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xhanter 12-22-2019 06:49 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Hi Guys,

I am new to this forum. Paypal just took all my money after 180 days of waiting. And on the memo it says "PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation" and i believe i didn't violate the policy.

Please help me guys on how i can get back my money that i worked hard for.

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XPinksDude826 12-22-2019 07:30 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
I invite everyone who was AUP fined by PayPal to join my discord server. If you dont have a discord account please create one. We can all talk in here and work together.

Please do join as if we work together we can even form a joint lawsuit. I have a lawyer already helping me so the more people who join in. Then the better it is for all of us

Discord Server link: https://discord.gg/QaBrjsX

Wesker 12-22-2019 07:34 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Messy52312 (Post 1056901)
I invite everyone who was AUP fined by PayPal to join my discord server. If you dont have a discord account please create one. We can all talk in here and work together.

Please do join as if we work together we can even form a joint lawsuit. I have a lawyer already helping me so the more people who join in. Then the better it is for all of us

Discord Server link: https://discord.gg/QaBrjsX

Was considering doing a discord channel as well. Glad you made one.

Joined.

XPinksDude826 12-22-2019 07:40 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Im just letting everyone know that the EU side of Paypal had no policy saying that you can get fined for violating the acceptable use policy. Thats until December 11th there was an update to Paypal acceptable use policy stating that now you are liable for damages.

This means all of Europe can be fined too.


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notopp 12-22-2019 09:10 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
I also had a large amount taken by PayPal last week after 178 days of patiently waiting. We have a subpoena being written up now demanding information on what is going on. Wondering has anyone took action yet with a response or result?

Wesker 12-23-2019 08:04 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by notopp (Post 1056921)
I also had a large amount taken by PayPal last week after 178 days of patiently waiting. We have a subpoena being written up now demanding information on what is going on. Wondering has anyone took action yet with a response or result?

Yes. PayPal responded saying they require a subpoena before they provide any information. We're currently in the process of grouping up with one law firm to handle our cases.

Discord Server link: https://discord.gg/QaBrjsX

Wesker 12-23-2019 08:33 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/YQUz6sP.jpg

That's 3 accounts reported now that Paypal took $200k-$300k each one. No doubt PayPal has taken millions of dollars at this point.

rsot 12-23-2019 08:46 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by notopp (Post 1056921)
I also had a large amount taken by PayPal last week after 178 days of patiently waiting. We have a subpoena being written up now demanding information on what is going on. Wondering has anyone took action yet with a response or result?

Welcome to the forum - all the best as you master stealth :thumb:

Augus 12-23-2019 10:47 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MKT (Post 1056659)
You are wrong, you can tell your bank about online gateways and they will give you access to it to receive payments internationally. We use PayPal because it's the only "popular" payment gateway that people trust and use and this will be as long as there is no strong and efficient alternative. E.g: Skrill is way worse than PayPal.

In which way are you saying that Skrill is worse than PayPal? I was considering start using it. What is your personal experience with it or why do you say it is worse? (Have you got funds stolen, account limited/banned or something like that?

Wesker 12-23-2019 11:16 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Augus (Post 1057014)
In which way are you saying that Skrill is worse than PayPal? I was considering start using it. What is your personal experience with it or why do you say it is worse? (Have you got funds stolen, account limited/banned or something like that?

It's not. Skrill is far better than PayPal.

Augus 12-23-2019 11:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesker (Post 1057018)
It's not. Skrill is far better than PayPal.

That was my thinking as well, but his post left me wondering. Maybe he had some specific account issue himself?

I've requested my first Skrill withdrawal today, so I'll see how it goes. My account is in USD but it sucks the conversion fee from EUR before transfering to my USD bank accout.

Also, I was having issues withdrawing from PayPal as well this morning. Usually when I get the "Contact customer service" message when trying to withdraw, all I do is call them and then they send me an SMS with a code that I need to validate with them. This happened today but I still wasn't able to withdraw after validating with this code so for the first time a Customer Service representative asked me to wait "4 hours" and then try again. He told me that that was the amount of time their "system" was telling them that I needed to wait. Hopefully I can after these 4 hours.

After reading all of your stories in this thread I've been extremely scared and skeptical so I've been withdrawing almost every other day.

