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Nope, I disagree with you.

I can't accept the "oh well, there will be losers" mentality because I'm pretty sure nobody wants to be a loser, correct? Some people just get a super, super **** roll of the dice and as a society we should aim higher than that.
As a society, the whole world needs to abandon the mentality that "some things just are" and perhaps focus solely on how they can change the situation, now how to accept the negatives.

We are amazing, we could be so much more. The bare minimum that we should all aim for is just being a good person- Leave education, money, fame, social status and all the superficial and articifial to one side and just focus on one thing: be a good person.
Start simple and build on it and thats how you breed success, thats how you breed a kind society and thats how you breed a positive, healthy social environment where people motivate eachother.

BUT, we are all chasing that paper, we are all chasing that promotion and we are all in a dire need to be better than someone- To have more, to feel more, to want more to achieve more.

Human nature, perhaps... Most likely...But there are other ways to achieve it all. It doesn't need to be a rat race.

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So, I am very familiar with most of these things.

Almost ALL of these specific things just takes money out of ordinary peoples income.

Second of all, how he wants to attack the banks and wall street(I am all for personally) drastically cuts or kills people 401K and pensions and again, only effects working middle class.

Adding SS to income brackets that DONT pay SS is just to make dumb people fee good about a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ tax against wealthier people.

I can go on but you get the gist....

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Losers breeding losers - rough notion to fix :(

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No disrespect but:

1. As a non-US citizen, your opinion on the election is not at all relevant.

2. Trump never talked about building a wall to keep out Muslims....that doesn't make any sense. If you're going to argue, please keep the facts straight.

3. The UK is doing very poorly right now, politically, socially and economically. Heck, you guys can't even decide whether to stay or go from the EU, which is just sucking all your resources. You all are basically socialist for the rest of the world, which is sad.

4. If I, as a white man, went to a "Black Lives Matter" rally, and started holding up signs that were contradictory to their message, what do you think would happen to me? Here's a clue: I'd get the living crap beat out of me, and very likely be shot.

Point being: If you kick a hornets nest, don't get angry and swear and talk about how evil and racist hornets are when you get stung....you're the idiot who stirred up the nest. They aren't going out and seeking to sting you. Don't act like a fool and don't stir up crap.

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Mio caro!
Non hai dimenticato il Pinguino de ragazza!

Così bello! Grazie molto!

:cheer:

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That is incorrect

We are having a vote to decide if the British public want to stay in the EU or not. Some do and some do not, hence the vote.

Economically and politically we are doing pretty well.

As for socially (and to an extent politically) that is a subjective view.

The one thing that I do have to give Trump credit for and I do like is that he is self funding a lot of his campaign (I know its classed as a loan, but its still coming from his own business). I also like the fact that he is very honest, even if I do not agree with half of it, you at least know what he is thinking.

The wall thing though... Well its pretty daft really and just unlikely to ever happen.

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I happened to be working a minimum wage job when the Federal Minimum Wage increased passed. I was a cashier at Dairy Queen. When my pay was bumped from 5.15 an hour to 5.85, I was very excited.

But what happened afterwards surprised me.

While my hourly pay went up, the SAME DAY it took effect, the prices on EVERY SINGLE MENU ITEM increased! This happened twice more, each time after the minimum wage increased, so did the price of food.

At the end of it all, the average items price increased 31% (yes, I did the math! I was fascinated and couldn't believe it!). So while I was getting paid slightly more, as a young man, every other person who went to eat at the restaurant was PAYING more for the same food---the quality and quantity remained stagnant, but the price was much higher.

WHY? Because the owner of the business wasn't just going to give us a raise out of the kindness of his heart. The money came from everyone else. And at the end of the day, guess what? Even I didn't benefit from it, because the prices of almost all food and retail stores increased after the wages increased (I started taking note of prices when I visited other stores after the first wage increase, and compared it after the next ones).

Moral of the story is this: There's no free lunch.

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I recently hired a Gentalman from London who relocated to Rhode Island a year ago because of the social aspect. He could not get his kid into a local school because allocations for Muslims(according to him) did not leave enough room for natural born residents. He also claims that the flag is burned in the streets weekly.

