Corona Virus

[james13v]

Originally Posted by phaz0rz

I think regardless of what the rate ultimately ends up being, it's alarming how many Americans are dying every day from this now. I don't think any amount of number fudging is going to bring influenza's daily death count in the US up to ~1900 like we're seeing now with covid-19. I understand that there probably are other things killing 2k Americans every day, but there's no point in trying to view a new phenomena that's killing thousands of Americans each day with rose colored glasses.

medical error alone kills 700 people per days, that we know of. With estimates of 1200. If anything, this virus will probably save people lol. Oh yeah. Add that to my number of how many less deaths there will be this year because of the virus. Totally forgot about that.

Once this is all over, I'd bet money ( I have way too many bets going. Damn) that half the deaths attributed to this, aren't because of it. If someone even has symptoms, they are counting it as a covid death now, even without testing. Or if a person dies a couple days earlier than they were supposed to of some other issue, but they had covid. Or some 100 year old lady on her death bed dies of covid. Or or or. Hell, how many covid people died of medical errors?

All the numbers we see, are complete and total bull****. We don't know. We just don't know anything. It's all estimates and guess work.

[james13v]

Can we all agree, that no matter what, we have destroyed our economy, for completely inflated numbers? HOw about all the old people that we saved, that are living their last days on earth, in complete isolation? All the depressed people, that are having their lives ruined, giving them even more reasons to be depressed. Can we agree that the cure is in fact worse than the disease?

[james13v]

Originally Posted by tinsoldier

There is already analytical computations and figures to suggest that net deaths in the UK will match 2019.

There is no way for them to know this.... When the hell is the last time they've locked down an entire country, let alone an entire planet? Even right now, based on the numbers I'm finding, deaths from all causes in England is only a bit higher than the 5 year average. And that's only due to the huge spike of deaths now, which will even out and then drop.

If anything, this event should show us that all the computational figures in the world, aren't able to predict jack **** lol.

[james13v]

Originally Posted by tinsoldier

Of course there's no way for them to know for sure, its a computer generated prediction.

Statisticians in Italy are making similar predictions albeit that they have a much older population one their side.

Of course they can't know for sure. What I'm saying is, they can't know at all. Might as well be playing sim city.

They have no real data to base these numbers on, as this is a situation that has never happened. There are so many variables that we will be learning about over the coming months, that we just haven't even thought about. Look at history and how many times the law of unintended consequences has popped it's head up. We've been so damn sure, and it goes completely opposite. When we are doing things that are unprecedented, it's nothing more than guess work.

[james13v]

Originally Posted by tinsoldier

Indeed, but that's not an observation that's been leveled at authorities when they imposed lockdown which was also decided based on predictions and computer based data.

The point is that the impact on the population is unlikely to be as dramatic as some want us to believe, and whether folk want to accept it or not the only net cost to society will be a financial one.

time will tell . If we both survive, we will discuss it in 2021

[yankee]

I find it amazing how strong the USA is durring this world wide crisis. China is doing everything it can to keep its head above water. Seems like my positive exchange the past months soon will evaporate again. https://amp.scmp.com/economy/china-e...vert-financial

[yankee]

Originally Posted by agent006140

what do you mean by strong?
Flooding the country with money,keep printing money?
You know we are going to see high inflation once this is over,look at gold.
A country where folks dont have $400 savings,think one day there is a war,an invasion and we have to run for our life,do you think we can fill our cars with gas using Barbie dolls,ipods,coffee pods ?
DVDs featuring the Green Hulk,?
1/3 of the apt renters have yet to pay April rent,rent is due no later than the 5th.

Yes. Stronger than any other place in the world. The best looser if you want to look at it that way.

[Sunspot144]

News is pushing a new fear campaign about USPS running out of money by Sept now. Not likely considering that would look extremely bad if US's own postal service went under.

[xenix]

Lets hope for the best guys

[james13v]

Originally Posted by Sunspot144

News is pushing a new fear campaign about USPS running out of money by Sept now. Not likely considering that would look extremely bad if US's own postal service went under.

considering Trump would love to see that happen lol I don't know...

[james13v]

Originally Posted by tinsoldier

That might be the unfortunate attitude in some countries, some of us prefer to say 'lets do what we can to make sure of the best possible outcome'.

See the difference?

(no reply required, I know your post was meant as nothing more than an advert)

And some of us have the attitude of " holy ****, can we stop doing everything we can!?!? Everyone asked if we can do everything, but no one asked if we should do everything. This is getting a bit out of control, guys. Please stop. stop. For the love of god.".