MKT 12-23-2019 12:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Augus (Post 1057014)
In which way are you saying that Skrill is worse than PayPal? I was considering start using it. What is your personal experience with it or why do you say it is worse? (Have you got funds stolen, account limited/banned or something like that?

They did the same thing to me like 5 years ago (took my money and no explanation when I received some affiliate earnings), they could have changed but when I used them they were really really bad.

Wesker 12-23-2019 05:13 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Augus (Post 1057025)
That was my thinking as well, but his post left me wondering. Maybe he had some specific account issue himself?

I've requested my first Skrill withdrawal today, so I'll see how it goes. My account is in USD but it sucks the conversion fee from EUR before transfering to my USD bank accout.

Also, I was having issues withdrawing from PayPal as well this morning. Usually when I get the "Contact customer service" message when trying to withdraw, all I do is call them and then they send me an SMS with a code that I need to validate with them. This happened today but I still wasn't able to withdraw after validating with this code so for the first time a Customer Service representative asked me to wait "4 hours" and then try again. He told me that that was the amount of time their "system" was telling them that I needed to wait. Hopefully I can after these 4 hours.

After reading all of your stories in this thread I've been extremely scared and skeptical so I've been withdrawing almost every other day.

I have a dedicated account manager at Skrill and have ties with people high up at Skrill. Been with them for 14 years since the beginning. If you run into any problems with Skrill, DM me and I'll forward them your issue.

Wesker 12-23-2019 05:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1057019)
QUITE A LONG LIST _________________________
PayPal Acceptable Use Policy
Last Update: 19 July 2018

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You are independently responsible for complying with all applicable laws in all of your actions related to your use of PayPal's services, regardless of the purpose of the use. In addition, you must adhere to the terms of this Acceptable Use Policy.

Prohibited Activities
You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.
relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics
, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, (c) cigarettes, (d) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (e) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods, (f)the promotion of hate, violence, racial or other forms of discriminatory intolerance or the financial exploitation of a crime, (g) items that are considered obscene, (h) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (i) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (j) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (k) certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.
relate to transactions that (a) show the personal information of third parties in violation of applicable law, (b) support pyramid or ponzi schemes, matrix programs, other "get rich quick" schemes or certain multi-level marketing programs, (c) are associated with purchases of annuities or lottery contracts, lay-away systems, off-shore banking or transactions to finance or refinance debts funded by a credit card, (d) are for the sale of certain items before the seller has control or possession of the item, (e) are by payment processors to collect payments on behalf of merchants, (f) are associated with the sale of traveller's cheques or money orders, (h) involve currency exchanges or cheque cashing businesses, (i) involve certain credit repair, debt settlement services, credit transactions or insurance activities, or (j) involve offering or receiving payments for the purpose of bribery or corruption.
involve the sales of products or services identified by government agencies to have a high likelihood of being fraudulent.

Activities Requiring Approval
PayPal requires pre-approval to accept payments for certain services as detailed in the chart below.

Service Requiring Pre-Approval

Contact Information

Airlines and scheduled or non-scheduled charters/jets/air taxi operators; collecting donations as a charity or non-profit organisation; dealing in jewels, precious metals and stones; acting as a money transmitter or selling stored value cards; selling stocks, bonds, securities, options, futures (forex) or an investment interest in any entity or property; or providing escrow services.

Please send contact information, business website URL and a brief business summary to compliance@paypal.com

Providing file sharing services or access to newsgroups; or selling alcoholic beverages, non-cigarette tobacco products, e-cigarettes or prescription drugs/devices.

Please send contact information, business website URL and brief business summary to aup@paypal.com

Activities involving gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, horse or greyhound racing, fantasy sports, lottery tickets, other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill (whether or not legally defined as gambling) and sweepstakes, if the operator and customers are located exclusively in jurisdictions where such activities are permitted by law.

Please send contact information, business website URL and brief business summary to aup@paypal.com


More Information
To learn more about the Acceptable Use Policy, please refer to our Help Center.


Violations of the Acceptable Use Policy
We encourage you to report violations of this Acceptable Use Policy to PayPal immediately. If you have a question about whether a type of transaction may violate the Acceptable Use Policy, you can email PayPal's AUP Compliance Department at: aupviolations@paypal.com.

The AUP is very broad. Half of people who use paypal have probably breached their AUP at one point. PayPal has 300 million users. Are they going to fine damages against 150 million users and take 100% of what is in their PayPal Account? Imagine if a bank in the US did this. They would not only have to repay everyone but pay damages.