The stories are alarmingly similar to some of the recent issues in the USA.

As for currency, I will be buying right before the vote :)

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Define "education".

Is it: Learn how to be a victim 101?

Is it: Feel guilty for what your ancestors did 200 years ago?

Is it: If you're a white, straight male, kill yourself?

Is it: Women should forget having children, and instead enslave themselves to a corporation?

Because that's what colleges are teaching today.

There is no critical thinking taught. It's all a bunch of PC crap, indoctrination. Most grad-students wouldn't have been able to pass Freshman year of Jeffersons day education.

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Yes London does have issues like that. It mainly in London though and not really as much of an issue across the rest of the UK (although still an issue in other major cities, but very few places in the world done have issues similar to this)

Cannot say I have ever seen a flag burnt though. While I don't ever like flag burning, I would always defends someone freedom of action and freedom of speech (to certain level)

We have a bit of an odd situation in the UK in that our entire economy is so dependent on London. Most countries in the world have a 'second city' that is comparable in size to the largest city (in Germany its 1/2 the size, in France its 1/3 the size, in US its 1/2 the size). In the UK our second city is 1/8th the size of London, which means a lot of the GDP of the UK is London based and driven. It makes these sorts of problems with schooling pop up a lot and London does not get the % of GDP to deal with it as London is subsidising a lot of the other UK cities.

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This just proves my point.

I get my info from biased media sources, and as a non-citizen, I'm clueless.

The wall most likely will never happen, at least not in physical form. It's what the wall REPRESENTS that matters, not the physical structure. Right now, the US has no borders, literally and metaphorically. That is the real issue, not the wall or lack thereof.

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Freedom of speech, yes, freedom of action, no.

I don't know about the UK, but in the US, we have "hate crimes" which basically makes any normal crime (say, assault) super-charged when done as a "hate crime". Let's just say that Joe Blow, white man, assaults John Doe, white man. Normal crime. Sentenced to 1 year in prison. Now, Joe Blow, instead, assaults Andrew Smith, who is african american. The judge rules that Joe did this out of racism, so instead of 1 year, he gets 5 years in prison, for the SAME CRIME. (These are examples, not actual numbers). Point is, INTENT matters. If we're going to have laws about our race, sexual orientation, gender, etc, we should protect our nationality as well, IMHO.

That said, I think that "hate crimes" should be done away with altogether. If someone attacks me because they hate my race, gender, whatever, it's still the same result: They still will hate me regardless of the punishment, and I'll still be injured regardless of why they did it. So why have different punishments? Anyways, end rant. :focus:

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The funniest show on earth!

You have a fence at the moment running across part of the boarder with Mexico

In fairness a lot of countries in the world don't actually have walls marking out their boarders. Its just not practical

Freedom of auction so long as its does not break laws is how I should have phrased that.

We do have limitation on freedom of speech that prevent inciting hatred. Its how we deport quite a lot of the radical clerks in the UK

Mens rea can be in some cases more important than actus reus. I remember reading a US case in which a man was arrested for stealing a handbag and ended up with 20 years in jail (or so) since it was decided he was targeting tourists which made it federal and he really got the book thrown at him for that, very similar to the example you provided above. Intent really does matter and the punishment should reflect the intent.

If person A attacks person B because he does not like his personality then he should get X number of years in jail


If person A attacks person B because he does not like his race/religion ect then he should get more than X number of years in jail because its not just an attack on person B but also on the society in which person B lives. There needs to be (and often is) a harsher punishment for this second attack to differentiate between the 2 types of intent

In the case of the handbag thief it was both a personal attack and a socio-economic attack which is why he got a much much longer sentence. This then prevents (in theory) other want to be muggers from specifically targeting tourists. If it got out that tourists in a certain cities were being targeted this would prevent the tourists from visiting said cities which woudl lead to a decrease in economic prosperity for that area which can potentially have a much wider effect than the initial handbag theft.

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Eh, yeah, we have a half-assed, half built FENCE, on part of the border...that's the REAL joke.

First off, even if it were complete, a simple $20 pair of wire cutters goes right through it. They have those in Mexico, right?

Secondly, it's not finished.

Steel and concrete are a lot harder to break through, especially with 6 feet of foundation.