[james13v]

Originally Posted by tinsoldier

Nobody, not one single country is doing everything they can.

Most are doing what is deemed the best they can to arrive at an acceptable conclusion to their own citizens. Some are doing nothing, some are going into total lockdown. Most are somewhere inbetween.

But whilst we all have a different opinions as to what measure should be taken, it doesn't appear that any of us have any influence on the direction our elected officials have decided to take.

I was against the lockdown measures the UK have taken, but I'm also sensible enough to know that now our Government have decide to take the route they have that I need to respect it and I am duly complying.

... come on now. The whole nitpicking people over the use of " every" is getting tired ( not by you personally. Just in general). Obviously I don't mean everything. no one "ever" means "every". It's hyperbole.


This is why America differs so much from other countries. We don't respect our government just because they are our government. We respect intelligent ideas. And at the moment, I'm not seeing very much of that going on.

So I will not duly comply with moronic ideas. People in my country are getting arrested and or ticketed for the dumbest things right now. This is an authoritarians wet dream. Every government is making up their own rules, based on whatever the hell they want to do.


I don't remember the bit in the constitution that said " well, all of this obviously doesn't count, if there is a pandemic.

[james13v]

https://reason.com/2020/04/09/prelim...t-0-4-percent/


When this is all over, government officials will be dragged through the streets and shot. You just watch. The initial estimates are so off the ****ing mark, it's not even funny. And all our decisions have been made, based on those estimates.


We need to end all lock downs, NOW. Wash your ****ing hands, and don't sneeze on people. I can't believe we imploded the entire global economy over this.

But hey, at least now, we see how scummy China is, how bad globalism is, and understand that all the petty SJW bull**** being peddled for the past decade, isn't actually important.

[phaz0rz]

I'm starting to agree with you, James. Fortunately my state has a sensible governor with a business background. He's shady AF and is no doubt getting kickbacks from companies in the state, but at least he hasn't locked down our state. Everyone here can still freely move and the only places that have closed are non-grocery/non-hardware retail stores. The local sheriffs department posted something on facebook earlier in the week saying "We WILL NOT be pulling people over to check where they are going. We are trusting the public to comply with the "work or home" order." I feel like my a$$-backwards redneck southern state has way more freedom than most others in the current situation.

I read a rather convincing piece yesterday saying this is a bioweapon intentionally released by the USA into Wuhan. It was written in February so it doesn't quite align with the virus spreading to the rest of the world, but it still makes a lot of sense.

If anyone's interested, it's here: https://cryptome.org/2020/02/CIA-biovirus-2019.pdf

[ebaystealth1974]

Originally Posted by Sunspot144

News is pushing a new fear campaign about USPS running out of money by Sept now. Not likely considering that would look extremely bad if US's own postal service went under.

It'll never happen. And there's already talk (a month ago) of a double or triple digit Billion dollar bailout for them.

[yankee]

Originally Posted by ebaystealth1974

It'll never happen. And there's already talk (a month ago) of a double or triple digit Billion dollar bailout for them.

They received a 10B loan in the stimulus. That does not go very far for USPS seeing as they loose money every single day for decades.

[ebaystealth1974]

Originally Posted by yankee

They received a 10B loan in the stimulus.

That's not what I'm talking about about. That's a loan. I'm referring to a bailout of 50 billion. With an additional 25 billion as a loan (on top of the 10 you mention).

[james13v]

Originally Posted by tinsoldier

The irony of you correcting my possible pedantry after your efforts on the face mask thread isn't lost on me

Yeah, no irony there, just ignorance.

[Sunspot144]

Originally Posted by tinsoldier

That might be the unfortunate attitude in some countries, some of us prefer to say 'lets do what we can to make sure of the best possible outcome'.

See the difference?

(no reply required, I know your post was meant as nothing more than an advert)

Yes buddy you get this.

[Sunspot144]

Originally Posted by H4ck

Lol white guy in a coma and they do experimental plasma blood transfusion for antibodies for covid to hope it will save that white guy

Mean while, blacks and Mexicans are dying at high number from covid 19 lol

It's funny how they go the extra mile to save a white person

A lot of racist comedians use content like this

[Sunspot144]

Originally Posted by tinsoldier

Black racists or white racists?

Minorities tend to subject themselves to an inferior narrative as a means of getting extra stuff in a world (country) of equal opportunity. It's an abuse of the majority's sympathy that shouldn't even exist in the first place.

[Sunspot144]

Whats-more it's a turn off for the majority to face attitudes like that.

You want a leg up?

Me too, pal! :x



Guess I'm being harsh but.... I don't view minorities as inferior. How are they? Everyone's got a brain.