27-2020 07:09 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ebabe (Post 1080310)
Been saying that for awhile, they will put something in the vaccination, and if you dont take it, you wont be able to buy or sell anything.

You, walkingupwards and Alex Jones walk into a bar...


Quote:

Originally Posted by ebabe (Post 1080310)
The needle will leave a Mark.

Let me guess, 666?

walkingupwards 03-27-2020 07:16 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandoras_box (Post 1080559)
When this is over, I hope countries come together and ensure China pays a high price. With 1.5 bn mouths to feed and vast infrastructure and institutions that demand $$ to maintain; it can't be that hard to pull the rug under their feet and send them crashing back to where they were 70 years ago.

Manufacturing can be decentralised to Europe, Asia and a few African countries.


They're selling fhake test kits to Spain while spreading conspiracies that the US had the virus problem first before they did.

By the time this is over, the world would have lost more money than what it would have cost to move manufacturing out of China.



Rich China is better for the world economy. China doesn't have the technology to manufacture a virus like COVID-19.


How many countries were destroyed by various US administrations? Should people demand that Americans pay up for that? Absolutely not because the American people had no say when endless and useless wars were being waged.


The world had a time window of almost 3 months and didn't make any use of it. We saw the virus raging on in China and nobody did anything about it, so saying if China came out and told the world a bit earlier would have made a difference is b.s.


You are better off directing the rage at the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation rather bashing the victim :bird:

Pandoras_box 03-27-2020 07:44 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1080568)
Rich China is better for the world economy.

A short statement, yet stunningly full of sh1t!


Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1080568)
China doesn't have the technology to manufacture a virus like COVID-19.

It doesn't take technology to run wet markets or eat stuff that should be left well on its own.

Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1080568)
How many countries were destroyed by various US administrations?

Nowhere near 6 million Jews.

Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1080568)
The world had a time window of almost 3 months and didn't make any use of it. We saw the virus raging on in China and nobody did anything about it,

No different from the Munich Agreement. They didn't see Hitler coming either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1080568)
You are better off directing the rage at the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation rather bashing the victim :bird:

Someday, I might be crazy enough to be enraged at such charitable people, but I'll not be inspired by a looney. :lol:

By the way, since you hate the US/west so much, have you thought about settling in China, Iran and N.Korea while spouting these sort of theories against these countries and see how long you remain a free man?

rsot 03-27-2020 07:48 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
I wonder if anyone on the forum has been hit with symptoms whether severe or mild of covid-19...

yankee 03-27-2020 07:54 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rsot (Post 1080573)
I wonder if anyone on the forum has been hit with symptoms whether severe or mild of covid-19...

I know a a few people. Seems everyone is doing good.

JamesNorth101 03-27-2020 07:57 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rsot (Post 1080573)
I wonder if anyone on the forum has been hit with symptoms whether severe or mild of covid-19...

Not myself but I have seen a neighbour with and and she ended up in hospital. She was 50 and in fairly decent health. Looked dreadful and was put on a ventilator, just for the night though and then made it home the next day. 3 days later and she was still looking pretty dreadful but she will have the best part of a week still until she is recovered.

Friends with 3/4 other people that have bought it but just the mild version as they are a lot younger so dont seem as effected.

walkingupwards 03-27-2020 08:13 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandoras_box (Post 1080572)
By the way, since you hate the US/west so much, have you thought about settling in China, Iran and N.Korea while spouting these sort of theories against these countries and see how long you remain a free man?



If you only knew how silly this statement is you wouldn't have made it :s

dan_ebay 03-27-2020 11:13 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1080532)
Here. I'll do it for you. That is one hell of a curve. Isolate just the 80+ or even 70+, and the death rate would plummet.
https://i.insider.com/5e5fc740fee23d...jpeg&auto=webp

So assuming those stats are accurate the US should just let around 1 million 60-69 year olds die and half a million 50-59 year olds? Along with maybe 30 million+ people needing hospital care over a month or 2?


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