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himaster 12-21-2019 09:39 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesker (Post 1056373)
100% sure no negative balances on any accounts ever related to me since doing business with PayPal since 2002. This is 100% an AUP violation limitation and funds removal issue.

The only account I had limited under my name was a business account which I had only been using to pay contractors was limited shortly after the account in my fathers name was limited. I had no sales through that account, no disputes filed on my behalf as I never needed to dispute contractor payouts, funds were in the paypal so I had funds ready and available to pay contractors (we did mass payment).

Now it's PayPals website, they can do what they want and there are plenty of payment options out there to pay sellers which I am actively using and never had issues with but fining me damages personally for an AUP violation which I clearly didn't violate displays how corrupt paypal truly is behind the scenes and why I will eventually pursue this after retaining legal counsel.

What if your personal information is leaked somehow and somewhere. Then someone uses your background information (name, address, SSN, ...) to create another Paypal account to scam/fishing and withdraw all the fund which leads to negative balance afterwards. Many people in this forum are using stealth information and surprisingly your name is on one of their account?

Or you send/receive fund from one of the negative balance accounts that you have no idea of it.

Or you access to your Paypal account using a public IP address, 5 mins later someone uses that IP address too to login to the negative balance account?

You may not know why but I do believe there is something behind it :)

Wesker 12-21-2019 09:39 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by himaster (Post 1056567)
https://i.imgur.com/YLRglS3.png

the newest case that I know

himaster

Really sorry about this. We won't stop fighting until we get our funds back.

Wesker 12-21-2019 09:43 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by himaster (Post 1056577)
What if your personal information is leaked somehow and somewhere. Then someone uses your background information (name, address, SSN, ...) to create another Paypal account to scam/fishing and withdraw all the fund which leads to negative balance afterwards. Many people in this forum are using stealth information and surprisingly your name is on one of their account?

Or you send/receive fund from one of the negative balance accounts that you have no idea of it.

Or you access to your Paypal account using a public IP address, 5 mins later someone uses that IP address too to login to the negative balance account?

You may not know why but I do believe there is something behind it :)

We may never know truly why PayPal is doing this. It's all speculation. All we know is they are doing behind closed doors without anyone else in paypal support team having any information on what's going on. It could very well be 1 person doing this.

Wesker 12-21-2019 09:44 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
This thread should be stickied at the top. It's the most popular thread on this forum right now. People need to know what's going on here and other victims should report their stories here.

james_112233 12-21-2019 09:57 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by himaster (Post 1056577)
What if your personal information is leaked somehow and somewhere. Then someone uses your background information (name, address, SSN, ...) to create another Paypal account to scam/fishing and withdraw all the fund which leads to negative balance afterwards. Many people in this forum are using stealth information and surprisingly your name is on one of their account?

Or you send/receive fund from one of the negative balance accounts that you have no idea of it.

Or you access to your Paypal account using a public IP address, 5 mins later someone uses that IP address too to login to the negative balance account?

You may not know why but I do believe there is something behind it :)

This is where "browser cookies" / Residential IP / Contract phone number or Landline as well legitimate credit cards (not pre-paid), genuine passport will all be beneficial to you. Because the real owner of the account will have all of those things linked to their paypal. And the fraudster looking to steal and damage your identity won't.

vinijchai 12-21-2019 01:03 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesker (Post 1056539)
Was your PayPal perma limited?

Yes, it was permanently limited.

JerryJerry 12-21-2019 01:47 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vinijchai (Post 1056617)
Yes, it was permanently limited.

The same thing happent to me... I withdraw around 5k. Then transferwise shut my account... the funds got returned.. and just today 1.3k left my account "PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation".... Now i have added a new cc to withdraw the payments but the system doesn't show it up yet.. I am screwed..

Will complaining to crc@paypal.com or https://www.cssf.lu/en/ work? any advice?

JerryJerry 12-21-2019 01:47 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
I am getting sickened by PayPal... They do just everything to screw people over..

james_112233 12-21-2019 03:11 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
We can be upset all we want but the truth is many of our businesses would cease to exist without paypal.

vinijchai 12-21-2019 04:01 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryJerry (Post 1056627)
The same thing happent to me... I withdraw around 5k. Then transferwise shut my account... the funds got returned.. and just today 1.3k left my account "PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation".... Now i have added a new cc to withdraw the payments but the system doesn't show it up yet.. I am screwed..