And finally, most other countries don't have copious amounts of hard drugs flowing through their borders.

But I see your point, regardless. Like I said, what resonates isn't he WALL, it's the philosophy is represents, i.e. BORDERS, and law and order, and most importantly, no free lunch to those who disrespect our country and laws.

Just curious, on your packaging in the UK, what languages are printed?

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I didn't say it was a very good fence :)

We have English on our packing, and Welsh in Wales as well as English

Speciality foods have other languages Chinese for example.

With Re to the wall. They also sell ladders (and rope as Mr Trump worked out himself mid speech) in Mexico, but I do understand what your saying.

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Hate crimes are what the media uses to keep their spiciness and public scare tactics

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Lee Rigby's family and Battalion comrades still think his murder a hate crime, in terms of the US definition.

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Yes, but I'd argue that transporting a ladder and rope is a lot more labor intensive and a lot slower and thus less effective means of getting across the border. Also, it takes longer for multiple people to get across (rather than cutting through a fence, going up one at a time on a ladder). And although I haven't looked up any studies, I do imagine the majority of illegal immigration happens en mass, not single people on foot, thus stopping vehicles is also important.

No country will EVER completely shut out illegal immigration. That's not the point. We will never COMPLETELY stop crime either, but there are ways to curb it, and lessen it's effects on the populace as a whole.

Also, people tend to forget: There aren't many countries out there with more lax immigration than the US. In Japan, you can't even get a workers visa without a 4 year degree!

We aren't Santa Clause. If anyone individually wants to give away their own stuff for free, by all means----sign me up! But don't tax me and then tell me you're going to give it away to people who haven't earned it. Screw that----it's my money. You don't work, you don't eat. We have churches (there's that pesky religion, giving to the poor and all that rubbish), charities, and homeless shelters for those who TRULY can't do for themselves. You don't need a free phone, and free internet, and $400 worth of expensive food (as someone mentioned above).

And Mexico isn't the only issue. I think most of it is our own corrupt politicians, and really, our southern border is among the least of our real problems.

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While I disagree that this is what all colleges are teaching today, it does make me think of another point. Even if colleges were broken, the answer is not to make only the expensive ones work.

There is an argument that lazy trailer trash shouldn't get to go to college for free because they will squander that and continue to be lazy trailer trash. But if they have no opportunity to further their education, then they definitely will continue to be lazy trailer trash. Is it not better to educate everyone, even if only 1% take advantage of it? Betterment of society does not happen all at once, but keeping the disadvantaged down does not make it happen at all.

And the same argument goes to other social welfare programs. Sure, some people take advantage of food stamps, but is that a reason to cut them and let disadvantaged children go hungry?

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Lazy trailer trash is a choice well before college years. It is either A.) Conditioning at a very early age or B.) Pure choice.

Same goes for inner city slums and to a certain degree Native Americans.

You seem to think differently.

What MAY work is taking the child out of the situation altogether. Those would be propositions that I would love to hear BUT I can not fathom one that does not infringe upon a parents rights.

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I'm not saying it isn't, I'm saying that if someone chooses against it, they should have the opportunity to rise out of their situation.

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Seems to be soooooooooo many chances to further your education these days. Im 35 and 18-19 years ago I was no different.
It seems IF someone wants the opportunity it already exists in abundance. The problems seems to be more of the lack of desire by most.

Now, something that I deal with all the time is the idea that life has to be what we know it to be. That things are how they are. This is incredibly frustrating to me.

We have a member of this forum that wants to live off of $50.00 a day gross income. Not because he cant do more or be better but simply because he feels life needs to be that way along with admitting to be lazy and unmotivated.

To me, that is a shame and a huge part of the problem with America along with most developed countries these days. It has become so easy and comfortable to just "Be" :peace:

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One more thing that people in the private education side of things, much like this forum just paid, is that information is not the answer. You need the right motivated person and people to change things and to be motivated.

The more a person has to work for information the higher the results. Giving education away for no cost or a discounted price seems to dilute the education altogether on both the private side and the public side.

It can be exceedingly frustrating.

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By this logic, shouldn't scholarships be very harmful? Wouldn't having your schooling paid for based on pervious merits sap all motivation, and you would just end up failing out?