Wesker 12-23-2019 05:49 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tinsoldier (Post 1057077)
Given the overwhelming majority are ebay buyers, many who don't sell in any capacity, I'd say the number is less than 0.1%.

Ironically only 25 million are ebay sellers. Less than 10%. I mean as a buyer if you buy 1 item against their AUP, you could essentially have your account closed and be fined. That's where I got the 50% number from. Lets say the number is 10%, not 50%, still that is 30 million accounts PayPal is going to fine eventually?

The entire thing is simply corporate greed. They're exploiting people. It's one thing to do a small fine and hold the funds x period of days to protect themselves but to take 100% of the funds they're destroying peoples livelyhoods all to boost their corporate profits. I generally feel bad for the people who depend on PayPal and now screwed over because of them.

Wesker 12-23-2019 06:03 PM

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Ashley1010 12-23-2019 10:32 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesker (Post 1057076)
The AUP is very broad. Half of people who use paypal have probably breached their AUP at one point. PayPal has 300 million users. Are they going to fine damages against 150 million users and take 100% of what is in their PayPal Account? Imagine if a bank in the US did this. They would not only have to repay everyone but pay damages.

Update: I just had my demand letter sent out- my layer is one of the best in MA- her words when I told her about the $2.5k fine for any item then deem “violates” AUP policy and how what if because I got 10pairs leggings and resold for 2x the price back in 2017 if they could use that against me as “flipping” when it wasn’t; With Lularoe some clothes don’t fit the same and I tried to cost coverage for fees etc. anyway- her response was “So they get to steal all your money because you didn’t read every fine print?!” — what they are doing is illegal- period. If they were to take fines it should have been done immediately if there’s a chargeback or return THEY can cover it since sellers really have NO say. Only 1 chargeback EVER and I won- yet they still credited the customer! Tried to charge me $20 AFTER I won and had to contact them for their “mistake.”

I’m fighting to get my 7.3k back- sold lots of small priced items- spent so much on shipping itself that I’m loosing more like 10k here. I’m fighting- and also can’t figure out why they have it as an “open case.” Does anyone know why that is yet???

Wesker 12-24-2019 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashley1010 (Post 1057122)
and also can’t figure out why they have it as an “open case.” Does anyone know why that is yet???

Same for all of us. Open case but when you click on it goes no where. Maybe they will add details in the future we can click on it or it's just paypal internal open case which is for them to track, not something for us to view.

Ashley1010 12-24-2019 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Wesker (Post 1057132)
Same for all of us. Open case but when you click on it goes no where. Maybe they will add details in the future we can click on it or it's just paypal internal open case which is for them to track, not something for us to view.

In my lawyers opinion she believes it is for tracking, but also them having an “open case” along with their withdrawal of OUR money is so they can either:
A. To cover their ass when people fight back- meaning they can fall back and say they had an open case on it: it wasn’t “closed” and ultimate resolution would be for them to give the money back.
B. If they just withdrew the money without having a case- that is 100% illegal and they could be sued in district court for 3x the amount for “treble” damages.

I’ll be anxious awaiting a response. I never sold through PayPal directly, I received payments from eBay that was funded by PayPal. If it was allowed on eBay (and still is) - so all they are going by is a “description” of my products.
There’s a major issue there. My PayPal was perm. Limited but eBay was not.
These are two separate companies with different policies.

If the response from the demand letter doesn’t come with resolution I am debating going to the media to investigate this. I’ll be joining anyone who is also fighting and will check for others updates daily.

Wesker 12-24-2019 04:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashley1010 (Post 1057134)
If the response from the demand letter doesn’t come with resolution I am debating going to the media to investigate this. I’ll be joining anyone who is also fighting and will check for others updates daily.

I was as well thinking of taking this viral on YouTube spreading the word across a few channels which I am linked to on my end that cover news in volume. Would be interesting news for them that PayPal is no longer considered a safe place for your money and are intentionally draining peoples paypal accounts. Would be bad PR for them and their competition surely would be interesting to hear what PayPal is now doing. Will wait though for now.

Join the discord channel setup. You'll be shocked how many people have been screwed over. Cases ranges from $4k to upwards to $300k and I'm sure only a small percent have actually come forward about this online.


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