Will complaining to crc@paypal.com or https://www.cssf.lu/en/ work? any advice?

Damn...I transferred to my bank account. Have not had the PayPal damage withdraw yet. Hopefully will never see one.

Wesker 12-21-2019 04:29 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james_112233 (Post 1056646)
We can be upset all we want but the truth is many of our businesses would cease to exist without paypal.

This was definitely the case maybe 2 years ago and it varies from seller to seller. For us, we still operate perfectly fine without PayPal as we have several new payment options that have been good substitutes. Maybe sales drop a little bit without PayPal but sales also increase adding other payment options other than PayPal.

Advancements in blockchain and advancements in cheap bank payments could be rivals to paypal purely on the basis they are cheaper to use (paypal 4.4% + $0.30 international fees are too high now) and people hate fees.

MKT 12-21-2019 04:50 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james_112233 (Post 1056646)
We can be upset all we want but the truth is many of our businesses would cease to exist without paypal.

You are wrong, you can tell your bank about online gateways and they will give you access to it to receive payments internationally. We use PayPal because it's the only "popular" payment gateway that people trust and use and this will be as long as there is no strong and efficient alternative. E.g: Skrill is way worse than PayPal.

Wesker 12-21-2019 05:16 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MKT (Post 1056659)
You are wrong, you can tell your bank about online gateways and they will give you access to it to receive payments internationally. We use PayPal because it's the only "popular" payment gateway that people trust and use and this will be as long as there is no strong and efficient alternative. E.g: Skrill is way worse than PayPal.

He said "some" businesses would cease to exist without PayPal. That is true. Some businesses truly rely on PayPal, especially eBay merchants. It depends on the business.

agent006140 12-21-2019 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesker (Post 1056667)
He said "some" businesses would cease to exist without PayPal. That is true. Some businesses truly rely on PayPal, especially eBay merchants. It depends on the business.

Ebay is phasing out Paypal,someday we will all have to use Ayden.

you may have to ditch your stealth accounts and use grandma and grandpa IDs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesker (Post 1056725)
There are a bunch of Ayden competitors. We're using one of their competitors. Never looked into using Ayden.

I am referring to Ebay,someday Ebay will ask all of us to use AYDEN.
Of course,you can use other payment processors for non Ebay transactions

QUITE A LONG LIST _________________________
PayPal Acceptable Use Policy
Last Update: 19 July 2018

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You are independently responsible for complying with all applicable laws in all of your actions related to your use of PayPal's services, regardless of the purpose of the use. In addition, you must adhere to the terms of this Acceptable Use Policy.

Prohibited Activities
You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.
relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics
, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, (c) cigarettes, (d) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (e) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods, (f)the promotion of hate, violence, racial or other forms of discriminatory intolerance or the financial exploitation of a crime, (g) items that are considered obscene, (h) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (i) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (j) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (k) certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.
relate to transactions that (a) show the personal information of third parties in violation of applicable law, (b) support pyramid or ponzi schemes, matrix programs, other "get rich quick" schemes or certain multi-level marketing programs, (c) are associated with purchases of annuities or lottery contracts, lay-away systems, off-shore banking or transactions to finance or refinance debts funded by a credit card, (d) are for the sale of certain items before the seller has control or possession of the item, (e) are by payment processors to collect payments on behalf of merchants, (f) are associated with the sale of traveller's cheques or money orders, (h) involve currency exchanges or cheque cashing businesses, (i) involve certain credit repair, debt settlement services, credit transactions or insurance activities, or (j) involve offering or receiving payments for the purpose of bribery or corruption.
involve the sales of products or services identified by government agencies to have a high likelihood of being fraudulent.

Activities Requiring Approval
PayPal requires pre-approval to accept payments for certain services as detailed in the chart below.

Service Requiring Pre-Approval

Contact Information

Airlines and scheduled or non-scheduled charters/jets/air taxi operators; collecting donations as a charity or non-profit organisation; dealing in jewels, precious metals and stones; acting as a money transmitter or selling stored value cards; selling stocks, bonds, securities, options, futures (forex) or an investment interest in any entity or property; or providing escrow services.

Please send contact information, business website URL and a brief business summary to compliance@paypal.com

Providing file sharing services or access to newsgroups; or selling alcoholic beverages, non-cigarette tobacco products, e-cigarettes or prescription drugs/devices.