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I'm stating FACTS not opinions. Thousands of studies prove this time and again. Not one study shows differently as far as I am aware.

To get a scholarship, you worked your ass off. Lets use your brain going forward. :peace:

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Very hard to see how difficult it seems to be for America to care for all of its people. Even basic human rights like the NHS over here or Medicare over there, we have had the NHS for so long that it seems crazy how America is so far behind us on this issue. Ok America is so much bigger, but so is its income. The difficulties facing anyone over there who has tried to bring in Medicare for all makes it look like its a case of the rich and middle classes want to keep it for themselves.

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Heh, loving the hate we have going on here. Seems like non US people are not even welcome to express their outside opinions.

HEH, keep up the good work- I'll get the pitchforks.

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You think it's bad being an outsider, try being Hispanic! The whole wall thing is to keep out the "Mexicans" and supposedly Mexico will be paying to build the great wall of Trump who by the way will be most likely built by "Trump Border Wall LLC" which will consist mostly of Hispanic Workers who will then be fired/deported back to Mexico. Makes sense? lol.

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Our poor people always have had free healthcare.,...Nobody except the middle class get turned away. Has been that way since before I was born.

Our middle class now get taxed and penalized instead of just buying it. For me, in my situation, I pay out of pocket the first 20K annually plus almost 10k a year....

OUR USA constitution is nothing like the UK thank God. Maybe one of these decades we will go back to start using it.

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HAHAHA That is hilarious except leaves out all stated facts and intentions. :thumb:

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By-the-way, medicare has been around a loooong time and has been successful.
You seemed confused about the issues in the USA along with terminology. Medicare is fine.

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LOL, Most of that was just me being sarcastic....but it does sound close to what might happen! lol.

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Love it!

I have a lot to say about the said "Wall" but it is not important enough to me to spend time typing about it today, LOL

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EWHendo:

College costs rose significantly as soon as the federal government started subsiding college via PELL Grants and guaranteed student loans.

Forbes Welcome

Making college "free" will simply raise taxes higher and higher. Just like when you raise minimum wage, although you are getting paid more, the price of everything also goes up. It's an illusion the Democrats sell you to buy your votes. (Republicans are full of crap too, but on different policies)

RosieTosie: America is currently 21 TRILLION in debt. And we grow more in debt everyday. Giving all 300+ million people more "free" stuff is not the answer. We need to cut back on ALL entitlements. If I were dictator of a country, I would implement the 'America Works" program from House of Cards. Amazing concept. NO ONE is entitled to ANYTHING.

Haidukken: Everyone is free to voice their opinions, however, if you haven't even done the most basic research (Wall is for Mexicans, that's Trump 101) you really shouldn't be discussing and especially not criticizing a candidate.

MM78: Can I assume you're a legal citizen of the US? If so, why does the wall bother you? You worked hard to earn your way into this country---doesn't it bug you when someone else says "screw your effort, I'm going to cheat my way inside". (If you aren't here legally, nevermind, LOL!!!)

Honestly, I'm amazed that on a forum about building your own online business, there are people who support socialist principles. What does NOT surprise me is that this same person hasn't paid a dime for the information here....hmmm...sensing a pattern.

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wörd.

Don't worry man, they'll need to make couple o budget cuts and they'll end up building it using Jaffa cakes. It's all good.

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One of the reasons these threads end up in circles.

The Precious pontificate and attempt to brow bet others.

When the assumptions start flowing thickly, plot is lost.

=}

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My takeaway on this is that we desperately need to bring back civics classes in the US. Too many people do not understand the way the system actually works. What happened to the prohibition on political threads?

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BigBoss gave the seal of approval on page one.


Tactfully I think it has run its course.

:peace:

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I agree, in general politics isn't an appropriate topic for a forum like this, for 2 reasons:

1. People become emotional and say things they shouldn't.

2. People who aren't educated on the topic or person being discussed making outlandish, silly statements, which often leads to #1 occurring.

As for the foreigners criticizing American politics, I have a solution: Americans need to stop meddling in everyone elses affairs. No wonder they're so interested in who our president will be...

Whoever it is, I hope they focus on fixing our country and not being the World Police.