Please send contact information, business website URL and brief business summary to aup@paypal.com

Activities involving gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, horse or greyhound racing, fantasy sports, lottery tickets, other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill (whether or not legally defined as gambling) and sweepstakes, if the operator and customers are located exclusively in jurisdictions where such activities are permitted by law.

Please send contact information, business website URL and brief business summary to aup@paypal.com


More Information
To learn more about the Acceptable Use Policy, please refer to our Help Center.


Violations of the Acceptable Use Policy
We encourage you to report violations of this Acceptable Use Policy to PayPal immediately. If you have a question about whether a type of transaction may violate the Acceptable Use Policy, you can email PayPal's AUP Compliance Department at: aupviolations@paypal.com.

I beg to differ,if you read the terms ,it is mostly narcotic,copyright,trademark violation,sex,lottery,gambling,airline tickets etc.
I would not say 50%,I would put the figure at no more than 20%,do not forget many are repeated offenders.
I blame Ebay ,all that come ye,come all attitudes with free listings,how many individuals have a few thousand items around the house for sale?
Raise the barrier of doing business on Ebay,no more 1,000 free listings and lets see what happens.
Ebay used to charge 10 cents -25 cents per listing,extra picture is not free,if we have to pay to list ,we will be selective of what we want to list.

some prefer to HIDE their money in their paypal accounts!

Read Paypal policy,it will tell you-narcotics,sterioid,cigarette,firearms,copyright,tr ademark,weapons,getrich quick scheme,money order,travellor checks,lottery contracts etc et

why dont you ask FIVERR to help you,if it is a partner with Paypal?

Quote:

Originally Posted by raseiro (Post 1065099)
Military collectibles, nothing that couldnt be sold on ebay. was really careful not to list anything controvertial. its not the point anyway. what they are doing is illegal.

"there is an open dispute associated with this transaction": same BS message as when they closed my account, nothing new.

did you look in resolution and see if there is a dispute open?
firearms,accessories,parts ,ammunition,weapons,knives are violation under applicable law,
what is the item you sold?

Raisero,
you account has a negative balance,which tells me you have a zero balance before Paypal .
They took nothing from you as there is no $$ to take?

what is your PAYPAL balance now?
Is it negative 2804.74?
if it is negative,then you must have no money in your account ,so now it turns negative when Paypal debits 2804.74 .
Did you get an email asking you to bring the account to neutral?
Whatever military collectible you sold may be fine with EbaY but not fine with Paypal.
What exactly is the item and where is the buyer?

sounds like what he sold is not too kosher to Paypal

Paypal is amending its policy,I just got an email from them/
something new about use of Paypal business debit card,micro payments for digital goods etc,and of course AUP .

3200K is 3200,000,thats more than 3 million dollars

For Christ's sake,get your own merchant account to accept credit cards,unless you must sell on venues which have MP or Paypal only!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messy52312 (Post 1067943)
I meet with a Canadian lawyer on Monday. The meeting will take place at her office and hopefully I will be retaining her so that I can open an arbitration case with PayPal.

I had several American lawyers who sent me contracts to pay them and retain them. I declined them all as they want 33 percent of the money plus 6000 usd retainer. All the American lawyers want to sue PayPal too which is not possible and can open up a counter suit against me.

The Canadian lawyer I will probably be retaining understands the arbitration process and will not take 33 percent of my money. Its just 1 retainer fee and thats it.

hard to feel sorry for someone who used Paypal to sell what you sell,yoou should consider the consquences before you start selling

the clause in your "Acceptable Use Policy that states you have a right to seize accounts for damages is buried in a 50,000 word document, is not outlined and therefore it is unreasonable to expect the average consumer to be made aware of this. These account seizures have recently started in late 2019 and at the time that I signed up for my account in 2008 this policy was never made clear and I never received any notice of it in subsequent years. I am not the only person this happened to, there are loads
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BBB would do nothing,you are wasting your time.
Also if you have been a seller since 2008 and making 50-60K a year,you are not the average consumer.
As a retailer,using Paypal to accept 5 figurs payment,it is your job to review PAYPAL policies on regular basis.

hire a lawyer .

Did you review the Paypal AUP list to see if you have violated any?
sounds severe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messy52312 (Post 1072321)
This is probably the most stupidest post I have ever seen. I did not do anything illegal and even if anyone here did do anything illegal. Its not PayPals job to take their money. PayPal should have to sue you for the money or provide proof of damages that occurred. I never asked anyone to feel sorry for for me and based of my posts does it sound like im crying? All im doing is trying to take action against PayPal because if 1 of us succeeds then all of us can. Im sorry that Im spending thousands of dollars on a ****in retainer so people here can later read if im successful or not.

Anyways my lawyer has sent all the information over to PayPal and we are waiting for their response.

I also am posting updates of what Im doing so that people in the future can read this and hopefully it can help them. Think about the people who will be reading this 5-10 years down the line if one of us succeeds.

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I feel sorry for you,you are stupid enough to post and the cry and cry about how you waste your hardearned money and time to fight Paypal.
Should have fit yourself with a better pair of glasses to read the fineprints when you sign up and not after you get into this mess.
NO SYMPATHY FOR YOU,Go to a bar,you may get some if you stil have money to b uy round of drinks

so what is your next step?
Someone once define LITIGATION-you go into a sausage making machine as a pig and come out as a sausage ,I hope you are smart enough to know better.

I already spoke to the game company and they said what I do is not illegal. Although they told me they do not like me.
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what do they care,it is not their money,they told you they dont like you,they can say the moon is made of cheese and it is blue.just remember what I told you about that sausage making machine,

I am not bringing anyone down,we often think we can hide behind a keyboard(lik what I am doing now) and say what we want to say,do what we want to do and think we can get away .
Messy was selling something which violated Paypal policy so he/she got her money taken away by Paypal,she should ask herself/himself before selling -what would happen if this is a violation and what would Paypal do?and how would I feel if my hardearned money is taken away from me.
Not after selling,she/he is reading Paypal policy every week and asking the gambling company,she could have done that before,not after .
good for you,truck driver makes good money,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messy52312 (Post 1070556)
Anyways I have sent my paper work to my lawyer including pictures of each fine and any information associated with my PayPal account. Me and my friend are both sharing the retainer fee and have paid it already. We are considered 1 case since we both are friends in real life and sold the exact same thing so we formed a joint case.

My lawyer thinks PayPal will settle an amount thats returned to me before we have to escalate it any further. However I told her I disagree and would think that we will move to arbitration and I either get a yes or no answer if my money should be returned or not.

PayPal is not the only company who has took peoples money and forced arbitration


A quick google search about amazon sellers being locked out of there accounts with money on them or banned from amazon with a lot of money in there accounts will show you many people who have gone through this arbitration process but with amazon. Majority of these people won or settled before the Arbitration takes place. A lot of these people were selling counterfeit goods on Amazon too.

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dont waste your time reading and re reading its policy,go find a real job,you would need one now

james_112233 12-21-2019 05:42 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1056672)
Ebay is phasing out Paypal,someday we will all have to use Ayden.

A new nightmare for stealthers. At this current time I don't know how we will move on to Adyen using our stealth accounts.

Wesker 12-21-2019 09:42 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1056672)
Ebay is phasing out Paypal,someday we will all have to use Ayden.

There are a bunch of Ayden competitors. We're using one of their competitors. Never looked into using Ayden.

Wesker 12-22-2019 06:44 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tinsoldier (Post 1056753)
You're not going to have much choice on ebay soon.

Search the forum for info, discussed extensively.

Send a link. Don't use ebay, use Amazon but curious.

Kajunrook 12-22-2019 09:49 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Again if you would not leave THOUSANDS of dollars in paypal to be taken, you would not be complaining about their AUP? It would be a "cost of doing business" line item on your Profit and Loss statement. It just kills me to read these issues. I have had numerous paypals banned and after the first 3-4 I whereas I had $1500-2000 in them, I learned my lesson. I sweep them weekly. If one of them gets limited, no big deal $200 is not going to bankrupt me. WHEN will you guys/gals learn?

rsot 12-22-2019 10:04 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kajunrook (Post 1056788)
Again if you would not leave THOUSANDS of dollars in paypal to be taken, you would not be complaining about their AUP? It would be a "cost of doing business" line item on your Profit and Loss statement. It just kills me to read these issues. I have had numerous paypals banned and after the first 3-4 I whereas I had $1500-2000 in them, I learned my lesson. I sweep them weekly. If one of them gets limited, no big deal $200 is not going to bankrupt me. WHEN will you guys/gals learn?

Tough experience but learned...indeed


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